hmm what if.... we let the date to get married pass by?

[rebeccajo 14]

I just posted a topic yesterday about "Aggressive VJers", this just proves my point if anyone had any doubts. Mr/Mrs Ioukta just asked a simple question about how to extend the visa, and he practically gets attacked and ridiculed for his religious beliefs.

Only about 10% of people actually tried to give any relevant advice, most others just gave their sarcastic opinions on his choice of being "saved"

If I were you, I would call or email the embassy and ask their policy on rescheduling the interview date. (just repeating what someone said)

Good Luck

msdelia -

The INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) is a group of laws. Laws in this country are based upon the Constitution of the United States. The OP's question relates to her faith therefore cannot be separated from the answers. As such, the answer to the OP's question lies here.

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Although the First Amendment only explicitly applies to the Congress, the Supreme Court has interpreted it as applying to the executive and judicial branches. Additionally, in the 20th century, the Supreme Court held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the limitations of the First Amendment to each state, including any local government within a state."

In other words - her beliefs or religion have nothing to do with the process to enter the country. She needs to follow the same steps as anyone else. If her faith impedes that, then she must start over at some point - just like anyone else who "interrupts" the process by personal choice.

Edited July 4, 2009 by rebeccajo

[ioukta 0]

First off, No one was "Persecuting your believes" I Did give you advice. I told you .......

"Don't mean to be harsh but ####### were you thinking in the first place? Why can you not be saved in America? Does god not save ppl here? So I guess you choose your fiance, or being "saved" in your country. Have fun trying to re-apply. Besides, marriage is one of the holy sacraments, you are entitled to this by god. You know you can always get baptized, receive the host and confirm yourself after you marry? You can have a civil marriage then do these steps after, leading to a "holy marriage". That my friend is not advice it's ur own opinion, which i don't follow so don't even bother

But you rather discern the negative from the positive...very Christian of you. And I did not say "Your lives are a kick in the teeth" but yes, your words are to me. Whether you choose to marginalize my feelings about this or not is really not your choice. Just like you had a choice to not write in my thread Perhaps you should read and think before getting all uppity about your religion. Personally, I do not care whether you use snakes, drink yak blood, or pay homage to a can of lima beans that's your thing,If you don't care why did you even start typing about it, let it fly it's none of your business And welcome to America you can worship the way you like here, but along with this you must understand we also have freedom of speech and it doesn't save you from being scrutinized by other members of the American population And u also have freedom to shut up something u apparently don't grasp cause u took it upon yourself to start typing in my thread but totally off topic, typical butthead <---- freedom of speech.... "I went to France a few years back and the French ppl were very kind but they defiantly had their opinions so, this should not come as shock to you. If you want advice without bias then you should hire a LAWYER thats the problem i didn't ask for advice on how i was doing things i asked about very specific things and had u read my thread i said this is NOT an open debate on religion, i even put lil * in front of them, if you read them again you'll see no mention of religion. Do not expect sympathy because you choose to post a topics in a public forum! You'll find no quarter here.

Maybe it is because I am from NY and I have a "Call it like I see it" mentality. I have posted several topics of discussion here on VJ and have less then pleasant responses to them But, I never cried about them after ppl have posted their opinions. I asked for it, and I got it.

And don't worry, I don't have it twisted guy, I was stating that "Every action has an equal or greater reaction" I didn't say you were complaining, I said Do not complain when you have problems in the future.yeah exactly and i don't appreciate it cause you do not know me so please refrain from telling me what to do or not do Your situation seems to have a relatively easy fix. So be prepared for what you do. What if god never comes to you? What if god doesn't work in 6 month time frames? This is why I told you to come to America and have a civil marriage first then have a holy marriage. But again, you decided on taking the "Poor me, no one wants to understand my religion" path. i never said poor me, basically don't try to understand my faith with ur itty bitty lil mind it won't work, and i don't have to take your advice

And also, if you are truly a man of faith why are you asking all these questions? Do you not believe that god will give you a divine path to follow? Sounds like you are second guessing him......... again u're trying to understand something u can't even wrap ur mind around, i'm not a man either, shows how much u pay attention or think before you type, my visa specific questions had NOTHING to do with God but how would u understand that helping myself first works too, it's like talking to a child and i ain't got time for u

[ioukta 0]

msdelia -

The INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) is a group of laws. Laws in this country are based upon the Constitution of the United States. The OP's question relates to her faith NO IT DOES NOT therefore cannot be separated from the answers. As such, the answer to the OP's question lies here.

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Although the First Amendment only explicitly applies to the Congress, the Supreme Court has interpreted it as applying to the executive and judicial branches. Additionally, in the 20th century, the Supreme Court held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the limitations of the First Amendment to each state, including any local government within a state."

