Immigration Amnesty

[bryonm4 0]

I think if Immigration Amnesty passes your wife or husband will get a green card no matter what. The consulate will no longer have the ability to play GOD and destroy our lives by interogating our loved ones trying to find a way to keep them out of America.

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/amnesty.html

Other Changes to the Immigration System:

Spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and permanent residents would be eligible for green cards based purely on their family connections, but other relatives such as adult children and siblings would not.

What does this mean? I think it means all you have to do is prove your marriage is real by submitting the documents and your spouse will get the green card.

[Anh map 2,098]

The bona fides of any marriage will still need to be proven / verified. It will not be "show your marriage license and come in."

That article is at least a year old as the "latest news" link talks about President Bush and the upcoming election.

[bryonm4 0]

The bona fides of any marriage will still need to be proven / verified. It will not be "show your marriage license and come in."

That article is at least a year old as the "latest news" link talks about President Bush and the upcoming election.

Yeah it was denied the first time but it says they will vote on it again in December of 2009... There is a good chance Obama will pass it.

If it says based purley on family connections and the consulate can play GOD with there gastopo tacktics and trickery then what changes by passing this bill? Why add it to the bill if we are already doing it? I think the gastapo tacktics and trickery will end if this bill gets passed. If you present a valid marriage certificate proof with pictures together and proof of communication then they will not be able to deny your visa anymore for non bonified simple because they have a bad feeling. They have to have some proof to deny. Gettign a visa from Ho Chi Minh will be as easy as getting a visa from the Manilla or Hong Kong. It will be a simple 4 or 5 questions if there is even an interview but I think this bill would do away with the interview process. asking 40 questions at the interview then listing the only 2 questions that your wife got wrong on the wite slip forgetting about the 38 questions she got correct so they can deny it at non bonifide days are over. Ho Chi Minh consulate has in my case and others listed questions that my fiancee at the time got wrong that they didn't even ask her.

My wife speaks english and vietnamise but not very good her native language is Cantonise. She can have a Cantonise translator at the interview instead of a Vietnamise translator however I have to be able to prove I can speak Cantonise I dont think that is very fair since others were able to do there interview in there native language Vietnamise without there husbands being able to speak vietnamise. I would rather have my wife to it in English but if there is a question she doesn't understand having them translate it to Vietnamise will hardly be of any help. This bill needs to reform the DOS and clean out the consulates that are playing GOD with people's lives.

[Dau Que 6]

You're blaming on the wrong party. It's not the CO or any US gov't officials that causes you inconvenience. It's the Vnese people themselves. They've done everything in their power to cheat, and lie (since the VN war and the US gov't already got the taste of it).

When your wife comes over here, you'll understand that when something is built in the society you've been living in for a long time, it takes time to get rid of it. You're now experiencing a by-pass product effect of getting involved with Vietnam.

I was born and raised there. And I still HATE every single time I come back there. How on earth would that society thrive when they waste so much time every day trying to cheat each other? (I'm talking about the way they bargain price everything)

[ScottThuy 140]

You're blaming on the wrong party. It's not the CO or any US gov't officials that causes you inconvenience. It's the Vnese people themselves. They've done everything in their power to cheat, and lie (since the VN war and the US gov't already got the taste of it).

When your wife comes over here, you'll understand that when something is built in the society you've been living in for a long time, it takes time to get rid of it. You're now experiencing a by-pass product effect of getting involved with Vietnam.

I was born and raised there. And I still HATE every single time I come back there. How on earth would that society thrive when they waste so much time every day trying to cheat each other? (I'm talking about the way they bargain price everything)

OT for a sec.

The way they bargain / price everything is economics plain and simple.. they want to get as much as they can get for what they have and do a sort of dance to see how bad you want it and what you are willing to pay... I prefer that in many ways to a "manufacturers suggested retail price or a set price from the manufacturer that we have here.. I actually miss VN..... to each his own...

