How do you feel about strippers?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

go see the gifts I left you pervs in theboobie-n'-booties threads

i'm waiting to see the gifts revealed in this thread - come on canadian women, don't take that insult of hers lying down!

[Krikit 1,164]

Thanks Krikit for the booger image while I am eating my English Muffin Stripper Special

len, you're up. it's the canadian strip off!

Canadians are amateurs, I would not like to embarrass them

It's part of our charm.

Besides. At this time I choose to invoke my EU citizenship.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Thanks Krikit for the booger image while I am eating my English Muffin Stripper Special

len, you're up. it's the canadian strip off!

Canadians are amateurs, I would not like to embarrass them

It's part of our charm.

Besides. At this time I choose to invoke my EU citizenship.

Dang. Besides, she's a mod. I lose. I hate losing.

[trailmix 77]

Still waiting for Poprock's stories.

Edited August 18, 2009 by trailmix

[Sprailenes 47]

I think she'll put a few people politely in their places. I'm still waiting too. COME ON POPROCKS WE'RE WAITING!

[Krikit 1,164]

Perhaps she can tell us some ####### tales.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Perhaps she can tell us some ####### tales.

the things vacations do to people

[thetreble 19]

I think she'll put a few people politely in their places. I'm still waiting too. COME ON POPROCKS WE'RE WAITING!

I'm also waiting! POP ROCKS POP ROCKS POP ROCKS!

[MapleLeafBaby 1]

TA-DAH!!!! lol...I love you guys

Ok, I will warn you now, if you have any hang ups or insecurities, and cannot take in, another individuals perception without feeling threatened....then don't read this...because I will offend you. This is meant for those with a healthy mind and an even healthier soul.

As well, I have used the term 'stripper' loosely in reference to an Exotic Dancer, as most people associate with this term.

Before we begin discussion in the sex industry....let's touch on societies acceptance of such cultures first. Generalizations, stereotyping and racial profiling, are an obvious indication of one's insecurities and internal conflicts. All too often as primitive beasts people generally cope with feeling insufficient in one of two ways...either building themselves up, overly inflating themselves resulting in a temporary and false perception of feeling superior or adequate and a sense of 'reigning over those that have evoked such uncomfortable feelings in themselves' or the second common approach is to attempt and break down those around you that create insecurities in you...by degrading them or trying to make them look less, one starts to feel equal or better to that individual.

The most obvious and common approach in attempting to mask our insecurities is to straight out the gate, loudly shout from mountain tops, 'let me start by saying that I am not threatened by such people' or, I accept this culture, I'm ok with them. Trying to mask by public declarations of acceptance is the most common and obvious for humans dealing with things they are either uncomfortable with, or they are not sure on how it makes them feel. The age old example that has evolving in the past two decades...'i have no problem with black people, I have a friend that's black' even with that very last word spring boarding off of your tongue, which will immediately be met with the sound of crickets...and even as one of societies dimmest individuals, you have to have some clue as to how stupid that sounds...but no, no chance...that's the great thing about these types of folks...as much as you place hope on the dumbest individuals with the most warped sense of reality...they just seem to pull their heads out of their a$$es long enough to bless us with their stupidity and just as quickly ostrich head themselves back into their rectal cave...it's cozy in there...safe, and everything according to them...up in their Poopy Kingdom..reigns true.

I used to be so angered by such glib individuals, and I learned that instead of wasting efforts and time convincing them otherwise...it is far more entertaining to allow them to continuously parade their idiocy...life's to short...what good is it if we can't make fun of the 'socio -intellectually impaired' individuals...that unfortunately make up more than half the population...that's the kicker...in numbers...they rule the world...just be thankful they are too dumb to realize this.

Let's embark on a few stigmas shall we. I mean, if we are to believe that all strippers are 'trash' , then perhaps all middle eastern men beat their wives..all 8 of them. And Hispanics and blacks are the root of all criminal activity, all lawyers are liars, all NBA players cheat on their wives...you get the idea...

The funny thing is that most of these people selectively believe in only some dim theories, but not all....it's usually based on what suites their life and feeds their security....hence the woman who's opinion is that strippers are garbage, druggies and under cover prostitutes...but her take on her Middle Eastern husband is that he is the most sensitive faithful understanding man and comes from a wonderful Country...his family loves her...etc...I will say here, that in no way am I saying any of the above statements are remotely true...again stereo types that some fool came up with one day and people continued it forward.

