Armed OC Citizen Shoots Robber in the Act

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well never say never.

Of course what seems prudent to one person can seem paranoic to another.

[Peikko 1,575]

Hang on, what % of people resorted to violence during these disasters? During 9/11 I would say it was pretty limited to none. In Katrina it was low key. Added to the fact that the response to looting etc wasn't a mad scramble to shoot the looters and loot their loot. The best strategy was therefore not to engage in the violence to ensure survival but to work together which is largely what happens with very few if any of the 'good guy' civilians toting guns to make this happen.

So, really those examples are not good ones to show the advantage to be had by having a gun in these types of situations.

[mawilson 2,133]

In Katrina it was low key.

Low key? Are you for real?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There was some violence that was reported in the news, but I think the consensus in the aftermath of the disaster was that the broadcast media did its usual job of exaggerating and that many stories were reported as rumors based on hear say.

I understand hysteria in a disaster zone, but the media should be above it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I don't think that an armed store clerk is going to cause robbers to bring it up a notch in terms of firepower unless it is really worth the risk for them. A lot of stores now have time lock safes, making it impossible for the clerk to open it in a hold up. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of medicine. Security cameras, clerks counters with glass shields are all worthwhile preventative measures to deter anyone from robbing the store. A gun is probably the least effective measure and it invites liability should an innocent bystander get accidentally shot in the line of fire. If I were the owner of a food market where I've got potentially, dozens of customers going in and out of my store at any given moment, the last thing I'd want my clerks to have access to is a gun. If my store was in a high crime area, then I'd hire an armed security guard - someone who would be trained in using a firearm, not a grocery clerk.

Edited July 17, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

In Katrina it was low key.

Low key? Are you for real?

apparently she's not well read.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Guess we can't all be gun toting wacko's who believe our streets teem with those dying to be shot, and Russian and Chinese soldiers...

if someone points a gun at you after you've already given them your wallet and your watch, what will you do? if someone kills your child in front of you after they rape your wife at gunpoint what will you do? you will probably beg for mercy. you will probably be shot and die.

a handgun is not that big of a threat. 80-90% of people shot with handguns survive the experience if they get rapid medical response. people shot with a handgun do not just fall down and die like on TV. most have no immediate disability if shot with anything less than a 45. the FBI uniform crime statistics indicate that people who resist an attacker have a higher survival rate than people who submit do. they also have a lower injury rate. fighting back could save your life.

ridiculing someone who encourages others to fight back is just another way to victimise innocent people by discouraging them from taking control of their own destiny. does it feel good to victimise people? if it does, send me a PM and i'll recommend a good shrink.

I don't spend my life worrying about the goofy worst case scenarios you apparently obsess over. Therapy is in order for you if you worry as constantly as you appear to about 'needing' your gun shooter.

Admit you own a gun, solely for the hope that one day you might get to shoot someone and get away with it.

Considering legal gun ownership is the law, and many folks carry guns legally, not sure how you explain the paranoid world you live in which requires you to carry a weapon.

I would defend myself as best I could, and am positive a gun would not be difference between life and death.

The reality is, a gun nut such as yourself is as likely to shoot me on accident, or in an idiot rage, as a rapist robber thug murdering my child, raping my wife and shooting me after I hand over my wallet...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Believe it or not that's not far from the truth - at least from what's said in the past (about machine gunning mexicans from a border watchtower).

[justashooter 430]

I don't spend my life worrying about the goofy worst case scenarios you apparently obsess over. Therapy is in order for you if you worry as constantly as you appear to about 'needing' your gun shooter.

1.) Admit you own a gun, solely for the hope that one day you might get to shoot someone and get away with it.

2.) Considering legal gun ownership is the law, and many folks carry guns legally, not sure how you explain the paranoid world you live in which requires you to carry a weapon.

3.) I would defend myself as best I could, and am positive a gun would not be difference between life and death.

4.) The reality is, a gun nut such as yourself is as likely to shoot me on accident, or in an idiot rage, as a rapist robber thug murdering my child, raping my wife and shooting me after I hand over my wallet...

what planet are you on?

1.) i have many, and for many reasons. i hope i do not to have to shoot another person for the rest of my life. it is a difficult thing to do, even for the right reasons.

2.) what does this mean? this makes no sense at all. is english your first language?