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Byron, I feel your frustration as you have worked very hard to be together with your wife. The VJ folks coming through MENA and Pakistan are being grilled even more than at HCMC.

But I think that there is no chance that it will be as easy as you are hoping. If so, there is no reason to have any controls. And the majority of people in the US want tighter borders, not more more open.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Ok, I'm just glancing at the article. I've not read the proposed legislation (and my head already hurts from reading too much legal mumbo jumbo today), but here is what I see just from reading the article - feel free to correct me if I'm not understanding something:

Spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and permanent residents would be eligible for green cards based purely on their family connections, but other relatives such as adult children and siblings would not.

Is this not more or less the case now? Aren't spouses and minor children already eligible for IR visas?

New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.

Is this good or bad? What are the new limits?

Visas for parents of U.S. citizens would be capped annually at 40,000 and those for spouses and children at 87,000.

Unless I'm wrong, this sounds MUCH worse than current law. Unless I'm mistaken, there currently is NO cap on spouses and children of US citizens. The current cap on spouses and children of LPR's is higher than what this legislation proposes for US citizens! USCIS anticipates processing almost 218,000 IR petitions this year alone. What will happen to those petitions if they cap the number of IR visas to half that? I don't like the prospect of having to wait for a priority date to bring my wife to the US.

My initial impression is that this legislation would have been beneficial mainly to illegal immigrants already in the US, and would have made it considerably tougher for new immigrants to come legally. This legislation, from what I can tell, was designed to appease Hispanic voters, while at the same time appeasing advocates of tougher immigration and border enforcement. I think this legislation would have made things many times worse for those of us trying to bring fiancee's and wives to the US (ok, she's not my wife yet... )

If I missed something, please tell me. As it is, I hope this legislation is never reintroduced.

[bryonm4 0]

If there was a cap and I had to wait a year or two that wouldn't be so bad but I worry about the interview because my wife is hard to understand unless your used to talking to her. It took me a few months to understand her now we communicate very well, however the interviewer who is only going to give her 5 minutes of his or her time is in no way going to understand my wife.

I'm doing everything by the book this time I have saved a mountain of evedince. If they deny this time for non bonafide I will raise holly hell. My congressman is already fed up with that consulate and if they make the mistake to deny my visa using the same tacktics they used the first time I will contact my senator. People say they cannot do anything but thats not true. They cannot vouch for your relationship and they cannot issue you a visa however if your wife is mistreated at the interview IE.. asked several questions until they finaly get enough to deny or list incorrect denial reasons on the white sheet they can call for a congressional inquirey. If my visa is denied even if it is for 1 day and the attorny or my senator is able to get me the pink that will not be good enough. I will insist my senator file a congressional inquirey. I am collectin a list of people who have been msitreated the same way at the consulate. That should give my congressman enough ammo to take action. I know that its just a form letter that was not edited properly however its still a falsified government document. After all if I submitted a false document I would be charged with purgery 15k and 5 years they need to be subject to the same law they work for us they cannot abuse there power like that and commit purgery. If they are found guilty I will not be happy if they loose there job and benifits I want to see serious jail time and fines assessed.

I live in a state with powerful congressmen and a small population if they won't take action then I will talk with the media and get it in the local papers. I have relatives and many friends that will help me campaing for the opposition. They were elected to serve the people and if they will not do that then its time to elect others that will.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

If there was a cap and I had to wait a year or two that wouldn't be so bad but I worry about the interview because my wife is hard to understand unless your used to talking to her. It took me a few months to understand her now we communicate very well, however the interviewer who is only going to give her 5 minutes of his or her time is in no way going to understand my wife.

