Orly Taitz: The Woman Who Leading The Right Wing Nuts Over Obama's Citizenship

[mawilson 2,133]

"Orly Taitz"? Sounds real American - like her ancestors came here on the Mayflower.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This crazy b!tch

It's a matching book end to her calling Obama an "arrogant jerk from Africa and Indonesia." That one is a gem.

So if she's a 'crazy b!tch' for calling him names, what shall we call you for calling her a 'crazy b!tch'?

Let's think about that, shall we?

I would think that given that this woman is behind some sort of lawsuit about the whole birth certificate controversy that such comments aren't exactly in line with what you would expect from a professional attorney.

Calling people names may not be nice, but sometimes it is apt.

Steven isn't putting his professional reputation out there by calling Taitz "a crazy ######", Taitz making blatantly loaded derogatory comments about Obama (and then being behind a lawsuit against him) certainly is.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

"Orly Taitz"? Sounds real American - like her ancestors came here on the Mayflower.

sounds like a name for this dude:

[HAL 9000 96]

HAL 9000 can sell you one.

Do you have astronaut diplomas???? I wantz one thx

HAL 9000 would be delighted to sell you one at a discount.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

HAL 9000 can sell you one.

Do you have astronaut diplomas???? I wantz one thx

HAL 9000 would be delighted to sell you one at a discount.

But does it glow in the dark?

[Amby 490]

I know a cute lil baby named Orly!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I know a cute lil baby named Orly!

that is wrong. baby's mother should be executed.

[Amby 490]

I know a cute lil baby named Orly!

that is wrong. baby's mother should be executed.

they all have odd names in that family

[Ban Hammer 13,366]

This crazy b!tch

It's a matching book end to her calling Obama an "arrogant jerk from Africa and Indonesia." That one is a gem.

So if she's a 'crazy b!tch' for calling him names, what shall we call you for calling her a 'crazy b!tch'?

Let's think about that, shall we?

[HAL 9000 96]

HAL 9000 can sell you one.

Do you have astronaut diplomas???? I wantz one thx

HAL 9000 would be delighted to sell you one at a discount.

But does it glow in the dark?

It can if you wish it enough.

Usually it just glitters.

I know a cute lil baby named Orly!

that is wrong. baby's mother should be executed.

I disagree. Cute name indeed.

Paris-Orly... LOL. Been there.

[Ban Hammer 13,366]

I know a cute lil baby named Orly!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

"Orly Taitz"? Sounds real American

oops - Chuck beat me to it.

Edited July 16, 2009 by Mr. Big Dog

[tmma 467]

Steven (Col Bat Guano)

You really have changed your POV in the past few years, because only in 2006 you posted this thread

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...ic=21027&hl=

hailing Lt Watada a 'real deal hero' for following his conscience by not deploying because he felt his orders were 'unlawful' .....NOW another officer is questioning the validity of his orders [from another CIC] and it's all different-what changed your mind so much?

Watada is a hero.

Historically speaking, merely doing ones duty does not equate to heroism or even patriotism. Following what is right and just in your mind is. Sometimes that's the least popular road to take. Imagine the shock on the faces of all those Nazi officers during the Nuremberg trials when they realized that simply following orders doesn't remove you from being guilty of war crimes.

But nobody is ordering him to commit war crimes. I'm not saying that he doesn't have his reasons for not wanting to deploy to Iraq. I'm just saying that in the context of military service he probably doesn't have much of a chance for aquittal.

BTW...there were plenty of German officers that served in the German army in WW2 and did not commit war crimes.

That's not entirely accurate. Yes, he voluntarily joined the military but that doesn't preclude that whatever orders are given to him from that point on are voluntary. If they were, then the military would simply let him choose his deployment. Let me use those soldiers who tortured the prisoners in Abu Graihb (sp) as an example. Were they following orders or were they acting on their own? If they were merely acting on their own then we have a serious problem when our POW camps are being run by renegade soldiers. Now imagine if this Lieutenent were assigned to one of these prisons. At what point is it justifiable to refuse to follow orders? The whole torture fiasco was mired in whether or not it was technically 'legal' to torture. At some point, a soldier has to follow his own conscience to decide what is right and just.

I'm not sure I entirely agree here. The point is that guy did volunteer (voluntarily giving up his civilian freedoms while he is enlisted) - which as I see it makes it rather different than if we were in a draft situation where everyone is forced to go whether they want to or not.

And we're not really tallking about war crimes here - the guy simply refuses point blank to go. That's quite a bit different to refusing illegal orders.

While he probably has no leg to stand on for the initial charges (refusing to be deployed), I'm a little uneasy about the subsequent charges levelled against him, based on his comments about the war and the president.

I understand that premise. My argument is whether or not a soldier and in this case an officer has a moral obligation to stand up for what he believes is right and just or should he be bound by his contract to follow the orders of his superiors? I realize the military cannot function democratically, but to merely be a tool for the commander in chief for his indiscriminate disposal teeters on imperialism. In any case, this soldier is courageous to sacrifice himself because of what he believes in. That's a hero in my book.

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:rofl:

[HAL 9000 96]

I think there's a difference there tmma... between dereliction of duty via refusal to follow orders that may or may not be legal... and dereliction of the chain of command based on frivolous belief informed largely on a dubious reality.