Armed OC Citizen Shoots Robber in the Act

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not to mention that rather presumes that the majority would descend into lawlessness and brutality were such an event to occur.

this usually takes about 3 days if water supply to a city is shut down. if food supply is shut down it is a given in 2-3 weeks. it has happened all over the world hundreds of times.

people do not gather in circles and sing kumbaya when there is no water or food. they take whatever they see from whoever has it. this is the nature of the beast.

this happened in the superdome in a supposedly safe environment, rape and assault also occured in this "safe environment" out of proportion to the norm for the subject populace. it was an ugly place to be, by all accounts.

Were those stories proven and verified beyond a shadow of a doubt?

You see I was under the impression that only 10 people had died in the Superdome and none (according to the coroner's report) were found to have been murdered and none of the alleged rape stories were verified by the police. Not saying it isn't true - but its very odd that there are no confirmed stories to substantiate the allegations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/0...anekatrina.usa3

Separately its a bunch of ####### moments. Put together - it paints a certain picture of you is all. But certainly it seems to be core and center of your machismo.

Since we were talking earlier about "maladaptive schema" and "de-personalising thoughts" earlier - what would the amateur pyschologist make of all this, I wonder...

years ago i used to tell people about the times i flipped open the lid to my head and took all of the blocks out of it and spread the out on the table. how i examined each one carefully, and threw out the ones that were no good. how then i carefuly installed the valid ones with relation to how they interact, and have since occasionally added a few new blocks to join the known good ones in new ways.

this boy's head has been shrunk so many times there ain't nothing left in it that doesn't work. i'm down to the basics, and living with no remorse or guilt or shame or inhibitions. everything i do i'm willing to own up to. maybe some day you'll get there.

Yeah... that's just more meaningless twaddle isn't it....

[justashooter 430]

As to your perception point, you have more than a little gyroscope trouble. Consider getting that looked at.

It is not often people have much warning before getting shot. Accidental shootings vs. criminal shootings? I think accidental, or temporary rage incidents are far more common than the doomsday, as common as news makes it seem still rare criminal events you seem so sure will occur.

It is possible to defend yourself without a gun shooter. Even from someone with a gun.

actually, i considered avionics training at one point, but settled on turbine engine fuel control systems.

people generally see their attacker before being shot. criminal shootings far outweigh accidental shootings in the USA. you are more likely to be killed in a lawn mower accident than by accidental shooting. you are more likely to drown in the atlantic ocean than to die by accidental shooting, even if your home state is commiefornia. temporary rage? you got me on that one. i'm not up on all the ways people make excuses for choices they make.

i'm trained to defend in hand to hand against someone with a gun pointed at my head. it only works if the idiot is foolish enough to get within 6 feet of me and to stay within my vision. if so, i can sweep the gun out of his hand or at least redirect it so that he shoots the guy behind me when he gets around to pulling the trigger.

his reaction time is just not fast enough to prevent me from redirect if i make a determined and practiced sweep. ideally, i would have his wrist in my hand at the moment he fires and would be turning his palm upward to expose the elbow, which i would then break with an upward blow from my free hand.

this is what we practiced in many variations of presentation and with right or left handed shooter. we used low powered blanks to register the timing. standard blanks would have been too dangerous so close to the head. would it work all the time? not something i want to find out. did it teach us not to let an unarmed opponent get within 10 feet of us without overwhelming numerical superiorty? you bet it did.

[Peikko 1,575]

There are exceptionally few cases of adversity that result in the survivors turning on eath other as a reasonable survival measure. Katrina is not such an example (when one extracts the facts from the fiction) and nor was 9/11. There are countless cases where natural disaster has produced a communal struggle for survival, not this macho man king of the jungle scenario. Even in war type scenarios, gun ownership by civillians is no guarentee of nor is it the only means for survival. These are fantasies that you gung ho latter day John Wayne types are trying to live out - and once again point to a poor choice of tool to faciliate control of a threatening situation.

