Unbelievable!

[Thomas-n-Elena 0]

Yo! I brought this one for brother Brad

You should be careful switching gears like that you can wreck your transmission!!!!

[Brad and Vika 129]

Yo! I brought this one for brother Brad

Thanks Sis

Edited August 5, 2009 by Brad and Vika

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Just reporting that I am evil, arrogant and mean spirited.

which is why y'all luvz me

Hey -- my new neighbor is from Ukraine and she tries real hard to speak English, me thinks she is lonley so a couple of phrases for gooooood morningggggg would be nice. Pie will be involved.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Just reporting that I am evil, arrogant and mean spirited.

which is why y'all luvz me

Hey -- my new neighbor is from Ukraine and she tries real hard to speak English, me thinks she is lonley so a couple of phrases for gooooood morningggggg would be nice. Pie will be involved.

dobre utroh = good morning

zdrastviotye = hello (if you don't know her well)

kak di la segodnya = how are you today?

Get you started?

[Nasturtium 500]

I don't know... I think it may have worked as long as it was in beginning and ending frame-style. I just thought that the end of the third movie was weirdly chopped up in order to try to get those events in... and I was not sure why they made Arwen "mortal" as I thought it sort of cheapened the whole immortal-girl-dies-from-love thing that actually happens in the story. I actually thought that was a very powerful notion that after Aragorn dies, she goes to Galadriel's forest and lays down where the elves used to be and waits there until she dies-- and that THAT is how love kills and elf, not by some magical mortal transformation, but rather the intensity of feeling so that the elf would rather commit suicide that live without their chosen human (even though her children were still alive... it;s the notion of a singular devotion and the utter loneliness of a world she doesn't really belong to anymore). Obviously though, I am partial to that element and therefore biased completely.

I completely agree that it probably should have been more movies... and honestly, I think if they understood how well the 3 would do they may have done it. I think it would have worked and I think people would have been perfectly willing to sit through 6 movies. Obviously, it is cost-prohibitive, although I think it could have been very well made up.

I honestly didn't mind most of the changes because they were well-edited. As you said, the strengthening of the love story worked well (especially in absence of using the appendix), and I think you could basically skip certain people that they did skip (as well as events) and still come across with an urgency and meaning to scenes and the basic story line.

I don't know how much Tolkien would have minded the edits in the overall sense... He may have minded very much, but then again he did state that one of the primary purposes of his literature (and stories) was escape from the world we live in now and a reaction to the major industrialization and depression he saw/felt was destroying aspects of society/myth/human condition/imagination. In that sense, I think the LOTR movies did very well at keeping true to his intent.

Adapting literature to screen can be problematic and I think how it is done is very interesting in itself, especially cross-culturally. We usually work on creating a complete sense of realism. I know in contrast, you watch something like "Hero" and you notice that you can actually narrate the story as it appears on screen and it is almost literal to written description of the fantastic. An example being those exaggerated leaps across the water and the air-fighting, with the swords scraping the surface. I can see that as a written page and it isn't "off" at all-- it would be something akin to "The Hero and his enemy continues to fight their hardest, appearing to float over the water and moving so fast they flew through the air only barest of times touching the surface of the waters with their swords as they fought," or something similar to that. Written, it's not so fantastic, but literally placed on screen it becomes what we consider totally unbelievable. It's easier to suspend belief when you aren't really witnessing it. So culturally we try to create a believable screenplay which requires for certain adaptations.

I have not read Children of Hurin. Does this mean I need a new book to read after I get done with the Bourne book I'm reading now?

Wow...I think I'm in love.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it would have worked cinematically, especially for a mainstream audience. I think Jackson did the best he could, given the difficulty of the subject matter. I mean, if he really wanted to do the books justice then he'd have made 6 movies and included the scouring of the shire and Tom Bobadil. Also, I think framing the story around Aragorn would have alienated the fan base. The books were always about Frodo, and such a radical shift might have been interesting, but I don't think it would have been true to the story Tolkien was trying to tell. Remember how much flak Jackson caught just for making Arwen a major character when, besides the appendices, she had barely a mention in the books? I have a friend that almost ran out of the theater when Arwen brought Frodo to Rivendell instead of Glorfindel, but for the big screen I think the change was acceptable and the love story between Aragorn and Arwen was strengthened.

A Beren and Luthien movie would EFFING ROCK by the way. The problem is that Christopher Tolkien is an аss, and refuses to license anything beyond what J.R.R. licensed. So sadly, I think we're just going to have to wait until Christopher dies before we can see anything other than The Hobbit and LoTR on the big screen.

Have you read Children of Hurin? I'd love love love to see that on the big screen.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I don't know... I think it may have worked as long as it was in beginning and ending frame-style. I just thought that the end of the third movie was weirdly chopped up in order to try to get those events in... and I was not sure why they made Arwen "mortal" as I thought it sort of cheapened the whole immortal-girl-dies-from-love thing that actually happens in the story. I actually thought that was a very powerful notion that after Aragorn dies, she goes to Galadriel's forest and lays down where the elves used to be and waits there until she dies-- and that THAT is how love kills and elf, not by some magical mortal transformation, but rather the intensity of feeling so that the elf would rather commit suicide that live without their chosen human (even though her children were still alive... it;s the notion of a singular devotion and the utter loneliness of a world she doesn't really belong to anymore). Obviously though, I am partial to that element and therefore biased completely.