Ok, I'm sure at this point, you get the idea, for the purpose of enlightening a few who are blessed with knowledge, I will limit my discussion to a 'stripper' as this is the topic of this thread.

For the purpose of explaining I shall generalize based on tons of research I have completed, for a book I am writing....but won't bother you with quoting or footnoting lol...

Generally, women are driven more emotionally and men more logically. Again this is just for purpose of categorization of sexes and analogy and by no way describing the general public. Socially many women feel threatened or inadequate by their spouse partaking in strip club activities, while a husband may find it humorous for his wife and her friends to go see male strippers.

Since the beginning of time a woman's body has been referred to as an art form...esthetically it is far more appealing than their male counterpart.

In some cultures, the sex industry plays a big role in the corporate world and considered an acceptable way of doing business. Here in the US business people network on the green and dabble in conversation on the 9th hole, while some Asian cultures will discuss business transactions while being massaged by a roomful of scantily clad beauties who are more than willing to offer certain services to keep their guests relaxed.

Like it or not, the sex industry is a multi- billion dollar industry every year, that has become more mainstream commercial and socially acceptable in recent years. It is the number one grossing business on the Internet. The role of a stripper has been glorified in everyone wanting to look like, dress like, act like...just turn on your TV....the reality shows, strippercize pole classes...etc. The stripper or as some refer to as an exotic dancer symbolizes the epitome of sexuality and a woman's comfort with her body and sexuality.

A great saying holds true, that '...a woman need not remove her dignity when she removes her clothing'

Even though the stigma exists that EVERY stripper is social trash, provides sexual extras and uses all her money by snorting it up her nose. What people fail to realize, that above exotic entertainers, the professions with alarming statistics on illicit drug use are people in the food preparation industry, such as chefs, lawyers, blue collar workers such as construction workers, and even hair dressers and people in the fashion/beauty industry. Yet because these professions do not evoke an uproar in insecurity, they are commonly over looked.

In this day and age we have become such an over saturated society with the need of constant social stimulation etc....too many options and even more outs....hence the statistics that over half of all 1st marriages will fail...over 75% of second marriages will fail, and as a third marriage, you have a 0-5% chance of success. It's no wonder most if these wives who are not happy internally are gonna cling on and fight tooth and nail to 'ward off those b*tch** but is that the solution? In a babies world, they don't know any better, so you child proof the house. But as an adult, do you child proof your husbands entire world, or do you place comfort and trust in that individual that even without a leash...they will not run away.

Trust begins internally. If you have not achieved solace within yourself, you will constantly place unrealistic expectations in those around you, and spread your misery when, *gasp*, they let you down. Many people in life find love, extremely few in life, find love within themselves....

Ok, now off to the strip club...shall we?!

Yes everything you hear is true!!! These woman all want to f*** your husband!.

Strip Club establishments are undercover brothels, and the second your husband walks through those doors, your Divorce Decree is as good as signed...lol...ok just teasing...and toying with those that have it 'all figured out'.

I will tell you now, I in no way take sides and try to see things from every aspect. Can a man go to a strip club, enjoy drinks with his friends...see some naked women and go home unscathed? He sure can. Can a man walk in to a strip club and find himself in a compromised situation and end up going home having been unfaithful to his wife? of course he can. The thing is, in this world... money talks...in every industry. The stripper owes you nothing, your husband owes you everything. That being said...if you are worried about your husband doing things inappropriate during his visit to the Silicone Jungle....chances are, he has just as high a probability of cheating on you at 3pm in the afternoon while 'at work' as he does at 3am at the club. As a society, why are we the first to condemn an exotic dancer, yet people of public stature somehow submerge from scandal being more respected? There is more sex, drugs and scandal in Politics and Religion than the sex industry. I didn't say there was 'more sex', but scandal. You see, people like Bill Clinton, Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff, Elliot Spitzer, Jimmy Swaggart....the list goes on. These people have our trust and our money. They lead us to believe one thing, only for us to find out we have been deceived...By the President of our Country??? Sex in the White House? But he did his job well. These people go on to become hero's and write books that gross them even more millions. Keep in mind the profession of an exotic dancer is a completely legal profession. Just like any other trade, one must obtain an independent contractors license. A police clearance is completed and in some States a medical. So even Martha Stewart would not qualify to shake her money maker even if she wanted to.

