billy graham ..calls Jews...'synagogue of Satan'

[Danno 1,228]

I'm still waiting for someone to provide some evidence (or even the quote) that Billy Graham said these things?

[alienlovechild 75]

I'm still waiting for someone to provide some evidence (or even the quote) that Billy Graham said these things?

There's not much evidence or they would have put it in some context. Hell, it's from 1972 so who cares? Graham apologized for his earlier remarks and he's a very old man now.

Nixon had some bad attitudes for Jews but he also helped save Israel in 1973 and took a lot of heat for it from the Arabs. His closest advisor was Kissinger.

Gotta look at their actions and not just a couple of comments in private.

Edited June 27, 2009 by alienlovechild

[Peikko 1,575]

In my eyes Billy Graham is nothing more than a money grubbing televangelist - not much in the line of 'achievement's there then.

[scandal 951]

I'm still waiting for someone to provide some evidence (or even the quote) that Billy Graham said these things?

There's not much evidence or they would have put it in some context. Hell, it's from 1972 so who cares? Graham apologized for his earlier remarks and he's a very old man now.

Nixon had some bad attitudes for Jews but he also helped save Israel in 1973 and took a lot of heat for it from the Arabs. His closest advisor was Kissinger.

Gotta look at their actions and not just a couple of comments in private.

HUH????

COME AGAIN????

Do you actually know the history of what happened during the Yom Kippur War, and the lengths Kissinger (and Nixon) went to stop Israel from pressing its advantage in the Sinai? What "help" was given by Nixon?????

[almaty 19]

graham

[scandal 951]

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Brother Dean, to be clear - the article you cite refers to a different Nixon/Graham tape recording, released in 2002. That one caused a similarly strong reaction to the one released now in 2009. Back in 2002, Graham publicly apologized for his remarks on the tape, and his apology was accepted by Abraham Foxman and the ADL.

Here is a link to USA Today, containing citations and discussion of the tape released this week with the "synagogue of Satan" reference.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009...ham-tapes_N.htm

[HAL 9000 96]

Well, I get over it quite quickly - I guess I just can't understand how so many people find it entertaining on a day by day basis. That kind of thing just gets really old, really quickly to me. I know I have my media biases, like everyone, but having people shout at me all day, trying to get me pumped up with outrage over every little thing, just too exhausting altogether for my taste.

And yet people are that suggestible. Sounds Star Wars-ish with feeble mindedness and all that.

It's a hard balance to achieve really - and largely it is done although I do wish that something could be done to tone down the vitriol of shock jocks sometimes but hey ho.

Insert Obama Marcism here.

I set my Apple computer along side my IBM PC, whether they liked it or not, but not sure if I should also set my HAL-9000 ( a clone) along side of those two.

Honored... but to avoid confusion you should redesignate your 9000 to SAL 9000. Its light is blue.

And has a female voice... might be more appropriate for those 1:1 moments...

graham

Brother Dean, to be clear - the article you cite refers to a different Nixon/Graham tape recording, released in 2002. That one caused a similarly strong reaction to the one released now in 2009. Back in 2002, Graham publicly apologized for his remarks on the tape, and his apology was accepted by Abraham Foxman and the ADL.

Here is a link to USA Today, containing citations and discussion of the tape released this week with the "synagogue of Satan" reference.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009...ham-tapes_N.htm

Dayum. Where's the 'God Daaaaaaaaaaaam America' Hysteria crowd on this one?

[SuperDuper! 230]

In my eyes Billy Graham is nothing more than a money grubbing televangelist - not much in the line of 'achievement's there then.

Yea, he never did anything good. Just after the big dinero!

[alienlovechild 75]

I'm still waiting for someone to provide some evidence (or even the quote) that Billy Graham said these things?

There's not much evidence or they would have put it in some context. Hell, it's from 1972 so who cares? Graham apologized for his earlier remarks and he's a very old man now.

Nixon had some bad attitudes for Jews but he also helped save Israel in 1973 and took a lot of heat for it from the Arabs. His closest advisor was Kissinger.

Gotta look at their actions and not just a couple of comments in private.

HUH????

COME AGAIN????

Do you actually know the history of what happened during the Yom Kippur War, and the lengths Kissinger (and Nixon) went to stop Israel from pressing its advantage in the Sinai? What "help" was given by Nixon?????

