Morality

[Y's_habibitk 2]

I guess its a good thing that we're in an economic boom, and how noone anywhere (ever) gets laid off.

duh! and everyone makes enough to afford private policies if coverage is not offered at their job(free of charge of course)

I am still confused why you would say one gets medicare instantly if disabled when you even said yourself it can take years.

When one is approved, they get mediCAID. If its an easy case(CLEARLY diabled)..it wont take years. Thousands(if not more) apply for disablity every year that arent truly disabled as Im sure you can imagine. If someone is clearly disabled and cant work..like i imagined our fictitous character will be, it wont take years. The cases that take years are the ones that are questionable, really. why are we talking about the ins and outs of SSI? lol

You don't automatically get medicaid if you are approved for SSI!

yes. you do automatically qualify. If your state doesnt auto add you and order card production and mail it out, then you can go down and apply. either way, you meet instant eligiblity.

oh, my typo..SSD. If you get SSI, you do get instant mediCARE.

Eligibility for what?

In our state there are several different medicaid plans. Most on federal disability only qualify for a medicaid plan that supplements Medicare.

for the regular medicaid or managed care medicaid if its available in your state. The ones on disablity(that paid enough in) get medicare and the supplement if they dont go over on the income limits(QMB or SLMB usually) and the ones that didnt pay enough into SS get medicaid(full regular medicaid). The people who have never worked or didnt work enough usually get more/better coverage through medicaid..which is pretty sad.

[rebeccajo 14]

The people who have never worked or didnt work enough usually get more/better coverage through medicaid..which is pretty sad.

I don't think there's one damn sad thing about it.

Why does 'work' equate with being able to go to the Doctor? Why do Americans think like that?

[Y's_habibitk 2]

The people who have never worked or didnt work enough usually get more/better coverage through medicaid..which is pretty sad.

I don't think there's one damn sad thing about it.

Why does 'work' equate with being able to go to the Doctor? Why do Americans think like that?

it has NOTHING to do with being able to go to the doctor, it has to do with one having to pay 20% copays while another pays nearly nothing. The one that is paying the 20% may not have enough either(remember they arent working either and may just get tad more each month than their never worked/barely worked counterpart)..why do you think there were stories of elderly people not filling perscriptions and taking half pills? I personally think everyone should have healthcare. but thats niether here nor there.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The people who have never worked or didnt work enough usually get more/better coverage through medicaid..which is pretty sad.

I don't think there's one damn sad thing about it.

Why does 'work' equate with being able to go to the Doctor? Why do Americans think like that?

it has NOTHING to do with being able to go to the doctor, it has to do with one having to pay 20% copays while another pays nearly nothing. The one that is paying the 20% may not have enough either(remember they arent working either and may just get tad more each month than their never worked/barely worked counterpart)..why do you think there were stories of elderly people not filling perscriptions and taking half pills? I personally think everyone should have healthcare. but thats niether here nor there.

Symptoms of some diseases take more than one test. What if the guidelines say you get one test? They send you home and your givin some pills.

Deal with it.

[rebeccajo 14]

The people who have never worked or didnt work enough usually get more/better coverage through medicaid..which is pretty sad.

I don't think there's one damn sad thing about it.

Why does 'work' equate with being able to go to the Doctor? Why do Americans think like that?

it has NOTHING to do with being able to go to the doctor, it has to do with one having to pay 20% copays while another pays nearly nothing. The one that is paying the 20% may not have enough either(remember they arent working either and may just get tad more each month than their never worked/barely worked counterpart)..why do you think there were stories of elderly people not filling perscriptions and taking half pills? I personally think everyone should have healthcare. but thats niether here nor there.

"Were" stories? Past tense? Funny, I thought that still goes on. Just the other day a workmate was telling me which pills my husband can stop taking and it "won't affect him much". And she wasn't elderly.

My point is that co-pays, deductibles, out of pocket expenses and the whole ball of wax is connected to work. If it weren't, then it wouldn't matter if you have worked your entire life or not a single day. The inequities come about because we as a society have tied a fundamental need to a having a job. There is no other thing in our society like that! We don't tell people they can't buy a gallon of milk or not heat their house if they have no job. Those necessities are available and affordable. If you have no job in the US - you can't afford to buy healthcare.

