I understand illegal immigration

[NArocks 13]

As far as the under the table jobs this is my take ( I am lighting a fire ) however many Americans are stating they can not find work, why becasue they want to make over 15.00 per hour or more, maybe they were laid off from the job they had for 20 years and cleaning the rest rooms at the local store is beneath them? Or flipping burgers is not there preference, they would rather collect a check rather than work like that. Do you think they would go in the fields and pick the strawberries and what not? How many caucasian people do you see picking the produce?

OK I know I started it now but this is just my Humble opinion be nice

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Do you think they would go in the fields and pick the strawberries and what not? How many caucasian people do you see picking the produce?

I was down in Burlington County last weekend for personal business and got lost. Ended up driving through quite a bit of farmland around Florence and saw many white people working in them.

The difference, I think, is that white people will work a farm they have an actual, tangible stake in. They won't swim across a river and live in a room with 20 other white people to get picked up in a van in the morning to go pick strawberries in exchange for $50. White people will do the work, but not for that.

[nowhereman 1]

If there was a list of the most controversial topics on VJ this one would be on it. Also on the list would be global warming & young foreign women marrying much older (American) men.

[panamania79 2]

As an addendum to the original topic...how have your views changed (if they have) about illegal immigrants now that you are going, or went through the legal immigration process?

-Blu-(stirring the pot again)

Not at all.

Just as my views of shoplifters don't change when I pay for my groceries at the checkout counter.

Legal = good. Illegal = bad. What's so hard to understand?

Well, all jokes aside, my view on the subject at hand is: I do not support illegal immigration. I DO look down upon my fellow countrymen who have the "stick it up their asses gonna go live in US whether they want it or not" attitude, I believe in working hard to better your country as opposed to escaping to the US for a better life. I do understand some people are in dire situations and feel that it's die or find a way to other countries (not just US have problems with illegal immigration). I agree that the government is in serious need of an immigration reform and ways to reinforce illegal immigration prevention.

But in all this what bugs me, personally, is knowing that to the majority of americans, just for being foreign I'm automatically illegal, and if I try to explain that I married a citizen and we decided to live here then I'm a GC #######. And even if you say that to a fellow brazilian living here illegaly, they'll be against you and saying "at least I didn't marry just for the sake of the card". There's no attention to the fact that many of us living in US today coming from marriages or work visas might not have necessarily chosen to live here, but it's what was appropriate at the time. I tire of saying I'd return to Brazil any day, and I plan to, as soon as my husband and I find good opportunities there for us.

As for Spanish in schools, I was an exchange student in AZ in 1996, and they did have all spanish classes for the hispanic students, which were probably half of the entire school. Funny thing is, they wanted to place me in that class and I had to explain seriously that I knew way more English than I knew Spanish. They thought that since I spoke Portuguese it was the same thing.

Ask how many Puerto Ricans that visit the 'mainland' get greencarded for things such as bank services, etc.

As for the baited comments that state this site is full of illegal immigration supporters, well... that is that.

Yep, since I live here in PR I know well how they too are severely prejudiced for being puertoricans. Americans call them freeloaders 'cus theoretically they don't file taxes federally (it's a bit diff than US but yes, they file federal taxes as well). And I am sure if you ask most of them, they'd say they'd rather become a State and abide by all US regulations, than remain a colony and have to abide by all US regulations without proper representation in Congress and without voting for President.

Other Latinos do not like Puerto Ricans either.I always hear them speaking badly about them.It's mostly jealousy.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Do you think they would go in the fields and pick the strawberries and what not? How many caucasian people do you see picking the produce?

Why do you hate strawberries?

[Ladylethal 12]

Dunno, my husband and his family and everyone I know are for the political party going for statehood, since staying as is sucks and if they go independent the island will be worst than Haiti.

My pops was a PNP politician and 95% of my familia is too.

The whole 'independence = instant misery is an old argument that resonated in a Cold War era that doesn't exist anymore and never made sense to people that keep a closer eye on the actual potential a nation has by the people it produces. Have they also used the Cuba will invade PR line too? Things don't work like that in a modern world where transition periods are set up with intelligence to create a healthy, vibrant economy to trade with the former colonial power, not become a banana republic. IMO... many estadistas have a near permanent case of self esteem issues.

