Everything You Love, You Owe To Capitalism

[mRx 16]

Pretty much anyone who blindly brushes blame across the imperfect market for actions of individuals.

I don't think you fall quite into the anti-capitalist crowd Steven. I can still change you yet, brother.

The "imperfect market" is just that, due to the "actions of individuals" and will always be a slave to the greed of said individuals. And "imperfect market" would be a grotesque under response to the current crisis of our much vaunted capitalist system.

Individual greed is both the positive driving force, and the bane of the capitalist system.

If all of that makes me sound anti-capitalist, I am not, but don't sugar coat the massive fleecing of the wealth of the entire world which we have so recently experienced. There needs to be an understanding of the artificiality of our economic system. Smoke and mirrors hardly begins to describe it.

I wouldn't call you an anti-capitalist--you're more a victim of MSNBC.

Greed is not quantifiable in any logical deduction. I'll prove.

Greed is, by definition: excessive desire for wealth.

What is excessive?

You see? The very core of the word is up to interpretation. Excessive to you is different from excessive to me.

The only truth is this:

Consumers want the lowest possible price for goods, and producers want the highest possible price. If producers charge too much, nobody will buy--If consumers bid too low, no producer will fulfill their demand. This direct competition creates the beautiful market.

I've written quite a bit about what caused this recession; And it's not from the MSM trough that you've unfortunately been victim of.

I think you fail to understand that there are huge flaws in thinking capitalism is so perfectly clean that supply and demand, goods priced at what the market will bear, etc. will lead to a perfect capitalist paradise.

Greed, the same gremlin that tears at the heart of Communism, Socialism, and all the other -ism's including Capitalism may be hard to define, but the results speak for themselves.

You don't have billions of equal 'producers' selling to billions of equal 'consumers.'

Sigh.

I never said capitalism was perfect.

Nice try though.

So greed killed Communism and Socialism? Not governmental stranglehold? The Statist Führerism was so perfectly clean?

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is this the same guy who wrote that article about the environment earlier today?

He certainly seems to like his hyperbole.

A bit extreme, eh?

So it should be simple to logically refute, as it contains no ambiguity whatsoever.

The simple insults are intellectually vacuous-- I expect more from you.

Well Matt, I expect more from you too - you obviously like hyperbole.

[NickD 202]

The form of socialism going on in Venezuela now is taking away from the people that worked their a$$es off and giving it to the lazy slobs of that country. How can anyone be for that form of government, sh!t, why work and you can legally steal from others! For capitalism to work, we need a level playing field with equal opportunity for all, the downfall of capitalism is like the turn of the last century when just a handful of guys owned the entire country. That returned with Reagan by repealing anti-trust and monopoly laws, if it wasnt' for Regan, there would be no Bill Gates.

Happened to a good friend of mine owned and ran a small trucking family ran business, with 50 trucks, the big guys came in and cut rates and drove him out of business, and when he and others were history, they skyrocketed the rates. Have you checked on truck shipping rates lately? We are getting screwed along with buying untested products from Microsoft. This is not a level playing field. Then you find you don't have a job anymore because of a hostile takeover, this isn't also a level playing field. Also with corporate farms using their power to reduce property taxes where the family farmer can no longer make it and driven out of business. This is the fvcking country we have to learn how to survive in with the latest bunch of a$$holes running this country. The Clinton brings in China that causes the loss of millions of jobs and Bush makes it worse.

And we wonder why we are the way we are today.

In early Christian life, communities were form where some where just feeding off the hard work of others, really go along with St. Paul on this, no work, no food. We are paying over $12,000 per year on health insurance and a bundle in property taxes, with this deducted off our paychecks, puts us barely above the poverty level. So why are we doing this when others are getting these same benefits for free, below that level? That is socialism, but if we were all do to that, this country would fall apart in an instant. Somebody has to work, but are really getting penalized by our current socialistic system. Yes, we have socialism in this country plus a very unequal playing field to deal with. The worse of the two systems.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There's plenty of space - comfortable space - between two extremes.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's plenty of space - comfortable space - between two extremes.

Indeed.