Rethuglican Witch: If we lose “this battle at the ballot box,” we must “resort to the bullet box”

[Pooky 3,786]

You guys can't even call yourselves conservatives anymore. You're Fascists.

save america now, put all the republicans in a concentration camp!

Sounds tempting.

Put all the Democrats in there, too, and it sounds even more tempting. If we're lucky, all we'll be left with are people with common sense, who are willing to work together to find solutions to problems.

Just don't pinch me, or I'll wake up

[Danno 1,228]

Q: Can you be a Rethulican without being a Republican?

Just say, I liked the Idea if being a ** but... not so keen on being a Republican... at least until we know where the party is headed.

[alienlovechild 75]

Let's be fair, ALC. Bush, the Conservative, approved the financial stimulus. You'd have to be living in a cave not to know that those plundered funds went straight to the politically connected wealthy. I'd call that waste, and no more wasteful than Obama's stimulus.

I wasn't happy the bailout and Bush didn't write the Obama budget nor did a single Republican vote for it so get your facts straight, pal.

You Conservatives seem to have your ideology anchored in the ever evolving Fox News channel, as opposed to the sound principles of the Republicans that founded American Republicanism.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The GOP was founded by abolitionists and don't think they've now endorsed slavery.

"Early Republican ideology was reflected in the 1856 slogan free labor, free land, free men. "Free labor" referred to the Republican belief in a mobile middle class that left the workforce and set up small businesses. "Free land" referred to Republican efforts to facilitate this spirit of entrepreneurship by giving away government owned land. The Party hoped that this rapid growth would help check, and eventually end slavery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Pa...(United_States)

What happened to the Republican virtue of peaceful trade with all nations?

Also wrong. Republicans wanted tariffs at times and also voted for wars.

Now it's infinite war and protectionism.

Partially wrong. The GOP and the U.S. has generally endorsed free trade post WWII compared to most countries.

Now it's corporate welfare, subsidies, and government stimuli.

Those aren't not my positions.

You guys can't even call yourselves conservatives anymore. You're Fascists.

I tend to agree with your simple faith in libertarianism and calling me a fascist makes you look like an idiot. If you can't distinguish between individual posters, it is pretty dumb to lump them all together and throw out extremist labels.

[Danno 1,228]

Let's be fair, ALC. Bush, the Conservative, approved the financial stimulus. You'd have to be living in a cave not to know that those plundered funds went straight to the politically connected wealthy. I'd call that waste, and no more wasteful than Obama's stimulus.

I wasn't happy the bailout and Bush didn't write the Obama budget nor did a single Republican vote for it so get your facts straight, pal.

You Conservatives seem to have your ideology anchored in the ever evolving Fox News channel, as opposed to the sound principles of the Republicans that founded American Republicanism.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The GOP was founded by abolitionists and don't think they've now endorsed slavery.

"Early Republican ideology was reflected in the 1856 slogan free labor, free land, free men. "Free labor" referred to the Republican belief in a mobile middle class that left the workforce and set up small businesses. "Free land" referred to Republican efforts to facilitate this spirit of entrepreneurship by giving away government owned land. The Party hoped that this rapid growth would help check, and eventually end slavery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Pa...(United_States)

What happened to the Republican virtue of peaceful trade with all nations?

Also wrong. Republicans wanted tariffs at times and also voted for wars.

Now it's infinite war and protectionism.

Partially wrong. The GOP and the U.S. has generally endorsed free trade post WWII compared to most countries.

Now it's corporate welfare, subsidies, and government stimuli.

Those aren't not my positions.

You guys can't even call yourselves conservatives anymore. You're Fascists.

I tend to agree with your simple faith in libertarianism and calling me a fascist makes you look like an idiot. If you can't distinguish between individual posters, it is pretty dumb to lump them all together and throw out extremist labels.

Awwe MAtt's okay, he is just a typical poster who gets some sense of superiority by acting like he's not

alligned with any party, we have a number of these types floating around here.

Isn't that right AJ

[mRx 16]

Let's be fair, ALC. Bush, the Conservative, approved the financial stimulus. You'd have to be living in a cave not to know that those plundered funds went straight to the politically connected wealthy. I'd call that waste, and no more wasteful than Obama's stimulus.

I wasn't happy the bailout and Bush didn't write the Obama budget nor did a single Republican vote for it so get your facts straight, pal.

But can't you see that all government spending is wasteful? It doesn't matter if it's wasted on objectives that are better provided by a market economy, or if it's wasted on military campaigns that make us less safer.

It's all wasteful. That's the point I was trying to make. The modern Conservative view is that Liberal spending is all waste and pork, but Conservative spending is vital to our freedom.

Surely you can see the hypocrisy.

You Conservatives seem to have your ideology anchored in the ever evolving Fox News channel, as opposed to the sound principles of the Republicans that founded American Republicanism.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The GOP was founded by abolitionists and don't think they've now endorsed slavery.

