India Rejects Any Greenhouse-Gas Cuts Under New Climate Treaty

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India Rejects Any Greenhouse-Gas Cuts Under New Climate Treaty

By Bibhudatta Pradhan

June 30 (Bloomberg) -- India said it will reject any new treaty to limit global warming that makes the country reduce greenhouse-gas emissions because that will undermine its energy consumption, transportation and food security.

Cutting back on climate-warming gases is a measure that instead must be taken by industrialized countries, and India is mobilizing developing nations to push that case, Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told the media today in New Delhi.

“India will not accept any emission-reduction target -- period,” Ramesh said. “This is a non-negotiable stand.”

India, which has more than 800 million people living on less than $2 a day, is talking with Brazil, China and South Africa on taking a common stand in international negotiations that richer countries like the U.S. and Britain must reduce their emissions 45 percent by the year 2020 from 1990 levels.

That level of reduction worldwide may be enough to ensure the global average temperature rises no more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial times, according to a United Nations climate agency, which suggested a 25 percent-to-40 percent cut over the same three-decade period.

The 27-nation European Union, promising a 20-percent reduction, Japan, pledging an 8 percent cut, and the U.S., committed to return to 1990 levels by 2020, all fall below the UN target for gases such as carbon dioxide.

“We are not re-negotiating the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change,” Ramesh said, referring to the treaty that entered into force in 1994 and laid the groundwork for emissions cuts by richer nations. “There is no way India is going to accept any emission reduction target, period, between now and the Copenhagen meeting and thereafter.”

Per-Capita Offer

More than 190 nations are negotiating a global climate treaty to reduce gas emissions and replace the expiring 1997 Kyoto Protocol limits. Countries plan to wrap up negotiations and sign the new treaty in Copenhagen by late December.

Ramesh reiterated India’s previous offer to contain CO2 emissions per capita below those of developed nations.

India, the second-most populous nation, only emits 4.6 percent of the global carbon-dioxide emissions, while the U.S. produces 20.9 percent, he said. Asia’s third-biggest economy in June unveiled a plan to form eight commissions to improve energy efficiency and mitigate the impact of climate change.

The legislation passed by the U.S. House of Representatives to impose trade penalties on nations that do not accept limits on global warming pollution is a concern for India, Ramesh said.

“We reject the use of climate as a non-tariff barrier,” the minister said. “We comprehensively and categorically reject any attempt to introduce climate change” as part of World Trade Organization talks.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bibhudatta Pradhan in New Delhi at bpradhan@bloomberg.net.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=aWs0Pts2Kxes

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June 30 (Bloomberg) -- India said it will reject any new treaty to limit global warming that makes the country reduce greenhouse-gas emissions because that will undermine its energy consumption, transportation and food security.

Have you listened to what else these environmentalist freaks want? They want people to only eat locally grown food and they want to stop transportation and storage of food. Their agenda will result in genocide... genocide ... in countries like India that depend greatly on transportation and refrigeration and importation of food products.

The environmentalist agenda is not one to be trusted. It is to be treated with suspicion.

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China report warns of greenhouse gas leap

Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:35am EDT

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's greenhouse gas pollution could double or more in two decades says a new Chinese state think-tank study that casts stark light on the industrial giant's role in stoking global warming.

Beijing has not released recent official data on greenhouse gas from the nation's fast-growing use of coal, oil and gas. Researchers abroad estimate China's carbon dioxide emissions now easily outstrip that of the United States, long the biggest emitter.

But in a break with official reticence, researchers from the Chinese Academy of Sciences and other major state-run institutes have concluded that, without dramatic counter-steps, their nation's emissions will tower over all others' much sooner and higher than an earlier government forecast indicated.

The projected leap in emissions underscores the pressures that China will face in looming climate change negotiations, and the immense challenges it will face in meeting any commitments.

By 2020, China's burning of fossil fuels could annually emit carbon dioxide equal in mass to 2.5 billion metric tonnes of pure carbon and up to 2.9 billion tonnes, depending on varying scenarios for development and technology, the new report states. By 2030, those annual emissions may reach 3.1 billion tonnes a year and up to 4.0 billion tonnes.

That compares with global carbon emissions of about 8.5 billion tonnes in 2007. Emissions are also often estimated in tonnes of Co2, which weighs 3.67 times as much as carbon alone.

The think-tank report does not give its own estimate of China's current Co2 emissions, but cites data from a U.S. Department of Energy institute that put them at 1.4 billion tonnes of carbon in 2004.

The U.S. Oak Ridge National Laboratory estimated that the United States emitted about 1.6 billion tonnes of carbon in 2007, compared to China's 1.8 billion tonnes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/environment...E49L0Z920081022

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Why does India hate earth?

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If India isn't going to cooperate and China expected to double its carbon output then what is the use of us cutting back? It will not change a thing as far as CO2 goes and will cripple our industry. Any company that feels our restrictions are hurting them will just move to India or China. We will see a greater exodus of our industry base moving out. We need to encourage companies to stay, not give them more reason to leave.