That's the thing, a woman automatically gets no respect in society when she removes her clothing for a living. Yet it is a completely legal industry, regulated by the government. And happens to employ women who are confident enough with themselves, to stand in a room naked. What is naked? Society governs what to wear, how to wear it, and that nakedness is shameful. North America is one of the few societies who creates this stigma. You can go over to Europe and sit on a beach, look around and see nude women and men, everywhere. So now bring it to Western Culture and start getting paid for it, legally mind you, and it becomes despicable. Well only despicable to those who have not evolved intellectually and emotionally.

In every industry there are bad apples, that give the rest a bad name. Yes, the stereo typical, trashy, drug abusing girls do exist. All too often they are innocent girls who get caught up, can't deal with intense emotional part of what the role brings...so they turn to drinking or drugs to 'numb' themselves from how it really makes them feel. In every industry there is dishonest employees who see opportunity for advancement or financial gain. Such as the banker who embezzles funds, or the store clerk who steals products from the shop to bring home for personal use, or the girl who realizes that for a small extra favour, she can make a ton more money. Spineless opportunists with no morals exist everywhere. Everything and everyone has a price. If a man is 'looking' he will 'find'.

There is also different types of Strip Establishments or 'Gentleman's Clubs'. If you're expecting to see girls like Pamela Anderson at a t***y bar that you discover next to a truck stop in a small town...you'd better keep your sunglasses on while inside as it may help intensify the 'love goggle' effect, and after 3 beers everyone will start looking like Carmen Electra and the ##### Cat Dolls...Those are likely establishments where money does not come easy. In the sex industry one thing is true. The pretty girls need not work as hard. And the intellectual one's with a personality even less hard. Believe it or not, most men who frequent these establishments are men seeking companionship and friendship above anything else. There is a joke in the industry that 'strippers' are just naked psychologists. These men pay good money to sit and most times, just talk...seriously.

Of course you have your bachelor parties, where a bunch of guys come in and their friends feel like it's 'last call for *****'...so they try to throw it at the bachelor and get kicks at watching him squirm. There are two types of bachelors, the kind that knows his place and even if he partakes in a dance, he is a true gentleman and goes home to his future wife. The second is the one who will ask every girl in the club for a BJ...but don't be alarmed, as this guy has likely cheated on your *** tons of times before his skanky *** ever hit that joint.

The women that work as strippers have no interest in your man or any man that comes in to that place. They could care less. Most of the girls, 90% already have boyfriends, they see no attraction what so ever in the guys that come into those places...but believe me damn well, they will 'pump your tires' from the minute you get in there. You are the best looking, funniest, most interesting, blah blah blah...until your money runs out...after that...lets just say, the sparkle starts to dull...actually more bluntly put...you're done. If you have no money in a joint like that, word travels fast. You may get approached by one or two girls...but by the second girl...they've already marked you as a 'don't bother' and will tip each other off to not waste their time. They have no interest in keeping in touch, getting personal...telling you their 'real name'...etc...it's a business transaction....she dances, you enjoy...99.9999% of the time....there is no enjoyment in it for her at all.

On the other side of the fence, there are some wonderful, intelligent, girls who happen to strip for a living. There are many girls who are schooling in prestigious colleges, and do not want to graduate with student loans. They dance through their schooling and go on to become very professional, successful women, with great respectable careers. Many of the establishments in the bigger cities are very high end clubs, with 5 Star steakhouses within the club, and these clubs host the 'who's who' of every industry, every weekend. The biggest names in Hollywood, every sports team you can name from the NBA to the NFL, MLB, NHL, famous News Casters, Actors,...you name it...the biggest names. It's the age old 'true indication' of success and riches....men sitting around, amongst a harem of beautiful women. And the best clubs offer discreetness...through the back door with the limo...VIP, and the girls paid by the hour to literally just sit and sip champagne. Almost all of the girls treat it as a business, and they are no fools. They will get your money and pay their bills, invest it, buy homes, properties, cars etc. You are the foolish one if you think these girls are not smart with their money. It's a business. They take care of themselves, show up to work with the latest book they are reading on global warming, lunch packed in a Tupperware....they come, they get ready, put on make up, get dressed....hit the floor and hussle. Five hours later, they are back into a tracksuit, make-up rubbed off, out the back door into her boyfriends car, or her own car that happens to be paid off in cash... and drives home...sober....no drugs. They are mothers, some of them....good mothers, who can afford to spend the entire day with their children, they work when their children sleep, come home, and get up to take them to school etc...