I'm doing everything by the book this time I have saved a mountain of evedince. If they deny this time for non bonafide I will raise holly hell. My congressman is already fed up with that consulate and if they make the mistake to deny my visa using the same tacktics they used the first time I will contact my senator. People say they cannot do anything but thats not true. They cannot vouch for your relationship and they cannot issue you a visa however if your wife is mistreated at the interview IE.. asked several questions until they finaly get enough to deny or list incorrect denial reasons on the white sheet they can call for a congressional inquirey. If my visa is denied even if it is for 1 day and the attorny or my senator is able to get me the pink that will not be good enough. I will insist my senator file a congressional inquirey. I am collectin a list of people who have been msitreated the same way at the consulate. That should give my congressman enough ammo to take action. I know that its just a form letter that was not edited properly however its still a falsified government document. After all if I submitted a false document I would be charged with purgery 15k and 5 years they need to be subject to the same law they work for us they cannot abuse there power like that and commit purgery. If they are found guilty I will not be happy if they loose there job and benifits I want to see serious jail time and fines assessed.

I live in a state with powerful congressmen and a small population if they won't take action then I will talk with the media and get it in the local papers. I have relatives and many friends that will help me campaing for the opposition. They were elected to serve the people and if they will not do that then its time to elect others that will.

First, re. the cap - I don't think you'd automatically get the visa after waiting the two years (or whatever) for your priority date. I think it would be the same nightmare that it is now, with the grueling interview and all of the evidence, but you'd just have to wait a lot longer for your turn.

Re. the legal action - it would be really tough to prove that the consulate intentionally lied. Even if you could, they aren't sworn under penalty of perjury on the documents they fill out, like we are with the documents we submit to them. If you could prove they lied intentionally then the best you could probably hope for is to get them fired. I doubt there would be any criminal liability. I think it's more likely you could only prove the information they wrote down was incorrect or false, but not prove they intentionally lied, in which case you've only succeeded in proving they are inept. If you could get every inept government employee fired then most government offices would be pretty lonely places.

It's ok to think about what sort of action you'll take if your visa is denied, but don't focus on that. Focus on getting your ducks in a row so that you can get the visa this time. I don't know what to say about the language problem. You have a unique situation there for HCM. Language problems usually have to do with doubts that the couple can communicate in a common language. If they have doubts, have your wife suggest they call you on your cell phone and have her ask you a question and see if she understands your response. I seem to recall reading that somebody else mentioned their fiancee told the CO that her husband spoke Vietnamese. The husband was waiting outside across the street, and they called him to see if he really did speak Vietnamese. Maybe that approach would work with you and your wife.

Dunno. Just making suggestions...

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New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.

Visas for parents of U.S. citizens would be capped annually at 40,000 and those for spouses and children at 87,000.

Not good for most imm9igrants!

[bryonm4 0]

If there was a cap and I had to wait a year or two that wouldn't be so bad but I worry about the interview because my wife is hard to understand unless your used to talking to her. It took me a few months to understand her now we communicate very well, however the interviewer who is only going to give her 5 minutes of his or her time is in no way going to understand my wife.

I'm doing everything by the book this time I have saved a mountain of evedince. If they deny this time for non bonafide I will raise holly hell. My congressman is already fed up with that consulate and if they make the mistake to deny my visa using the same tacktics they used the first time I will contact my senator. People say they cannot do anything but thats not true. They cannot vouch for your relationship and they cannot issue you a visa however if your wife is mistreated at the interview IE.. asked several questions until they finaly get enough to deny or list incorrect denial reasons on the white sheet they can call for a congressional inquirey. If my visa is denied even if it is for 1 day and the attorny or my senator is able to get me the pink that will not be good enough. I will insist my senator file a congressional inquirey. I am collectin a list of people who have been msitreated the same way at the consulate. That should give my congressman enough ammo to take action. I know that its just a form letter that was not edited properly however its still a falsified government document. After all if I submitted a false document I would be charged with purgery 15k and 5 years they need to be subject to the same law they work for us they cannot abuse there power like that and commit purgery. If they are found guilty I will not be happy if they loose there job and benifits I want to see serious jail time and fines assessed.

I live in a state with powerful congressmen and a small population if they won't take action then I will talk with the media and get it in the local papers. I have relatives and many friends that will help me campaing for the opposition. They were elected to serve the people and if they will not do that then its time to elect others that will.