In other words - her beliefs or religion have nothing to do with the process to enter the country. She needs to follow the same steps as anyone else. If her faith impedes that, then she must start over at some point - just like anyone else who "interrupts" the process by personal choice.

shows how much you read my posts too, my first question was about how to go about a second time around, smhhhhhhhh unbelievable. my only question was if it made a difference the second time if we do it again after getting the visa as opposed to people trying again because they didn't get it, which is different

i never implied i'd use my religion to get anything different from everybody else

man BLAH BLAH BLAH

EVERYBODY if an admin reads this i wouldn't mind if this thread could get locked it's a waste of time

thank you to everybody who gave answers to my questions, i now know what to do in case i need to thank you Thank you Ms Delia for your kind heart i feel less alone but more like an endangered specie lol

anyone interested can look up Holiness church in wikipedia i don't have to explain myself on here or defend my beliefs

ButtheadS : have fun being buttheads

Edited July 4, 2009 by ioukta

[NArocks 13]

You posted your information on a pulic internet forum, everyone is entitled to answer. You may not like what you hear, however you are the one who opened yourself up for this. Take what you need and discard the rest rather than keep posting to the board.

In before the lock

PM a MOD and the will lock for you

[rebeccajo 14]

msdelia -

The INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) is a group of laws. Laws in this country are based upon the Constitution of the United States. The OP's question relates to her faith NO IT DOES NOT therefore cannot be separated from the answers. As such, the answer to the OP's question lies here.

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Although the First Amendment only explicitly applies to the Congress, the Supreme Court has interpreted it as applying to the executive and judicial branches. Additionally, in the 20th century, the Supreme Court held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the limitations of the First Amendment to each state, including any local government within a state."

In other words - her beliefs or religion have nothing to do with the process to enter the country. She needs to follow the same steps as anyone else. If her faith impedes that, then she must start over at some point - just like anyone else who "interrupts" the process by personal choice.

shows how much you read my posts too, my first question was about how to go about a second time around, smhhhhhhhh unbelievable. my only question was if it made a difference the second time if we do it again after getting the visa as opposed to people trying again because they didn't get it, which is different

i never implied i'd use my religion to get anything different from everybody else

man BLAH BLAH BLAH

EVERYBODY if an admin reads this i wouldn't mind if this thread could get locked it's a waste of time

thank you to everybody who gave answers to my questions, i now know what to do in case i need to thank you Thank you Ms Delia for your kind heart i feel less alone but more like an endangered specie lol

anyone interested can look up Holiness church in wikipedia i don't have to explain myself on here or defend my beliefs

ButtheadS : have fun being buttheads

You have no reason at all to become offended by what I wrote.

You would not have a question about how to postpone or re-file if it were not for your faith. I have not questioned or ridiculed your faith. In fact, what I pointed out is how it is irrelevant other than it creates your predicament.

[ioukta 0]

In other words - her beliefs or religion have nothing to do with the process to enter the country. She needs to follow the same steps as anyone else. If her faith impedes that, then she must start over at some point - just like anyone else who "interrupts" the process by personal choice.

You have no reason at all to become offended by what I wrote.

You would not have a question about how to postpone or re-file if it were not for your faith. I have not questioned or ridiculed your faith. In fact, what I pointed out is how it is irrelevant other than it creates your predicament.

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I am offended because you writing "She needs to follow the same steps as anyone else" is like i implied i didn't need to, i never said anything about that and typing "just like anyone else' implying i thought i wasn't like anyone else

my religion was never a topic i never made it one it was just a glimps as to why i would want to wait/

You talking about laws and religion looks like i was trying to go around the law using my religion, i wasn't

RELIGION WAS NEVER A TOPIC IT WAS A DETAIL everybody wants to adress it for whatever reason when it's nobody's business

that's how i took it, adding those like everybody else sounded very extra and not useful that's all

[rebeccajo 14]

Oh please do not accuse me of stating something that I did not. Believe me, you can ask anyone who has been around this board for a while that if I have something to say, I will say it. I do not "write between the lines".

IF I had wanted to state that you seem to be expecting some extra measure from the Service because of your religion, I would have come right out and said that.

[Welshcookie 17]

Take what you need and discard the rest rather than keep posting to the board.

You chose to bring the religious aspect into this thread, your terminology is confusing to non religious people or those of a different faith, so immediately it became a confusing post, I personally didn't see any aggression from people here apart from yourself. You got some very good responses, you are perceiving attacks that are not there.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Take what you need and discard the rest rather than keep posting to the board.

You chose to bring the religious aspect into this thread, your terminology is confusing to non religious people or those of a different faith, so immediately it became a confusing post, I personally didn't see any aggression from people here apart from yourself. You got some very good responses, you are perceiving attacks that are not there.

I concur. Immigration to the US is a civil process. The laws are what they are. And marriage, for the purposes of immigration, has absolutely nada to do with religious beliefs. We gave the OP several options of what they could do. But hey, what can I tell you>???

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Thread closed at the OP's request - and one insulting and unnecessary post removed.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Kathryn41