If it makes you feel better to degrade a dancer by saying she takes her clothes off for 'dollar' tips...maybe at that local dive off the highway in a small town not on the map...but in the big cities....these girls are putting most of your salaries to shame...they are in the ranks of your lawyer, your dentist, financial portfolio managers etc...A stripper can make a 6 figure salary, easy, working only 2-3 nights a week. And, they are getting paid to party. I gotta put it to ya straight...I'm sure there are A LOT of people, that if they had the looks and body...and confidence, that they would jump at such an opportunity faster than a fat kid on cake. What other industry and profession can offer such ludicrous money with such little effort? It is the one industry in these tight economic times that has not been affected. If anything, business continues to flourish, as it is proven that people turn to their addictions at times of depression...such as alcohol etc... so money is still rolling...bills always get paid...money is plentiful and easy...way easy....that's what makes the job so enticing and the girls continue to do it. Most of these establishments run a tight ship....and they tolerate no #######...they fire girls who get drunk, do drugs, or if they are caught providing 'extras'. The Club cannot afford to lose their license.

Some women in the industry have made such a career from dancing, print, film etc... that they get paid to feature at a club. They are paid thousands for the week, and if someone wants a lap dance, it can run them $200-$500. These girls tour the Country. Where else and in what profession can someone make $25 in 3 mins? Yes, each song is one dance...songs are played at 3 min intervals...each song that passes, gets charged at $20-$30 a song. And some guys just pay to hang out....each song that passes, costs them or a set hourly rate. At $400/hour only top attorney's in this Country make that much....and not all of it is taxable. Unfortunately with any cash industry, most people try to claim the smallest taxable bracket...it's big...big money. If you have no looks, no personality, if you do drugs and don't take it seriously, then yes, being at an establishment where dollar bills are thrown at you, is where you deserve to be. But most of these woman, got it straight.

If a woman is going to be insecure about her husband going to a strip club, she should be far more concerned with his coworkers at work. It has been proven that when one is seeking to step out of their monogamous relationship, it is usually with people they spend a lot of time with, see frequently, have developed bonds with and have a comfort. Remember, it's not always about the sex. And I have news for women that say 'my husband will not get turned on by some other woman and come home to me'....If you ask most men, it is extremely easy for their imagination to turn them on. A guy could just as easily open a magazine or close his eyes and get rock hard in seconds. So going to a 'strip club' and getting all worked up and then coming home, shouldn't be an issue....seriously...you should have bigger fish to fry...

Women who should worry, are one's who are prude's and a snore in the bedroom...seriously. The type of woman that only engage in one sexual position, with the lights off, only when the mood is right...and the thought or suggestion of any sex toys is unheard of....yeah...you're doomed. And let me guess, your husband says 'no way honey, I don't need all that...I love you...all I want is you....that kind of stuff is for people who need help or are bored of their wives'....yeah, those are the same guys that come to the club....while their wives think they are at a 'business dinner' and they like to partake in any sexual mischief they can get in to...even if it is just talk about sex...and the first thing that always comes out of their mouths....'yeah, my wife is not into that....'....'she's a good mother, and I love her'....'but the sex....is not that good' My husband is proof of this. He tells me of his last relationship that was seemingly functional in every other aspect. She prided herself on the fact that she was respectful and 'classy'...but she was not that adventurous or experimental in the bedroom, and he admits that he was bored of the sex. I'm sure she had no clue

The people that frequent strip clubs...most are twisted, some just like to hang out....Some of the stories you will hear, stuff that people want done to them...unbelievable. And I know that many of you will read this and say 'not my husband' and I will tell you that half of those women....have no clue...trust me. I have met thousands and I mean thousands of men...through research, industry related events etc...and all too often when it comes to a spouse and sex....men want 'a lady in the street' and 'a wh*re behind closed doors'. Now don't get me wrong, this varies in many different ways and levels. But it all boils down to...expeirmentation....sexual comfort...and confidence. If you two are on the same level and comfortable with yourselves, then kudos to you and your relationship. But if one has hang ups or unhealthy perceptions of the opposite sex, that's where it starts.

