Republicans may support universal healthcare if abortion is explicitly excluded

[alienlovechild 75]

I thought public option was off the table for discussion as far as the Republicans were concerned? Are they buckling under the pressure of the American people?

Pressure? There's less support for a government health care plan than in 1993.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I thought public option was off the table for discussion as far as the Republicans were concerned? Are they buckling under the pressure of the American people?

Pressure? There's less support for a government health care plan than in 1993.

What are the numbers? Cite your source.

[alienlovechild 75]

What are the numbers? Cite your source.

"In early 1993 the sense of a health care crisis was far more widespread than it is today – a 55% majority in 1993 said they felt the health care system needed to be “completely rebuilt” compared with 41% today. Health care costs were also a broader problem in 1993 – 63% of Americans said paying for the cost of a major illness was a “major problem” for them, compared with 48% currently."

http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1534

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Americans feel that they want universal healthcare, but don't want to pay for it. Which means they don't really want it.

A new CNN poll shows just how tricky the debate over health care really is. People are all for expanded coverage and greater government involvement -- right up until they have to face the tradeoffs.

"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?" Americans favor government intervention in the health system by 69%-29%.

"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the health care you and your family receive in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?" When it involves their own care and their families, approval is still high, but a bit lower: 63%-36%.

"Do you think the federal government should guarantee health care for all Americans, or don't you think so?" Americans favor guaranteed health care for all, by a margin of 62%-38%.

Now here's where it gets really tricky: "Would you prefer a health care reform plan that raises taxes in order to provide health insurance to all Americans, or a plan that does not provide health insurance to all Americans but keeps taxes at current levels?" It is now a 47%-47% tie, thanks to the threat of tax increases.

[jundp 191]

Well, if other elective surgeries aren't covered under health care, then why should abortion be covered?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well, if other elective surgeries aren't covered under health care, then why should abortion be covered?

Abortion isn't always elective.

[jundp 191]

Well, if other elective surgeries aren't covered under health care, then why should abortion be covered?

Abortion isn't always elective.

True. And in those cases it wouldn't be considered an elective surgery. If you are burned in a fire and require plastic surgery, that's not generally considered elective, is it? But most insurances would cover something like that.

[mendeleev 68]

Are they buckling under the pressure of the American people?

The wrong American people.

70 percentage plus. The screaming majority.

If mob rule is what you seek, you shall get it. What will an America ruled by the unemployed and the indigent look like? Try Haiti.

I never thought of it like that.

I thought more like Germany. Or Canada. Or Australia. Best of my knowledge, Haiti is not a shining light of democracy.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Geez, If Steve wants an abortion give him one!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Hatch and his Republican colleagues on the Senate Finance Committee are pushing legislation that would require insurers operating within the new Exchange to to deny coverage for abortion services.

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Nineteen House members have also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) stating that they will not vote for health care reform legislation "unless it explicitly excludes abortion funding from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan." "Furthermore, we want to ensure that the Health Benefits Advisory Committee cannot recommend abortion services be included under covered benefits or as part of a benefits package," the members wrote.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/07/06/abortion-sfc/

So the Republican's would like to be agreeable, as long as their most precious anti-abortion crowd is made happy? What about those covered under the plan who are raped? The Rep's say ****em!

Nothing like watching a party spin down the toilet faster than Palin can say "You becha!"

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Like the Dems don't have their pro-abortion death squad to keep happy . . .

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Like the Dems don't have their pro-abortion death squad to keep happy . . .

Death squad?

[dalegg 143]

Nothing like watching a party spin down the toilet faster than Palin can say "You becha!"

yup.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Nothing like watching a party spin down the toilet faster than Palin can say "You becha!"

yup.

Ummm the vote was last November... Your boys lost big, and are sinking fast. Nice and pretty source free graphic though.

[Dan J 277]

Americans feel that they want universal healthcare, but don't want to pay for it. Which means they don't really want it.

A new CNN poll shows just how tricky the debate over health care really is. People are all for expanded coverage and greater government involvement -- right up until they have to face the tradeoffs.

"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?" Americans favor government intervention in the health system by 69%-29%.

"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the health care you and your family receive in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?" When it involves their own care and their families, approval is still high, but a bit lower: 63%-36%.

"Do you think the federal government should guarantee health care for all Americans, or don't you think so?" Americans favor guaranteed health care for all, by a margin of 62%-38%.

Now here's where it gets really tricky: "Would you prefer a health care reform plan that raises taxes in order to provide health insurance to all Americans, or a plan that does not provide health insurance to all Americans but keeps taxes at current levels?" It is now a 47%-47% tie, thanks to the threat of tax increases.

Considering how much we already pay for our half and half health care, a public plan wont be more expensive in the end after the dust settles. It will probably be less expensive overall, and with more payers, less expensive per person.

Its not that those without insurance can't afford it, they just can't afford it at today's rates (Or choose not to).