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this entire agreement, just like kyoto, is a tax on developed nations and a windfall to developing nations. i have lived in china and india, and have experienced the "environment". both countries are an ecological disaster compared to America, with china leading the way by leaps and bounds.

for india, it's just a matter of time as unregulated coal fired power plants sprout out of the countryside like so many blades of grass. the only thing slowing it down is the lack of infrastructure in terms of foundry and machining capabilities. india is caught up in the display of newfound wealth, and consumers would rather have bling than the real thing.

the focus of the economy seems to be the creation of the appearance of a well developed nation in a tin veneer upon the impoverishment of the general populus. this at the cost of backburnering important economic development like steelmaking and power generation, which have been the key to china's emergence as a significant world power.

mao had the right idea in The Great Leap Forward. he just lacked control in the implementation. in contrast, india lacks self discipline. perhaps this is a measure of the will of the people. chinese would be seen as one of a great nation. indians would rather be seen as one in their acheivement.

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india is caught up in the display of newfound wealth, and consumers would rather have bling than the real thing.

This is very true. I grew up with my parents who were raised in the India of the 1950s and 1960s, it was different then. You worked hard, saved money, still didn't have enough. That was the mentality I grew up here thinking was "Indian". Then I started working and began meeting H1B's, Indian people my age from Mumbai and Delhi. Talk about a total goddamn culture shock. I was the one stuck in a time bubble. There's this Indian contractor I work with, he's 35 (just a bit older than me) with a 3 year old daughter and every time he talks to me he can't stop talking about how much he had to drink last weekend. I'm like dude.. is that all you do? Oh and the leather on his fvcking car. I just don't care. My dad hated young indian men. He confided in me once that he only recommended Americans for hire at work because Indians aren't what they used to be

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india is caught up in the display of newfound wealth, and consumers would rather have bling than the real thing.

This is very true. I grew up with my parents who were raised in the India of the 1950s and 1960s, it was different then. You worked hard, saved money, still didn't have enough. That was the mentality I grew up here thinking was "Indian". Then I started working and began meeting H1B's, Indian people my age from Mumbai and Delhi. Talk about a total goddamn culture shock. I was the one stuck in a time bubble. There's this Indian contractor I work with, he's 35 (just a bit older than me) with a 3 year old daughter and every time he talks to me he can't stop talking about how much he had to drink last weekend. I'm like dude.. is that all you do? Oh and the leather on his fvcking car. I just don't care. My dad hated young indian men. He confided in me once that he only recommended Americans for hire at work because Indians aren't what they used to be

Isn't that a consequence of a consumer driven economy in general?

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india is caught up in the display of newfound wealth, and consumers would rather have bling than the real thing.

This is very true. I grew up with my parents who were raised in the India of the 1950s and 1960s, it was different then. You worked hard, saved money, still didn't have enough. That was the mentality I grew up here thinking was "Indian". Then I started working and began meeting H1B's, Indian people my age from Mumbai and Delhi. Talk about a total goddamn culture shock. I was the one stuck in a time bubble. There's this Indian contractor I work with, he's 35 (just a bit older than me) with a 3 year old daughter and every time he talks to me he can't stop talking about how much he had to drink last weekend. I'm like dude.. is that all you do? Oh and the leather on his fvcking car. I just don't care. My dad hated young indian men. He confided in me once that he only recommended Americans for hire at work because Indians aren't what they used to be

Isn't that a consequence of a consumer driven economy in general?

Not everyone reacts to a consumer driven economy the same way. It's my sense that young urban people in India have gone a little 'overboard' with it all. There's a coarse, but accurate racial analogy I could make to more aptly describe their behavior to an American audience, but I won't.

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It's my sense that young urban people in India have gone a little 'overboard' with it all. There's a coarse, but accurate racial analogy I could make to more aptly describe their behavior to an American audience, but I won't.

Why suddenly hold back on us now?

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It's my sense that young urban people in India have gone a little 'overboard' with it all. There's a coarse, but accurate racial analogy I could make to more aptly describe their behavior to an American audience, but I won't.

Why suddenly hold back on us now?

Because I can.

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IMO-It's outrageous to me that the likes of China thumb their collective nose at the data surrounding their emmissions. But that's just me, and while we are imposing restrictions and taxes to offset pollutants here on our folks-we are still buying their #######. What was it Steven said about 'consumer choice'? now that is a rule I do try to follow, I avoid buying ####### from China if I can-but try finding a toaster or anything that doesn't have the little gold 'made in China' sticker on it........

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It's my sense that young urban people in India have gone a little 'overboard' with it all. There's a coarse, but accurate racial analogy I could make to more aptly describe their behavior to an American audience, but I won't.

Why suddenly hold back on us now?

Because I can.

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If India isn't going to cooperate and China expected to double its carbon output then what is the use of us cutting back? It will not change a thing as far as CO2 goes and will cripple our industry. Any company that feels our restrictions are hurting them will just move to India or China. We will see a greater exodus of our industry base moving out. We need to encourage companies to stay, not give them more reason to leave.

so hippies can go to bed feeling less guilty.

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It's my sense that young urban people in India have gone a little 'overboard' with it all. There's a coarse, but accurate racial analogy I could make to more aptly describe their behavior to an American audience, but I won't.

Why suddenly hold back on us now?

Because I can.

Give into your dark side and you'll feel more powerful.