Some of the best money made at the strip club is not even having to take your clothes off, being paid by the hour to just hang out, because of your personality and conversation. That being said, stripping has also become a sport of sorts, and there are annual strip pole dance competitions all over the world, most of which are won by girls who are not even dancers but gymnasts. It takes great physical stamina to work that pole.

So if your image of the 'strip joint' is a place where dirty girls do dirty things....you first have to look at the dirty men that come to spend dirty money....and the smart girls will very willingly take that money off your hands. If your image is that these b****s who get dollar tips will do dirty things to your husband....you first have to attend a more 'normal' establishment in the bigger city...because if you even attempt to pull out a dollar and toss it at one of those girls, you'll go home with the biggest shiner on the side of your head, in the shape of a nippl*

A stripper may be taking her clothes off...but, keep in mind, she is hanging in the company of doctors and lawyers all day long, and making just as much, if not more than them.

At this point, if you are laughing or enjoying the 'enlightenment'...then you get it...if you are shaking your head in disapproval, then this piece is dedicated to you.

ps. were posts removed? I was looking for a few 'glib' friends who posted on here lol...

pss. I figured i'd start with this...get er wet and then partake in '#######-tail' stories....but I warn ya...they are not for people that still believe in Snow White ))))

I actually just pasted from my blog site...i'll write ya'll dirty gals tmrw...of and boys too...sorry Charles lol....

Edited August 19, 2009 by poprocks

[thetreble 19]

Pop- That was REALLY well put. It took me awhile to read but I laughed. I mean I'm intelligent enough to know that there are high end strip clubs and that woman make a lot of money, and I'm also smart enough to know that many exotic dancers have major, million dollar investments in all kinds of stocks, bonds and company shares.

You still managed to enlighten me though and bring me back to some root concepts. As in, your comment about it being traditional and historical for rich and powerful men to have a harem of beautiful, often naked, woman surrounding them. You are right.

You are also right that if your husband is going to cheat, it's most likely going to be with someone that he knows. Statistically the highest place is at work.

I am probably a little insecure. I don't have the body of a stripper. But, I do think I have enough to offer my husband without having to have the body of a stripper. I also don't think I have the personality to be a ####### behind doors Maybe when I was 18 years old I did, but taking into account that it depends on your situation in life. My husband and I work A LOT because we have to. There aren't many vacations, there isn't much time together period. (American dream?) But I think what I give him is good enough and I think he's happy. I would hope that if he was not, he'd come to me to talk about it and see where we could make improvements, especially if it was in the bedroom. If you aren't "talking", really "talking" to your spouse, and you have to go talk to another woman about your wants and needs, then your marriage is probably rocky and crumbling. I think the idea of "good sex" is different for every one. I don't think you have to be a freak in the bedroom to have a good, healthy sex life. I also don't think all men truly desire that. I'm sure many do, but my husband often works 13 or 14 hour shifts and can't stand straight after wards because his legs are so tired.

I'm probably making this too personal! haha But, I just wanted to say you did a good job saying what you are saying...and I agree with most of what you said.

Also, I'm waiting for the Cocktail stories. haha

Edited August 19, 2009 by thetreble

[trailmix 77]

Yay poprocks! Very interesting read. I don't know that I agree with all of it, but very interesting none-the-less

[Krikit 1,164]

Very well thought out and well written dissertation, Poprocks. Thank you. You briefly touched on the seedy side of the industry and I appreciate that your focus (in this post, at least) is more concentrated towards the stripper-as-the-enlightened-and-successful-businesswoman. Has your research addressed the less desirable part of the industry or are you mainly concentrating on the more upscale aspect?

Let's embark on a few stigmas shall we. I mean, if we are to believe that all strippers are 'trash' , then perhaps all middle eastern men beat their wives..all 8 of them. And Hispanics and blacks are the root of all criminal activity, all lawyers are liars, all NBA players cheat on their wives...you get the idea...

You've been reading in the Off Topic forum, haven't you?

ps. were posts removed? I was looking for a few 'glib' friends who posted on here lol...