3.) ROTFLMAO

4.) projection is a feature of the undeveloped mind. projecting your realities upon people around you rarely gives you an accurate assesment of who they are and how they would act in any given scenario, but it sure does tell you how you would act. remind me never to be found in the same count or city as you.

[justashooter 430]

Believe it or not that's not far from the truth - at least from what's said in the past (about machine gunning mexicans from a border watchtower).

well here's some from your watchtower:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533086,00.html?mrp

5 Police Officers Shot, 2 Suspects Killed in Gun Battle in New Jersey

Thursday, July 16, 2009

"Five police officers were shot and two suspects killed in an early-morning shootout Thursday in New Jersey, according to Jersey City Police Chief Thomas J. Comey.

The primary suspect was carrying an automatic weapon, said Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy.

The shootout happened during an active investigation of a "major crime" the suspects were believed to be involved in, Comey said. He declined to say what that crime was.

"These individuals were being sought by our department for a major crime," he told reporters Thursday. "This individual (and his accomplice) came ready to go to war with us."

One of the officers was in critical condition after having been shot in the face and almost losing his life, and another was seriously injured with gun wounds to the chest and neck, Healy said. The others' injuries weren't life-threatening.

Three more who weren't shot were also hurt in the gun battle. The wounded officers were taken to Jersey City Medical Center.

The area of the shooting is known for heavy drug activity, FOX 5 reported.

A car that may have been involved in the shootout was loaded onto a flatbed tow truck about 9 a.m. Thursday."

and now, for the facts:

there was no "automatic weapon" involved.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31942069/ns/us...rime_and_courts

"The man pulled out a pump-action shotgun and fired at the marked police car, blowing out the windshield, and a bullet grazed the leg of one of the officers.

and, the MSM has completely shut down the suspect's name, which is Hassan A. Shakur.

He is now just "the suspect", and the fact that he was Nation of Islam is not to be mentioned.

[justashooter 430]

Not to mention that rather presumes that the majority would descend into lawlessness and brutality were such an event to occur.

this usually takes about 3 days if water supply to a city is shut down. if food supply is shut down it is a given in 2-3 weeks. it has happened all over the world hundreds of times.

people do not gather in circles and sing kumbaya when there is no water or food. they take whatever they see from whoever has it. this is the nature of the beast.

this happened in the superdome in a supposedly safe environment, rape and assault also occured in this "safe environment" out of proportion to the norm for the subject populace. it was an ugly place to be, by all accounts.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I don't spend my life worrying about the goofy worst case scenarios you apparently obsess over. Therapy is in order for you if you worry as constantly as you appear to about 'needing' your gun shooter.

1.) Admit you own a gun, solely for the hope that one day you might get to shoot someone and get away with it.

2.) Considering legal gun ownership is the law, and many folks carry guns legally, not sure how you explain the paranoid world you live in which requires you to carry a weapon.

3.) I would defend myself as best I could, and am positive a gun would not be difference between life and death.

4.) The reality is, a gun nut such as yourself is as likely to shoot me on accident, or in an idiot rage, as a rapist robber thug murdering my child, raping my wife and shooting me after I hand over my wallet...

what planet are you on? The planet earth. United States of America. In over 42 years I have NEVER been in a situation requiring defense by firearm, and consider the possibility of such an event occurring in the future rather unlikely.

1.) i have many, and for many reasons. i hope i do not to have to shoot another person for the rest of my life. it is a difficult thing to do, even for the right reasons.

You have shot many people? As a soldier? If so, good for you. As an ordinary citizen, the need/usefulness factor of having a gun is practically nil.

2.) what does this mean? this makes no sense at all. is english your first language?

Gun ownership, and carrying concealed firearms is legal in the good old USA. You assert simultaneously that the USA is so dangerous only carrying a weapon can be considered anything less than foolish. Go out unarmed and you are a sissy target for thugs and rapist bandits living in a fools paradise.

Yet you also claim that the USA is so dangerous you need a weapon, which your first assertion claims lessons crime because criminals will be scared thier victims would shoot them.

Can't be both ways, except in a broke mind. Either citizens possessing weapons lessons crime, or it does not. The paranoid world you seem to insist upon say's citizens possessing weapons does not, and the world is too dangerous to go without.

3.) ROTFLMAO

Laugh it up, having a gun, and the opportunity to successfully use it in any type of scenario you have laid out is pretty far fetched. Sorry, you are not Clint Eastwood.