[mawilson 2,133]

There are exceptionally few cases of adversity that result in the survivors turning on eath other as a reasonable survival measure. Katrina is not such an example (when one extracts the facts from the fiction) and nor was 9/11. There are countless cases where natural disaster has produced a communal struggle for survival, not this macho man king of the jungle scenario. Even in war type scenarios, gun ownership by civillians is no guarentee of nor is it the only means for survival. These are fantasies that you gung ho latter day John Wayne types are trying to live out - and once again point to a poor choice of tool to faciliate control of a threatening situation.

You just keep telling yourself that.

[Peikko 1,575]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

Edited July 17, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[mawilson 2,133]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

Just target practice, no special training. Westside Rifle & Pistol Range.

[justashooter 430]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

most of the real shooters i know in the military came in able to shoot. few really good ones came in green. in most companies there are half a dozen really good shooters, and a bunch of cannon fodder.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

most of the real shooters i know in the military came in able to shoot. few really good ones came in green. in most companies there are half a dozen really good shooters, and a bunch of cannon fodder.

I have never owned a gun. Never wanted one, except for my great grandfathers' WWI dough boy rifle.

I have shot guns. Not a lot of fun to me, but pretty much hit what I aimed at with a variety of weapons.

I do not fear that the fabric of society will rend to the point where I need a gun, but if so, I will look for a pair of shooters who have offed each other in a mutual attempt at survival and thus be armed myself.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

Not to mention that rather presumes that the majority would descend into lawlessness and brutality were such an event to occur.

this usually takes about 3 days if water supply to a city is shut down. if food supply is shut down it is a given in 2-3 weeks. it has happened all over the world hundreds of times.

people do not gather in circles and sing kumbaya when there is no water or food. they take whatever they see from whoever has it. this is the nature of the beast.

this happened in the superdome in a supposedly safe environment, rape and assault also occured in this "safe environment" out of proportion to the norm for the subject populace. it was an ugly place to be, by all accounts.

qft. the only thing you left out is the left wingers whining about the government not helping them.

[Peikko 1,575]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

Just target practice, no special training. Westside Rifle & Pistol Range.

why of course, shooting at targets in a no pressure situation is exactly like shooting people in order to get their water/food etc. No special training required.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

Just target practice, no special training. Westside Rifle & Pistol Range.

why of course, shooting at targets in a no pressure situation is exactly like shooting people in order to get their water/food etc. No special training required.

sure beats never firing one, at least the target shooter knows which end of the gun is which.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

What's so terrible about someone liking to shoot and learning firearm safety?

[mawilson 2,133]

why of course, shooting at targets in a no pressure situation is exactly like shooting people in order to get their water/food etc. No special training required.

I hate people - will have no problem shooting them.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

What's so terrible about someone liking to shoot and learning firearm safety?

Nothing wrong with that.

Something very wrong with believing you have to have a firearm to be ready for Armageddon, or in hopes at the possibility of shooting a 'bad guy' at all times though. And those who show so much instability the fixate on these unlikely scenarios are the last to deserve to be trusted with a firearm.

[Danno 1,228]

Indeed I will, why? Because it's the rational response.

You didn't tell me yet what training you regularly undertake in order to make the theoretical advantage of gun ownership in a disaster type scenario a reality. Perhaps you think that's frivolous and unecessary? I am sure the armed forces of this world will be cheered to learn that their expensive training camps can be dispensed with as being able to shoot one's way through a dog eat dog situation is not only instinctive but easy

most of the real shooters i know in the military came in able to shoot. few really good ones came in green. in most companies there are half a dozen really good shooters, and a bunch of cannon fodder.

I have never owned a gun. Never wanted one, except for my great grandfathers' WWI dough boy rifle.

I have shot guns. Not a lot of fun to me, but pretty much hit what I aimed at with a variety of weapons.

I do not fear that the fabric of society will rend to the point where I need a gun, but if so, I will look for a pair of shooters who have offed each other in a mutual attempt at survival and thus be armed myself.

This silly post recalled another moment in history.

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