I completely agree that it probably should have been more movies... and honestly, I think if they understood how well the 3 would do they may have done it. I think it would have worked and I think people would have been perfectly willing to sit through 6 movies. Obviously, it is cost-prohibitive, although I think it could have been very well made up.

I honestly didn't mind most of the changes because they were well-edited. As you said, the strengthening of the love story worked well (especially in absence of using the appendix), and I think you could basically skip certain people that they did skip (as well as events) and still come across with an urgency and meaning to scenes and the basic story line.

I don't know how much Tolkien would have minded the edits in the overall sense... He may have minded very much, but then again he did state that one of the primary purposes of his literature (and stories) was escape from the world we live in now and a reaction to the major industrialization and depression he saw/felt was destroying aspects of society/myth/human condition/imagination. In that sense, I think the LOTR movies did very well at keeping true to his intent.

Adapting literature to screen can be problematic and I think how it is done is very interesting in itself, especially cross-culturally. We usually work on creating a complete sense of realism. I know in contrast, you watch something like "Hero" and you notice that you can actually narrate the story as it appears on screen and it is almost literal to written description of the fantastic. An example being those exaggerated leaps across the water and the air-fighting, with the swords scraping the surface. I can see that as a written page and it isn't "off" at all-- it would be something akin to "The Hero and his enemy continues to fight their hardest, appearing to float over the water and moving so fast they flew through the air only barest of times touching the surface of the waters with their swords as they fought," or something similar to that. Written, it's not so fantastic, but literally placed on screen it becomes what we consider totally unbelievable. It's easier to suspend belief when you aren't really witnessing it. So culturally we try to create a believable screenplay which requires for certain adaptations.

I have not read Children of Hurin. Does this mean I need a new book to read after I get done with the Bourne book I'm reading now?

Wow...I think I'm in love.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it would have worked cinematically, especially for a mainstream audience. I think Jackson did the best he could, given the difficulty of the subject matter. I mean, if he really wanted to do the books justice then he'd have made 6 movies and included the scouring of the shire and Tom Bobadil. Also, I think framing the story around Aragorn would have alienated the fan base. The books were always about Frodo, and such a radical shift might have been interesting, but I don't think it would have been true to the story Tolkien was trying to tell. Remember how much flak Jackson caught just for making Arwen a major character when, besides the appendices, she had barely a mention in the books? I have a friend that almost ran out of the theater when Arwen brought Frodo to Rivendell instead of Glorfindel, but for the big screen I think the change was acceptable and the love story between Aragorn and Arwen was strengthened.

A Beren and Luthien movie would EFFING ROCK by the way. The problem is that Christopher Tolkien is an аss, and refuses to license anything beyond what J.R.R. licensed. So sadly, I think we're just going to have to wait until Christopher dies before we can see anything other than The Hobbit and LoTR on the big screen.

Have you read Children of Hurin? I'd love love love to see that on the big screen.

Read all the LOR and related books and watched all the movies so far. As good as the movies were, IMO you just cannot do justice to a story so complex in a couple of hours or so.

[Brad and Vika 129]

[mox 298]

Boosting your post count Brad? This aint the PI forum you know.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Boosting your post count Brad? This aint the PI forum you know.

Shameless, I know Almost as bad as resurrecting an old post.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Meh. It's the OT forum, not the sharpest knives in the drawer over there.

It was good for a laugh anyway. When I stated (as K-1 did above) that she was average - the only dissent came from one of our own. I am still stirring, but few want to go there.

I haven't been to this board in awhile, but after reading that thread ....meh. There is some man haters on there. I'm going to stir them up like a sick in a hornets nest. That thread is gonna rock !

[Brad and Vika 129]

Meh. It's the OT forum, not the sharpest knives in the drawer over there.

It was good for a laugh anyway. When I stated (as K-1 did above) that she was average - the only dissent came from one of our own. I am still stirring, but few want to go there.

I haven't been to this board in awhile, but after reading that thread ....meh. There is some man haters on there. I'm going to stir them up like a sick in a hornets nest. That thread is gonna rock !

Always an amusing way to pass time

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Meh. It's the OT forum, not the sharpest knives in the drawer over there.

It was good for a laugh anyway. When I stated (as K-1 did above) that she was average - the only dissent came from one of our own. I am still stirring, but few want to go there.

I haven't been to this board in awhile, but after reading that thread ....meh. There is some man haters on there. I'm going to stir them up like a sick in a hornets nest. That thread is gonna rock !

Always an amusing way to pass time

Yes it is.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Update on the hellraising please!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Update on the hellraising please!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...5&start=195 <---- I see your getting the hornets going again.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Update on the hellraising please!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...5&start=195 <---- I see your getting the hornets going again.

My level best