Morality

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For anyone who says 'no', I'd say they've either alienated themselves from their friends and family, or they've been a loner pretty much all their life.

The small government, libertarian ethos is really a very natural phenomenon of a society in which the family has broken down as it has here in the US.

That these same "people" (I don't think they qualify, they've lost all the qualities that make them human) masquerade as family-values conservatives is laughable.

[KarenCee 3]

Choice A out of the choices given.

I believe health care is a right, not a privilege.

So some stranger's kid will end up in a state college instead of a better private college so Jim may live?

How do you justify that?

State colleges are sometimes better than private ones. And in our country higher education is a privilege not a right. There are grants, loans, scholarships for college.

Health care should be a right, not a privilege.

You tell them sister!!!

I so agree Jen and Len! Amen sistahs!

Whoa..that rhymed...

Choice A....cos one day any one of us might be in the same damn boat as Jim.

There is this article...the first paragraph is here

Dan Callahan has written: "I doggedly believe we will one way or the other have to set limits on health care for the elderly, even if a specific age limit will not do...a good society ought to help young people become old people, but is under no obligation to help the old become indefinitely older."

So who decides...when is it time to die? What age, what condition, what circumstances? Is it when you have outlived your usefulness to society? Is it when you have some horrible debilitating disease that will leave you disabled? Is it at birth when it's determined that you will never contribute to society? So does this mean Jim should just die and get the h3ll outta Dodge?

Just sayin.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It just goes back to this idea of a society where noone helps anyone else - what kind of national cohesion can you get from such a philosophy? For a country supposedly built on Christian values, this law of the jungle stuff seems rather brutal and bleak.

[justashooter 430]

Z.

jim does the honorable thing and takes a 38 in the temple, ending his own suffering and eliminating the burden he puts upon other people.

This isn't Sparta

I'd like to know what he'd really say to someone who is close to him in a situation like this? All sarcasm and kidding aside, I don't know how most people here haven't been personally affected by someone they know who is in dire need of care with no health insurance. For anyone who says 'no', I'd say they've either alienated themselves from their friends and family, or they've been a loner pretty much all their life.

he says that this is how he'd handle the situation if he was in it.

of course, he would first give all of his guns away but one cheap one, so the cops couldn't come into his house and seize all of his fun and valuable stuff "in the interest of public safety and for investigative purposes" and add it to their own personal collections.

[HAL 9000 96]

It just goes back to this idea of a society where noone helps anyone else - what kind of national cohesion can you get from such a philosophy? For a country supposedly built on Christian values, this law of the jungle stuff seems rather brutal and bleak.

Its a flat out exercise in pure hypocrisy.

[Jenn! 918]

Z.

jim does the honorable thing and takes a 38 in the temple, ending his own suffering and eliminating the burden he puts upon other people.

This isn't Sparta

I'd like to know what he'd really say to someone who is close to him in a situation like this? All sarcasm and kidding aside, I don't know how most people here haven't been personally affected by someone they know who is in dire need of care with no health insurance. For anyone who says 'no', I'd say they've either alienated themselves from their friends and family, or they've been a loner pretty much all their life.

Well, I don't think you need to have been personally affected to have empathy for someone in that situation.

I can't say that I have been personally affected, but I would like to think I don't fall into either of those categories!

[Peikko 1,575]

life is a ####### shoot. he rolled snake eyes.

What does that mean?

It means that if you are blessed with good health then you deserve to live a long and prosperous life. Should you be born with any kind of disability, or potential therefore, you either pay even if you have no money or you suffer because of the disability. That's the hand god dealt you

I'd have preferred if you let him explain his own idiom, but now that you've taken the time to type that out.... Charles, is that an accurate assessment? If not, please explain.

He never explains anything, just posts inanities. You are in for a long wait.

this gem from someone who still hasn't answered about where someone's personal space is on the internet

I already answered it, Charlie boy. I actually thought you understood what I posted. Clearly I gave you more credit than was warranted.

Edited July 22, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Peikko 1,575]

Z.

jim does the honorable thing and takes a 38 in the temple, ending his own suffering and eliminating the burden he puts upon other people.

What is 'honorable' about this? Are you Japanese as well? Should have known your choice would involve guns, mess and suffering.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Z.

jim does the honorable thing and takes a 38 in the temple, ending his own suffering and eliminating the burden he puts upon other people.

This isn't Sparta

I'd like to know what he'd really say to someone who is close to him in a situation like this? All sarcasm and kidding aside, I don't know how most people here haven't been personally affected by someone they know who is in dire need of care with no health insurance. For anyone who says 'no', I'd say they've either alienated themselves from their friends and family, or they've been a loner pretty much all their life.

he says that this is how he'd handle the situation if he was in it.

of course, he would first give all of his guns away but one cheap one, so the cops couldn't come into his house and seize all of his fun and valuable stuff "in the interest of public safety and for investigative purposes" and add it to their own personal collections.

What if was your sister's young son? Or your brother's? What would you say to them if they had no health insurance?

[HAL 9000 96]

Z.

jim does the honorable thing and takes a 38 in the temple, ending his own suffering and eliminating the burden he puts upon other people.

This isn't Sparta

I'd like to know what he'd really say to someone who is close to him in a situation like this? All sarcasm and kidding aside, I don't know how most people here haven't been personally affected by someone they know who is in dire need of care with no health insurance. For anyone who says 'no', I'd say they've either alienated themselves from their friends and family, or they've been a loner pretty much all their life.

Well, I don't think you need to have been personally affected to have empathy for someone in that situation.

I can't say that I have been personally affected, but I would like to think I don't fall into either of those categories!

Sadly... for some people empathy is a matter of convenience.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Z.

jim does the honorable thing and takes a 38 in the temple, ending his own suffering and eliminating the burden he puts upon other people.

What is 'honorable' about this? Are you Japanese as well? Should have known your choice would involve guns, mess and suffering.

Justabushido

[justashooter 430]

What if was your sister's young son? Or your brother's? What would you say to them if they had no health insurance?

my 3 sisters, my brother, and i, have 17 children between us. they are from 3 to 25 years in age. they are all insured because we all have jobs and work for a living, including the kids over college age.

somehow my entire family does not have the problem you are talking about. 22 of us, + 5 spouses = 27 people in my immediate family, and nobody uninsured. how the hell did that happen? oh yeah, i said that we all have jobs.

[Peikko 1,575]

What about all those Chinese relatives? Don't they count?

[mawilson 2,133]

I have no problem with a surtax to pay for the $1 trillion health care bill.

I do have a problem when Pelosi says "if more savings from proposed reforms can cover

the cost of the bill and the (surtax) money isn't needed to pay for health care it would be

directed at the nation's budget deficit."

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What if was your sister's young son? Or your brother's? What would you say to them if they had no health insurance?

my 3 sisters, my brother, and i, have 17 children between us. they are from 3 to 25 years in age. they are all insured because we all have jobs and work for a living, including the kids over college age.

somehow my entire family does not have the problem you are talking about. 22 of us, + 5 spouses = 27 people in my immediate family, and nobody uninsured. how the hell did that happen? oh yeah, i said that we all have jobs.

And for those adult children over the age of 19, who are no longer covered by the parent's insurance, what would you say if one of them has a heart defect? All kidding aside. Hypothetically, what would tell them?