Nixon sent a huge supply of weapons to Israel during the Yom Kippur War and the U.S. took a big hit from the OPEC embargo starting the first energy crisis which cripple the U.S. economy.

On commencement of hostilities, American leaders expected the tide of the war to quickly shift in favor of the better-equipped IDF and that Arab armies would be completely defeated within 72 to 96 hours.[104] American supplies to Israel until then had consisted of ammunition, particularly AT and AA ammunition.[105] It became clear however by October 9 that no such quick reversal would occur, and that IDF losses were unexpectedly high.[52]

On the afternoon of October 7, an alarmed Dayan told Meir that "this is the end of the third temple." "Temple" referred to the State of Israel, but was also the code word for nuclear weapons. Meir on 8 October authorized the assembling of 13 20-kiloton atomic bombs. Nuclear-capable Jericho missiles at Hirbat Zachariah and F-4s at Tel Nof were prepared for action against Syrian and Egyptian targets.[106] Kissinger was notified of the nuclear alert on the morning of 9 October. That day, President Nixon ordered the commencement of Operation Nickel Grass, an American airlift to replace all of Israel's material losses.[107] Anecdotal evidence suggests that Kissinger told Sadat that the reason for the U.S. airlift was that the Israelis were close to "going nuclear."[106]

Israel began receiving supplies on October 13, although, some equipment, such as the TOW missiles had arrived before October 11. According to Abraham Rabinovich, "while the American airlift of supplies did not immediately replace Israel's losses in equipment, it did allow Israel to expend what it did have more freely".[108] By the end of Nickel Grass, the United States had shipped 22,395 tons of matériel to Israel. The Israeli National Airline El Al took part in the airlift and flew 5,500 tons of materiel. Among the supplies sent to Israel were state of the art equipment, such as the AGM-65 Maverick missile and the BGM-71 TOW, which had only entered production three years prior, as well as highly advanced electronic jamming equipment, along with US Army instructors to rapidly train IDF forces in the use of these weapons.[109][110]

The United States also conducted its own seaborne supply operation, delivering 33,210 tons to Israel by October 30.[111]

Egyptian commanders note that on October 13 and on October 15, air defense radars had detected an aircraft with an altitude of 25,000 meters and a speed of Mach 3, making it impossible to intercept the plane either by fighter or SAM missiles. The aircraft proceeded to cross the whole of the canal zone, the naval ports of the Red Sea (Hurghada and Safaga), flew over the airbases and air defenses in the Nile delta and finally disappeared from the radar screens over the Mediterranean Sea. The speed and altitude were those of the US SR-71 Blackbird, a long range strategic reconnaissance aircraft. According to Egyptian commanders, the intelligence provided by both reconnaissance flights helped the Israelis prepare for the Egyptian attack on October 14, and assisted it in conducting Operation Stouthearted Men."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Edited June 28, 2009 by alienlovechild

[scandal 951]

I'm still waiting for someone to provide some evidence (or even the quote) that Billy Graham said these things?

There's not much evidence or they would have put it in some context. Hell, it's from 1972 so who cares? Graham apologized for his earlier remarks and he's a very old man now.

Nixon had some bad attitudes for Jews but he also helped save Israel in 1973 and took a lot of heat for it from the Arabs. His closest advisor was Kissinger.

Gotta look at their actions and not just a couple of comments in private.

HUH????

COME AGAIN????

Do you actually know the history of what happened during the Yom Kippur War, and the lengths Kissinger (and Nixon) went to stop Israel from pressing its advantage in the Sinai? What "help" was given by Nixon?????

Nixon sent a huge supply of weapons to Israel during the Yom Kippur War and the U.S. took a big hit from the OPEC embargo starting the first energy crisis which cripple the U.S. economy.

