Morality

[justashooter 430]

I still say healthcare should be a basic right, not a privilege.

i still say blowjobs should be a basic right, and not a privelege, but in the end, you get what you pay for.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dr. Cox indeed.

[rebeccajo 14]

You asked why we are hashing out the ins & outs of SSI/SSDI - it's because you said a flip comment that only adds to misconceptions about the program. There is a whole slew of medical issues that can preclude someone from working or taking care of themselves that arent clear cut. They can and sometimes do take years to get through the system.

Wot?

Unbelievable!

"Once you walk a mile in their shoes you will understand and be heard".

you tried, but had nothing.

That's a pity then. I guess then that empathy is defined by you as only the things you have experienced.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

i still say blowjobs should be a basic right, and not a privelege, but in the end, you get what you pay for.

Yeah, your government-sponsored #######-provider will be a shemale. You really do get what you pay for

For blowjobs, I think I'll stick to the private sector.

[Ban Hammer 13,677]

i still say blowjobs should be a basic right, and not a privelege, but in the end, you get what you pay for.

Yeah, your government-sponsored #######-provider will be a shemale. You really do get what you pay for

For blowjobs, I think I'll stick to the private sector.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

You asked why we are hashing out the ins & outs of SSI/SSDI - it's because you said a flip comment that only adds to misconceptions about the program. There is a whole slew of medical issues that can preclude someone from working or taking care of themselves that arent clear cut. They can and sometimes do take years to get through the system.

Wot?

Unbelievable!

"Once you walk a mile in their shoes you will understand and be heard".

you tried, but had nothing.

That's a pity then. I guess then that empathy is defined by you as only the things you have experienced.

wth are you even talking about?

Your attempt to argue about medicaid with me failed. end of story.

[Peikko 1,575]

I would not want Shooter as my Dr though. He appears not to have any empathetic skills and has a wandering moral compass. He also seems to believe suicide by hand gun is not only a reasonable, but the most 'honorable' choice for people facing such circumstances. Perhaps he would have a spare hand gun in his surgery should the need arise?

sorry to be late in responding. i was busy chasing the bunny around the ranch last night.

Dr Shooter has lots of empathy. he cares about you all. he is also practical, and has a living will allowing his wife to pull the plug should he be unable to. he has discussed the issue with her in depth, and she has a similar document. he also firmly believes in his right to pull his own plug.

Dr Shooter watched his mother die a miserable death after a double radical (1976) failed to stop 6 sentinel node responders from propogating a metastinisation of cancer cells in her body. she suffered for 7 long cripled years in the family home and eventually died of pneumonia when Dr Shooter was 19.

Dr Shooter had empathy for her, and wishes that she had not suffered so long. he wishes that his father had handled the situation differently. his father kept her out of treatment, so prolonging her life of misery. Dr Shooter knows enough about morphine from his own personal travails to understand that a morphine overdose is a pleasant way to go, and would have been the ordinary result for his mother's affliction.

Your story, while heart rending of course, has zip all to do with your flip comment about Jim and a revolver. Perhaps you meant to say Jim should take an opium overdose? However, again Jim wasn't in a no win situation, rather a no money one. Can you even see the difference?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But is a morphine overdose the "honorable" way to go?

I mean... its not exactly going to get you a seat at Odin's table in Valhalla is it...

[Peikko 1,575]

Indeed. I find it very curious that someone who seems to thrive on shock horror posts then tries to bring in unrelated real life sympathy stories to explain them away (with the obligatory references to how much sex they are currently having, though why that's needed is anyone's guess). If I didn't know better, I would imagine the poster's account is acessed by two very different personalities. It's striking in its peculiarity.

Edited July 23, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm surprised he offered the route of the gun.

Everyone knows the most honorable way to off yourself is to commit Hara-Kiri!

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh and a by the by, empathy and sympathy are no synonimous. There seems to be a deal of confusion over what empathy means.

[justashooter 430]

But is a morphine overdose the "honorable" way to go?

I mean... its not exactly going to get you a seat at Odin's table in Valhalla is it...

you would be surprised at how many terminal patients get morphine overdoses with the consent of family members. it is an unspoken option in many hospitals. a gun would be faster and cheaper, but most terminals in hospital don't have access to one, and may not have the physical strength to use one. even if they did, whoever brough one in to them would be in ca-ca with the po-po for doing so.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But is a morphine overdose the "honorable" way to go?

I mean... its not exactly going to get you a seat at Odin's table in Valhalla is it...

you would be surprised at how many terminal patients get morphine overdoses with the consent of family members. it is an unspoken option in many hospitals. a gun would be faster and cheaper, but most terminals in hospital don't have access to one, and may not have the physical strength to use one. even if they did, whoever brough one in to them would be in ca-ca with the po-po for doing so.

Do they go with a sword in their hand?

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't think anyone would be surprised by how many terminal cases are foreshortened somewhat by morphine. I don't think there are that many people who would begrudge the extra expense either - such as it would be seeing as cleaning up after a gun suicide is neither emotionally nor financially cheap.

Why you trying to justify a flip comment as if somehow it was a reasonable suggestion? Do you think that in some way suicide by hand gun really is a good solution all around? I took it as a shock jock type comment, I am beginning to wonder just how serious a suggestion it was.

[LaL 418]

You asked why we are hashing out the ins & outs of SSI/SSDI - it's because you said a flip comment that only adds to misconceptions about the program. There is a whole slew of medical issues that can preclude someone from working or taking care of themselves that arent clear cut. They can and sometimes do take years to get through the system.

Wot?

Unbelievable!

"Once you walk a mile in their shoes you will understand and be heard".

you tried, but had nothing.

and Lal, my first comment(the one you say was so flip) was for mediCAID. Then you brought Medicare into the conversation.

What is Medicaid?

Medicaid is a jointly funded, Federal-State health insurance program for low-income and needy people. It covers children, the aged, blind, and/or disabled and other people who are eligible to receive federally assisted income maintenance payments.

Thirty-two states and the District of Columbia provide Medicaid eligibility to people eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI ) benefits. In these States, the SSI application is also the Medicaid application. Medicaid eligibility starts the same months as SSI eligibility.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/disabilityre...wi/medicaid.htm

Then we are talking about two different things. You said specifically "go on disability" when the truth still is, that the first application is often denied and then the appeals process begins. Still not instant. The term instant was the one I found flip because regardless if you get medicaid a month after approval (which they have to wait for), there are many others who simply do not qualify and go on SSDI (there again years).

It's like saying - oh you married a USC - instant greencard!