[Danno 1,228]

It just goes back to this idea of a society where noone helps anyone else - what kind of national cohesion can you get from such a philosophy? For a country supposedly built on Christian values, this law of the jungle stuff seems rather brutal and bleak.

I don't think anyone can deny we have been off "Those" values for some time now.

But on the bright side there are still enough of those religious folk out there that many, if not most charities to the poor... Food banks, shelters, pregnancy centers, rehab centers are run or mostly staffed by one faith based group or another.

We have also all seen the stats which show Religious people by far contribute more time and money to social causes.. (apart from their house of faith.) Than non believers.

Church groups in this country alone are responsible for medical clinics, schools and training centers by the thousands across third world countries, ... all paid for out of the pockets of average americans.

Now I do understand,

Many non-religious people feel the need to "come together" and collectively fix this problem and often the gravitate to the government for this.

Many others (like me) are used to "coming together" with groups and getting things done.

For us, the Gov is not the Natural centerpoint.

For you, the problem is SO BIG only the Gov can handle it, it me; the Problem is so big the GOVERNMENT BETTER NOT try.

After all who among us would trade the plan we now have for a treatment plan offered by the Veterans Administration Hospital?

Edited July 23, 2009 by Danno

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

It just goes back to this idea of a society where noone helps anyone else - what kind of national cohesion can you get from such a philosophy? For a country supposedly built on Christian values, this law of the jungle stuff seems rather brutal and bleak.

I don't anyone can deny we have been off "Those" values for some time now.

But on the bright side there are still enough of those religious folk out there that many, if not most charities to the poor... Food banks, shelters, pregnancy centers, rehab centers are run or mostly staffed by one faith based group or another.

We have all seen the stats which show Religious people by far contribute more time and money to social causes.. (apart from their house of faith.) Than non believers.

Church groups in this country alone are responsible for medical clinics, schools and training centers by the thousands across third world countries, ... all paid for out of the pockets of average americans.

Many non-religious people feel the need to "come together" and collectively fix this problem and often the gravitate to the government for this.

Many others (like me) are used to "coming together" with groups and getting things done, for us, the Gov is not the Natural centerpoint.

For you, the problem is SO BIG only the Gov can handle it, it me; the Problem is so big the GOVERNMENT BETTER NOT try.

After all who among us would trade the plan we now have for a treatment plan offered by the Veterans Administration Hospital?

Danno, why do you bother? Spike is just a FREE RIDER. He professes to care on the exhale and preaches hate on the inhale. Its his game.

[Danno 1,228]

I'm not any more informed on how this very complicated system we call health care operates than the average person but I do believe the two biggest problems are LAWSUITS and INSURANCE ..."Because" of insurance market forces have been suspended for X number of years.

If our plan covers it, we never even check on the cost. Do you buy anything else like that?

My Daughters got a physical last year and it was over 500 bucks, I bet if I did not have insurance, I would have called around and got it for under $100.

The problem IS this now necessary evil...insurance.

How many of us know people who run to the doctor for any cough or pimple, this "traffic" jacks-up the supply of customers and when Obama care gets rolling and all those millions more people can the same thing.... (Go for any reason at all) it will feed into the rising price.

If we stop and ask this simple question "how did the system get here"... we will realize this current plan is only taking us in the same direction, faster.

As our Nation declines, our liabilities increase and now you want to throw gas on the fire with this Healthcare give-away?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I'm not any more informed on how this very complicated system we call health care operates than the average person but I do believe the two biggest problems are LAWSUITS and INSURANCE ..."Because" of insurance market forces have been suspended for X number of years.

If our plan covers it, we never even check on the cost. Do you buy anything else like that?

My Daughters got a physical last year and it was over 500 bucks, I bet if I did not have insurance, I would have called around and got it for under $100.

The problem IS this now necessary evil...insurance.

How many of us know people who run to the doctor for any cough or pimple, this "traffic" jacks-up the supply of customers and when Obama care gets rolling and all those millions more people can the same thing.... (Go for any reason at all) it will feed into the rising price.