Besides like I said... the US Congress will never grant it so I am not concerned about it happening either way.

Anyway... gotta go.

I don't know, as it is at times it seems it's already going the way of the dodo. Also, my husband is estadista but he's also a realista, meaning he knows things are not gonna change anytime soon. The Haiti comment was all mine, not his, 'cus I see things going downhill around here as is. The number of companies closing, the amount of people on food stamps, way too many houses for sale, and the neverending spending. Boricuas shop like maniacs!

Edited July 1, 2009 by Ladylethal

[Wyld Blu 35]

As far as the under the table jobs this is my take ( I am lighting a fire ) however many Americans are stating they can not find work, why becasue they want to make over 15.00 per hour or more, maybe they were laid off from the job they had for 20 years and cleaning the rest rooms at the local store is beneath them? Or flipping burgers is not there preference, they would rather collect a check rather than work like that. Do you think they would go in the fields and pick the strawberries and what not? How many caucasian people do you see picking the produce?

OK I know I started it now but this is just my Humble opinion be nice

Here's an interesting thing. A good friend of mine who is a graphic designer, has been out of work for almost a year. She looks and looks but finds nothing in her field. I asked her why she doesn't just work wherever she can for whatever she can in the meantime. She told me that first off, it pays way more to stay on unemployment until it runs out, and if she takes a job flipping burgers, for instance, she will not get her unemployment ck at all. So, she can't pay rent taking a job like that, but can by staying on unemployment until it runs out, or she finds another job.

Go figure.

-Blu-

[Niels Bohr 72]

wryd,

I wanted to know if your friend looked into being roommates with people. Living on that income would've been better if you roomed with another person. Split the rent. It's sustainable.

And, while sharing the room, also have her get another career. Not an insult that she likes what she's doing, but, focus on what career will give the money to sustain an apartment for herself.

In college, I did exactly that. Buy sharing the rend versus dorming, I shaved of 10k for one semester for a total of 8 semester for college. The college was a university that has 2 semesters per year. With rent of 700 dollars/month, I cannot afford that. But, sharing the room with another person, I could split that rent to 350. And, multiple that 350x4 (4 months/semester) is about 1300 dollars. The owner provided full heating,cooling, and internet. Amazing, isn't it? I was also working at a measly $9/hour while in college.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Being monolingual is nothing to be too proud of, you know?

One can be multi-lingual and still not speak Spanish, you know?

Very good point!

Hey, I completely agree. But if any job requires "X" language and you don't speak it, you are not qualified for it. End of story.

Tell me what language other than Spanish is required in this country for jobs that focus on US based customers and clients.

[NArocks 13]

Do you think they would go in the fields and pick the strawberries and what not? How many caucasian people do you see picking the produce?

Why do you hate strawberries?

As a matter of fact I LUV them, I used to go with my Aunt ( I was around 8 ) down to the fields in Homestead Florida and pick them dutring the season

[Niels Bohr 72]

-off topic-

Is drug dealing consider a job?

[NArocks 13]

-off topic-

Is drug dealing consider a job?

As long as you are not caught

[Marina-Del 10]

My opinions on illegal immigration have not changed in the slightest since I began this process and I'm a bit confused as to why others would have changed. Like *I think!* Scandal said, Illegal =bad, legal =good....end of story.

That being said, I do understand why illegals come to the US, but that doesn't make what they are doing good. I also understand that if all of the illegals picked up and left the US overnight that we'd have some major problems, but again, that doesn't make it good. Basically the US needs to find a way to either help illegals become legal, or find a way that the US could survive currently without any illegals (and if that's the case, then have a way to get all the illegals out!).

Tough things to do.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Tell me what language other than Spanish is required in this country for jobs that focus on US based customers and clients.

As AHZ has pointed in a previous post, Russian and Mandarin in her neighborhood. Closer to home, there's a Gujarati-English bilingual position at the local library.

[mawilson 2,133]

Tell me what language other than Spanish is required in this country for jobs that focus on US based customers and clients.

As AHZ has pointed in a previous post, Russian and Mandarin in her neighborhood. Closer to home, there's a Gujarati-English bilingual position at the local library.