4.) projection is a feature of the undeveloped mind. projecting your realities upon people around you rarely gives you an accurate assesment of who they are and how they would act in any given scenario, but it sure does tell you how you would act. remind me never to be found in the same count or city as you.

As to your perception point, you have more than a little gyroscope trouble. Consider getting that looked at.

It is not often people have much warning before getting shot. Accidental shootings vs. criminal shootings? I think accidental, or temporary rage incidents are far more common than the doomsday, as common as news makes it seem still rare criminal events you seem so sure will occur.

It is possible to defend yourself without a gun shooter. Even from someone with a gun.

Edited July 17, 2009 by ready4ONE

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Believe it or not that's not far from the truth - at least from what's said in the past (about machine gunning mexicans from a border watchtower).

well here's some from your watchtower:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533086,00.html?mrp

5 Police Officers Shot, 2 Suspects Killed in Gun Battle in New Jersey

Thursday, July 16, 2009

"Five police officers were shot and two suspects killed in an early-morning shootout Thursday in New Jersey, according to Jersey City Police Chief Thomas J. Comey.

The primary suspect was carrying an automatic weapon, said Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy.

The shootout happened during an active investigation of a "major crime" the suspects were believed to be involved in, Comey said. He declined to say what that crime was.

"These individuals were being sought by our department for a major crime," he told reporters Thursday. "This individual (and his accomplice) came ready to go to war with us."

One of the officers was in critical condition after having been shot in the face and almost losing his life, and another was seriously injured with gun wounds to the chest and neck, Healy said. The others' injuries weren't life-threatening.

Three more who weren't shot were also hurt in the gun battle. The wounded officers were taken to Jersey City Medical Center.

The area of the shooting is known for heavy drug activity, FOX 5 reported.

A car that may have been involved in the shootout was loaded onto a flatbed tow truck about 9 a.m. Thursday."

and now, for the facts:

there was no "automatic weapon" involved.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31942069/ns/us...rime_and_courts

"The man pulled out a pump-action shotgun and fired at the marked police car, blowing out the windshield, and a bullet grazed the leg of one of the officers.

and, the MSM has completely shut down the suspect's name, which is Hassan A. Shakur.

He is now just "the suspect", and the fact that he was Nation of Islam is not to be mentioned.

Oh dear - where to begin.

Firstly - what is this story supposed to prove? That gun crime is a reality in certain parts of NJ? Who knew.. (Oh, that's right - I did).

I must say though that I do particularly like how allegedly wrong /inaccurate details in the story must be indicative of some devious attempt to conceal to the truth - with no more rationale than that the perp was minority and that this would be somehow outrageous to report.

In point of fact the Fox News story paraphrases the mayors quote - the MSNBC story actually includes the actual phraseology that was used:

The primary suspect was carrying "some kind of automatic shotgun," said Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy.

Here's a more simple explanation:

1) the incident took place yesterday (thursday 16th).

2) At the time those stories you posted were written - no names were released.

3) Today (July 17th) - the names were confirmed.

If there's a point here - I'm afraid I'm missing it.

Edited July 17, 2009 by Private Pike

[mawilson 2,133]

Not to mention that rather presumes that the majority would descend into lawlessness and brutality were such an event to occur.

this usually takes about 3 days if water supply to a city is shut down. if food supply is shut down it is a given in 2-3 weeks. it has happened all over the world hundreds of times.

people do not gather in circles and sing kumbaya when there is no water or food. they take whatever they see from whoever has it. this is the nature of the beast.

this happened in the superdome in a supposedly safe environment, rape and assault also occured in this "safe environment" out of proportion to the norm for the subject populace. it was an ugly place to be, by all accounts.

[justashooter 430]

Separately its a bunch of ####### moments. Put together - it paints a certain picture of you is all. But certainly it seems to be core and center of your machismo.

Since we were talking earlier about "maladaptive schema" and "de-personalising thoughts" earlier - what would the amateur pyschologist make of all this, I wonder...

years ago i used to tell people about the times i flipped open the lid to my head and took all of the blocks out of it and spread the out on the table. how i examined each one carefully, and threw out the ones that were no good. how then i carefuly installed the valid ones with relation to how they interact, and have since occasionally added a few new blocks to join the known good ones in new ways.

this boy's head has been shrunk so many times there ain't nothing left in it that doesn't work. i'm down to the basics, and living with no remorse or guilt or shame or inhibitions. everything i do i'm willing to own up to. maybe some day you'll get there.