First, re. the cap - I don't think you'd automatically get the visa after waiting the two years (or whatever) for your priority date. I think it would be the same nightmare that it is now, with the grueling interview and all of the evidence, but you'd just have to wait a lot longer for your turn.

Re. the legal action - it would be really tough to prove that the consulate intentionally lied. Even if you could, they aren't sworn under penalty of perjury on the documents they fill out, like we are with the documents we submit to them. If you could prove they lied intentionally then the best you could probably hope for is to get them fired. I doubt there would be any criminal liability. I think it's more likely you could only prove the information they wrote down was incorrect or false, but not prove they intentionally lied, in which case you've only succeeded in proving they are inept. If you could get every inept government employee fired then most government offices would be pretty lonely places.

It's ok to think about what sort of action you'll take if your visa is denied, but don't focus on that. Focus on getting your ducks in a row so that you can get the visa this time. I don't know what to say about the language problem. You have a unique situation there for HCM. Language problems usually have to do with doubts that the couple can communicate in a common language. If they have doubts, have your wife suggest they call you on your cell phone and have her ask you a question and see if she understands your response. I seem to recall reading that somebody else mentioned their fiancee told the CO that her husband spoke Vietnamese. The husband was waiting outside across the street, and they called him to see if he really did speak Vietnamese. Maybe that approach would work with you and your wife.

Dunno. Just making suggestions...

Well at the very lest to appease me I would hope there would be some house cleaning with people loosing there jobs and pensions. Maybe somebody can introduce new legislation to hold those in office accountable so this abuse of power does not continute.

[Kevin and 10]

Well at the very lest to appease me I would hope there would be some house cleaning with people loosing there jobs and pensions. Maybe somebody can introduce new legislation to hold those in office accountable so this abuse of power does not continute.

If the govt does anything, they will make it harder for legal immigration while providing a fast track for illegal immigrants to become legal.

Edited July 7, 2009 by Kevin and Tuyen

[sara..... 371]

i know what im about to say is gonna sound selfish but i dont care.

im having enough problems just trying to get out of csc i can not even imagine the wait time my case will have if they implement amnesty, and why should they be allowed it coming here illegally when i cant even get perviz here legally?

sounds to me like a legal wash to resolve the problem of illegals!

sara

[bryonm4 0]

If they do quota's then they need to do it per country based off the countrys population. So mexico has about the same population as vietnam so they should each get to omit about 30k a year. No country should be favored because of its people or location to us. If so I will get my wife a ticket to Mexico and bring her accross the boarder with all this bs. Nobody in the state I live in will deport my wife and many people here are fed up with the federal government. I'm not a gun owner but many people have said if they come to my door for my gun they will get the bullet.

[HYENA 4]

hey...whoa nellie! settle down a bit! I agree; concentrate on doing what you can, work with her on answering questions, etc.

My good friend is from VN got married and the day she got her greencard she left him. it was all a scam and she applied for her "x" husband to come now! My friend us from VN but an American now.

Yes, the scams force the embassies to try to protect the USA and us. Sometimes we cannot see we're mid scam. Who knows, I may be and not know it!

So...if you have a real relationship, concentrate on the evidence and the interview. Americans will misinterpret Asian affection for greed many times. Asians tend to be private about romantic things. Both cultures need to learn more in order to communicate and get the OK.

Teach your fiancee that speaking about love and romance is good for an interview; don't talk about how well he supports you and your family. I've heard many women proclaim their husband is a good husband but it's all mentioning money..in SE Asia, love is money and giving money is love. Likely the person interviewing doesn't see this and thinks it's all about money but fails to see the money is a product of love. Hard to explain but both sides need to be more aware and we can only control our side. So...if there's true love and romance, they need to talk about it. The interview is not the time to be shy or reserved. Just my thoughts about why some interviews may be denied when they may not needed to be denied.