Nope. No posts removed.

I actually just pasted from my blog site

May I please get a link to your blog site?

[Chica Yeyé 41]

poprocks, I am very, very impressed. And that does not happen easily. Share the blog!

[MapleLeafBaby 1]

Pop- That was REALLY well put. It took me awhile to read but I laughed. I mean I'm intelligent enough to know that there are high end strip clubs and that woman make a lot of money, and I'm also smart enough to know that many exotic dancers have major, million dollar investments in all kinds of stocks, bonds and company shares.

You still managed to enlighten me though and bring me back to some root concepts. As in, your comment about it being traditional and historical for rich and powerful men to have a harem of beautiful, often naked, woman surrounding them. You are right.

You are also right that if your husband is going to cheat, it's most likely going to be with someone that he knows. Statistically the highest place is at work.

I am probably a little insecure. I don't have the body of a stripper. But, I do think I have enough to offer my husband without having to have the body of a stripper. I also don't think I have the personality to be a ####### behind doors Maybe when I was 18 years old I did, but taking into account that it depends on your situation in life. My husband and I work A LOT because we have to. There aren't many vacations, there isn't much time together period. (American dream?) But I think what I give him is good enough and I think he's happy. I would hope that if he was not, he'd come to me to talk about it and see where we could make improvements, especially if it was in the bedroom. If you aren't "talking", really "talking" to your spouse, and you have to go talk to another woman about your wants and needs, then your marriage is probably rocky and crumbling. I think the idea of "good sex" is different for every one. I don't think you have to be a freak in the bedroom to have a good, healthy sex life. I also don't think all men truly desire that. I'm sure many do, but my husband often works 13 or 14 hour shifts and can't stand straight after wards because his legs are so tired.

I'm probably making this too personal! haha But, I just wanted to say you did a good job saying what you are saying...and I agree with most of what you said.

Also, I'm waiting for the Cocktail stories. haha

I totally agree with you. The key is communication and being on the same page with your spouse 'sexually' And you are right, not everyone wants that crazy sex type of lifestyle. It's only when one spouse is curious or experimental and they do not receive acceptance at home. A lot of times women make their husbands feel dirty or shameful for wanting to try certain things. If you are both happy with what your relationship offers physically then I think that is healthy. And I will tell you, that having a body like a stripper does not bring self esteem....even with the most banging bodies, we all have insecurities. I know I do. For me it's not so much a fear of my spouse cheating but an alienation of his affection. For me, being the only one in his heart is important to me. Insecurities are healthy. And I will tell you this, that has been told to me by many men...they don't view us as we view ourselves...the extra 10lbs...rolls....folds...celullite etc...they are drawn to our confidence. If a guy is with a girl who may have a little extra weight or whatever but be confident, he finds her extremely sexy.

Yay poprocks! Very interesting read. I don't know that I agree with all of it, but very interesting none-the-less

Thanks. I can appreciate everyone has their take on things. Obviously my view on the industry is not everyone's.

Very well thought out and well written dissertation, Poprocks. Thank you. You briefly touched on the seedy side of the industry and I appreciate that your focus (in this post, at least) is more concentrated towards the stripper-as-the-enlightened-and-successful-businesswoman. Has your research addressed the less desirable part of the industry or are you mainly concentrating on the more upscale aspect?

Let's embark on a few stigmas shall we. I mean, if we are to believe that all strippers are 'trash' , then perhaps all middle eastern men beat their wives..all 8 of them. And Hispanics and blacks are the root of all criminal activity, all lawyers are liars, all NBA players cheat on their wives...you get the idea...

You've been reading in the Off Topic forum, haven't you?

ps. were posts removed? I was looking for a few 'glib' friends who posted on here lol...

Nope. No posts removed.

I actually just pasted from my blog site

May I please get a link to your blog site?

I took this approach, to break the stigma's that the industry holds. There is very seedy aspects as well. The thing is, if you are not partaking, then you don't see it. You hear about it and know that it happens but it's just spoken of and never seen.

Thanks Len )))

I'm just cleaning up my blog site and will post a link a little later today )))

Again, keep in mind, my views are not 'the spoken word' just the world through my eyes

Edited August 19, 2009 by poprocks

[thetreble 19]

*cough* ####### tail stories please *cough*