If we stop and ask this simple question "how did the system get here"... we will realize this current plan is only taking us in the same direction, faster.

As our Nation declines, our liabilities increase and now you want to throw gas on the fire with this Healthcare give-away?

In Oregon a lady called an ambulance for a fvckin yeast infection, cuz she didnt want to wait in line. Thats what your govy program will spawn.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

The people who have never worked or didnt work enough usually get more/better coverage through medicaid..which is pretty sad.

I don't think there's one damn sad thing about it.

Why does 'work' equate with being able to go to the Doctor? Why do Americans think like that?

it has NOTHING to do with being able to go to the doctor, it has to do with one having to pay 20% copays while another pays nearly nothing. The one that is paying the 20% may not have enough either(remember they arent working either and may just get tad more each month than their never worked/barely worked counterpart)..why do you think there were stories of elderly people not filling perscriptions and taking half pills? I personally think everyone should have healthcare. but thats niether here nor there.

"Were" stories? Past tense? Funny, I thought that still goes on. Just the other day a workmate was telling me which pills my husband can stop taking and it "won't affect him much". And she wasn't elderly.

My point is that co-pays, deductibles, out of pocket expenses and the whole ball of wax is connected to work. If it weren't, then it wouldn't matter if you have worked your entire life or not a single day. The inequities come about because we as a society have tied a fundamental need to a having a job. There is no other thing in our society like that! We don't tell people they can't buy a gallon of milk or not heat their house if they have no job. Those necessities are available and affordable. If you have no job in the US - you can't afford to buy healthcare.

Medicare part D alleviated most of that issue. Thats why I used past tense.

Some people have to choose between turning the furnace up and being able to afford those copays. I think you missed the part about the ssi recipients getting a check each month, and most qualify for a ton of other assistance. In the end, they end up better off in most cases. They do have income and mostly, not that much less than the medicare recip's who have to come up with the copays.

[LaL 418]

I guess its a good thing that we're in an economic boom, and how noone anywhere (ever) gets laid off.

duh! and everyone makes enough to afford private policies if coverage is not offered at their job(free of charge of course)

I am still confused why you would say one gets medicare instantly if disabled when you even said yourself it can take years.

When one is approved, they get mediCAID. If its an easy case(CLEARLY diabled)..it wont take years. Thousands(if not more) apply for disablity every year that arent truly disabled as Im sure you can imagine. If someone is clearly disabled and cant work..like i imagined our fictitous character will be, it wont take years. The cases that take years are the ones that are questionable, really. why are we talking about the ins and outs of SSI? lol

If you are under the age of 65 (like the OP case) and approved for SSDI with a date of disability of 2/1/07 you are eligible for medicare on 2/1/09. 2 years after date of disability. Unless its one of the listed conditions where you can get insurance. Mostly its not though.

Who can get Medicare?

<h3 class="ninetypercent">Hospital insurance (Part A)</h3>

Before age 65, you are eligible for free Medicare hospital insurance if:

• You have been entitled to Social Security disability benefits for 24 months; or

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10043.html#part3

You asked why we are hashing out the ins & outs of SSI/SSDI - it's because you said a flip comment that only adds to misconceptions about the program. There is a whole slew of medical issues that can preclude someone from working or taking care of themselves that arent clear cut. They can and sometimes do take years to get through the system.

Edited July 23, 2009 by LaL

[rebeccajo 14]

You asked why we are hashing out the ins & outs of SSI/SSDI - it's because you said a flip comment that only adds to misconceptions about the program. There is a whole slew of medical issues that can preclude someone from working or taking care of themselves that arent clear cut. They can and sometimes do take years to get through the system.

Wot?

Unbelievable!

"Once you walk a mile in their shoes you will understand and be heard".

[LaL 418]

Yes, Marc - thats totally it. Because I know a little bit about SSDI that makes me lazy . Do you also suggest that people learning about the immigration system are also lazy since they learn about the system?

Edited July 23, 2009 by LaL

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Still waitin for a answer.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Knock off the personal attacks. They are a violation of TOS and you all know better. Offending posts have been removed.