it's not a hate crime

[_Simpson_ 250]

Not when they have plenty of history behind them. Words are more than words when we don't live in a post-racial era.

Now thats a slippery slope, any word can hurt as much as any other depending on the context and the person your speaking to and I dont think the court of law should be in the business of rating our words. I agree some have alot of power because of the history(N word comes to mind) but being called fat can hurt and cause anger just as much to someone who has been teased about it all there life as it would to a black man being called the N word.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Not when they have plenty of history behind them. Words are more than words when we don't live in a post-racial era.

Now thats a slippery slope, any word can hurt as much as any other depending on the context and the person your speaking to and I dont think the court of law should be in the business of rating our words. I agree some have alot of power because of the history(N word comes to mind) but being called fat can hurt and cause anger just as much to someone who has been teased about it all there life as it would to a black man being called the N word.

Seriously? You're seriously trying to say that calling someone fat is analogous to calling a black person the N-word? Come on now. One will get someone crying, and the other will get you your #### kicked...

[haleywynne 0]

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

[Nik+Heather 121]

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

Sounds like you stopped reading just before we got back on topic...

[_Simpson_ 250]

Not when they have plenty of history behind them. Words are more than words when we don't live in a post-racial era.

Now thats a slippery slope, any word can hurt as much as any other depending on the context and the person your speaking to and I dont think the court of law should be in the business of rating our words. I agree some have alot of power because of the history(N word comes to mind) but being called fat can hurt and cause anger just as much to someone who has been teased about it all there life as it would to a black man being called the N word.

Seriously? You're seriously trying to say that calling someone fat is analogous to calling a black person the N-word? Come on now. One will get someone crying, and the other will get you your #### kicked...

No I didnt say they were the same, what I said was that you could get the same reaction depending on who your talking too and the context of it, the court of law shouldn't be in the business of rating our words.

Edited July 9, 2009 by looking_up

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Not when they have plenty of history behind them. Words are more than words when we don't live in a post-racial era.

Now thats a slippery slope, any word can hurt as much as any other depending on the context and the person your speaking to and I dont think the court of law should be in the business of rating our words. I agree some have alot of power because of the history(N word comes to mind) but being called fat can hurt and cause anger just as much to someone who has been teased about it all there life as it would to a black man being called the N word.

Words speak to causality.

Causality is slippery only when we wish to be selective in our understanding of history and thusly, reality.

In your example it says it all. Not many 'fatties' have been lynched...

[_Simpson_ 250]

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

I agree Amby had no right speaking for everybody. Cleo was being sarcastic when she made the not insured comment.

[HAL 9000 96]

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

Sounds like you stopped reading just before we got back on topic...

MC indeed did an excellent job in the sarcasm dept.

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

I agree Amby had no right speaking for everybody. Cleo was being sarcastic when she made the not insured comment.

True. She should just have said most people instead of everybody. Bad Amby.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

Sounds like you stopped reading just before we got back on topic...

MC indeed did an excellent job in the sarcasm dept.

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

I agree Amby had no right speaking for everybody. Cleo was being sarcastic when she made the not insured comment.

True. She should just have said most people instead of everybody. Bad Amby.

No, she should of just spoke for herself and even then I find personal attacks unnecessary.

[HAL 9000 96]

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

Sounds like you stopped reading just before we got back on topic...

MC indeed did an excellent job in the sarcasm dept.

Okay I randomly read this thread about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore. Here's just what I wanted to say..

I don't think shooter is a moron for one. Speak for yourself whoever that was.

I can't believe someone judged a man by the fact he didn't have insurance. It can be very difficult for some to qualify for insurance in some cases and I'm pretty sure he needed the treatment if he was in critical care!

Socialized health care? My fiance is from the UK and I've seen what that really is. People dying on waiting lists. Also, I heard someone once say "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

This thread just made me sad.

I agree Amby had no right speaking for everybody. Cleo was being sarcastic when she made the not insured comment.

True. She should just have said most people instead of everybody. Bad Amby.

No, she should of just spoke for herself and even then I find personal attacks unnecessary.

Well that's hilarious... defending the indefensible...

And Amby spoke based on something akin to a statistical observation- more people here have stated the obvious, so she merely paraphrased past comments. If you have a problem with that take it up in the proper channels, not with third parties.

[panamania79 2]

http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family

By Phil Trexler

Beacon Journal staff writer

POSTED: 07:44 p.m. EDT, Jul 07, 2009

Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation.

But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty clear.

It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.

''This was almost like being a terrorist act,'' Marshall said. ''And we allow this to go on in our neighborhoods?''

They said it started when one teen, without any words or warning, blindsided and assaulted Marshall's friend as he stood outside with the others.

When Marshall, 39, jumped in, he found himself being attacked by the growing group of teens.

His daughter, Rachel, 15, who weighs about 90 pounds, tried to come to his rescue. The teens pushed her to the ground.

His wife, Yvonne, pushed their son, Donald, 14, into bushes to keep him protected.

''My thing is,'' Marshall said, ''I didn't want this, but I was in fear for my wife, my kids and my friends. I felt I had to stay out there to protect them, because those guys were just jumping, swinging fists and everything.

''I'm lucky. They didn't break my ribs or bruise my ribs. I thank God, they concentrated on my thick head because I do have one. They were trying to take my head off my spine, basically.''

After several minutes of punches and kicks, the attack ended and the group ran off. The Marshalls' two adult male friends were not seriously hurt.

''I don't think I thought at that moment when I tried to jump in,'' Rachel Marshall said. ''But when I was laying on the ground, I was just scared.''

Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.

The construction worker said he now fears for his family's safety, and the thousands of dollars in medical bills he faces without insurance.

''I knew I was going to get beat, but not as bad as I did,'' Marshall said. ''But I did it to protect my family. I didn't have a choice. There was no need for this. We should be all getting along. But to me, it seems to be racist.''

Akron police are investigating. Right now, the case is not being classified as a racial hate crime. There were no other reports of victims assaulted by the group that night.

The department's gang unit is involved in the investigation, police said.

''We don't know if it's a known gang, or just a group of kids,'' police Lt. Rick Edwards said.

The Marshalls say they fear retaliation at home or when they go outside. They are considering arming themselves, but they're concerned about the possible problems that come with guns.

For now, they are hoping police can bring them suspects. They believe they can identify several of the attackers.

''This makes you think about your freedom,'' Marshall said. ''In all reality, where is your freedom when you have this going on?''

Yes it is,as far as I'm concerned.Hate crimes are unacceptable no matter what color the perpetrator happens to be !

[justashooter 430]

"...an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69."

the school records say 135-143 consistently.

BTW, like my new pic, guys?

now this is a moron.

[john & jean 37]

I have tried to respond to this three times. THINK, I WILL PASS

[Amby 490]

I changed my next post from everyone to most so that fixed that problem.

Next...shooter all of your brilliant statistics have proved to me that you're not a moron. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

[HAL 9000 96]

I have tried to respond to this three times. THINK, I WILL PASS

Its gone in a way beyond the normal limits of reason, becoming a show of much sought-after attention.

The obvious has been stated and that's that.