On commencement of hostilities, American leaders expected the tide of the war to quickly shift in favor of the better-equipped IDF and that Arab armies would be completely defeated within 72 to 96 hours.[104] American supplies to Israel until then had consisted of ammunition, particularly AT and AA ammunition.[105] It became clear however by October 9 that no such quick reversal would occur, and that IDF losses were unexpectedly high.[52]

On the afternoon of October 7, an alarmed Dayan told Meir that "this is the end of the third temple." "Temple" referred to the State of Israel, but was also the code word for nuclear weapons. Meir on 8 October authorized the assembling of 13 20-kiloton atomic bombs. Nuclear-capable Jericho missiles at Hirbat Zachariah and F-4s at Tel Nof were prepared for action against Syrian and Egyptian targets.[106] Kissinger was notified of the nuclear alert on the morning of 9 October. That day, President Nixon ordered the commencement of Operation Nickel Grass, an American airlift to replace all of Israel's material losses.[107] Anecdotal evidence suggests that Kissinger told Sadat that the reason for the U.S. airlift was that the Israelis were close to "going nuclear."[106]

Israel began receiving supplies on October 13, although, some equipment, such as the TOW missiles had arrived before October 11. According to Abraham Rabinovich, "while the American airlift of supplies did not immediately replace Israel's losses in equipment, it did allow Israel to expend what it did have more freely".[108] By the end of Nickel Grass, the United States had shipped 22,395 tons of matériel to Israel. The Israeli National Airline El Al took part in the airlift and flew 5,500 tons of materiel. Among the supplies sent to Israel were state of the art equipment, such as the AGM-65 Maverick missile and the BGM-71 TOW, which had only entered production three years prior, as well as highly advanced electronic jamming equipment, along with US Army instructors to rapidly train IDF forces in the use of these weapons.[109][110]

The United States also conducted its own seaborne supply operation, delivering 33,210 tons to Israel by October 30.[111]

Egyptian commanders note that on October 13 and on October 15, air defense radars had detected an aircraft with an altitude of 25,000 meters and a speed of Mach 3, making it impossible to intercept the plane either by fighter or SAM missiles. The aircraft proceeded to cross the whole of the canal zone, the naval ports of the Red Sea (Hurghada and Safaga), flew over the airbases and air defenses in the Nile delta and finally disappeared from the radar screens over the Mediterranean Sea. The speed and altitude were those of the US SR-71 Blackbird, a long range strategic reconnaissance aircraft. According to Egyptian commanders, the intelligence provided by both reconnaissance flights helped the Israelis prepare for the Egyptian attack on October 14, and assisted it in conducting Operation Stouthearted Men."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

I'm prepared to do something here I don't often see done on VJ.

I'll back down and eat a big chunk of humble pie.

You are quite right ALC - significant military aid was given by the US during the Yom Kippur war to Israel.

My reaction was based on the very widespread feeling in Israel that the US actively thwarted Israel's pressing its military advantage at the conclusion of the war to once and for all deal a decisive knock out blow. The US had its own reasons for doing so - particularly US/Soviet relations.

Here, from the same Wikipedia article you cite, regarding the trapped Egyptian army in the Sinai:

The next morning, October 23, a flurry of diplomatic activity occurred. Soviet reconnaissance flights had confirmed that Israeli forces were moving south, and the Soviets accused the Israelis of treachery. In a phone call with Golda Meir, Henry Kissinger asked, "How can anyone ever know where a line is or was in the desert?" Meir responded, "They'll know, all right." Kissinger found out about the trapped Egyptian army shortly thereafter.[124]

Kissinger realized the situation presented the United States with a tremendous opportunity—Egypt was totally dependent on the United States to prevent Israel from destroying its trapped army, which now had no access to food or water. The position could be parlayed later into allowing the United States to mediate the dispute, and push Egypt out of Soviet influence.

As a result, the United States exerted tremendous pressure on the Israelis to refrain from destroying the trapped army, even threatening to support a UN resolution to force the Israelis to pull back to their October 22 positions if they did not allow non-military supplies to reach the army. In a phone call with Israeli ambassador Simcha Dinitz, Kissinger told the ambassador that the destruction of the Egyptian Third Army "is an option that does not exist."[125] Despite being surrounded however, the Third Army managed to maintain its combat integrity east of the canal and keep up its defensive positions.[126]

Notwithstanding ....

here's me munching on

[alienlovechild 75]

I'm prepared to do something here I don't often see done on VJ.

I'll back down and eat a big chunk of humble pie.

You are quite right ALC - significant military aid was given by the US during the Yom Kippur war to Israel.

You're truly a better man than most posters if you can admit some faults. Mensch.