"Early Republican ideology was reflected in the 1856 slogan free labor, free land, free men. "Free labor" referred to the Republican belief in a mobile middle class that left the workforce and set up small businesses. "Free land" referred to Republican efforts to facilitate this spirit of entrepreneurship by giving away government owned land. The Party hoped that this rapid growth would help check, and eventually end slavery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Pa...(United_States)

You're absolutely right. I will make that concession. However, much of Republican ideology came from individuals who lived before the word "Republican" was coined. George Washington was a strong supporter of the right to bear arms, free enterprise, minimal government, and low deficits. It could be argued that his writings helped lay the foundation for Republican ideology. Since you like Wikipedia:

Washington's farewell address was a primer on republican virtue and a stern warning against partisanship, sectionalism, and involvement in foreign wars.

Link

What happened to the Republican virtue of peaceful trade with all nations?

Also wrong. Republicans wanted tariffs at times

Republicans run on the platform of free trade and reducing/eliminating tariffs. So is that all false advertising? Or do Republican's fall into the logical pitfall of believing that there is distinguishable quality between tariffs?

Now it's corporate welfare, subsidies, and government stimuli.

Those aren't not my positions.

They are the position of your party, so unless you're not a Republican after all, then they're your positions.

The steel tariffs enacted by Bush kept profits up for US steel, while neutering foreign competition. American consumers thus paid higher prices for steel. This is corporate welfare, and it's rampant with Republicans. Lest we forget the infamous Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, proposed by Republicans.

You guys can't even call yourselves conservatives anymore. You're Fascists.

I tend to agree with your simple faith in libertarianism and calling me a fascist makes you look like an idiot. If you can't distinguish between individual posters, it is pretty dumb to lump them all together and throw out extremist labels.

Ok then. The Republican Party is now slipping towards Fascism. Whether or not you align yourself with this Fascist movement is entirely up to you.

The label is not an extremist one. Most of the GOP candidates positions on war, Nationalism, protectionism and strong military power can be paralleled to many (not all) positions held by the German Fascist, Hitler.

So if you're going to be naive enough not to make the parellels yourself, it's up to you. But they're there.

Hell, if the GOP eased the whole warfare/police state thing a bit, you guys might be able to put another sap in the White House.

[mRx 16]

Awwe MAtt's okay, he is just a typical poster who gets some sense of superiority by acting like he's not

alligned with any party, we have a number of these types floating around here.

Isn't that right AJ

I don't consider myself aligned with Fascism or Socialism, if that's what you're asking.

[alienlovechild 75]

But can't you see that all government spending is wasteful? It doesn't matter if it's wasted on objectives that are better provided by a market economy, or if it's wasted on military campaigns that make us less safer.

It's all wasteful. That's the point I was trying to make. The modern Conservative view is that Liberal spending is all waste and pork, but Conservative spending is vital to our freedom.

Government spending is wasteful due the huge amounts involved and spending on things that aren't profitable. Defense spending was always constitutional and never intended to make a profit nor solely to stimulate the economy.

I was in the Army and saw some waste so you're telling me nothing new.

Republicans run on the platform of free trade and reducing/eliminating tariffs. So is that all false advertising?

I was referring to the GOP historically, not just post WWII.

"The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 (P.L. 71-361, sometimes known as the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act; officially the Tariff Act of 1930)[1] was an act signed into law on June 17, 1930, that raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels. The ensuing retaliatory tariffs by U.S. trading partners reduced American exports and imports by more than half and contributed to the severity of the Great Depression."

"When campaigning for president during 1928, one of Herbert Hoover's many campaign promises to help beleaguered farmers had been to increase tariffs of agricultural products. Hoover won, and Republicans obtained comfortable majorities in the House and the Senate during 1928. Hoover then asked Congress for an increase of tariff rates for agricultural goods and a decrease of rates for industrial goods."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley_Tariff_Act

They are the position of your party, so unless you're not a Republican after all, then they're your positions.

I'm more of a conservative than a Republican so again I don't agree all the time with the GOP.

Ok then. The Republican Party is now slipping towards Fascism. Whether or not you align yourself with this Fascist movement is entirely up to you.

Hardly. The idea Bush ripped the Constitution and imposed a corporate police state only exists in your version of the matrix. If you choose to use the most extreme labels, you can't be taken seriously.

The label is not an extremist one. Most of the GOP candidates positions on war, Nationalism, protectionism and strong military power can be paralleled to many (not all) positions held by the German Fascist, Hitler.

Case in point.

The Nazis wanted world domination and the U.S. can't even control its own borders.

The GOP has been more free market than the Dems so I guess the Dems are closer to the Nazis on trade.

The U.S. has the smallest military since 1940 so I see no drive to militarism. The number of people in uniform has dropped so low compared to the population that few actually serve in uniform and without a draft, almost two generations have no collective knowledge of the military compared to say the Vietnam War or WWII.

Edited July 19, 2009 by alienlovechild

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I would say this woman's speech comes awfully close to terrorism as defined by US Code Title 18

§ 2331. Definitions

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As used in this chapter—

(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—

(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended—

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

© occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;

(2) the term “national of the United States” has the meaning given such term in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act;

(3) the term “person” means any individual or entity capable of holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;

(4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—

(A) declared war;

(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or

© armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended—

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

© occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.