billy graham ..calls Jews...'synagogue of Satan'

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Ok, take it like that

It was a serious question. I've heard of lapsed Catholics... don't go to Confession, don't attend Mass, use birth control....

I've heard of cafeteria Catholics, picking and choosing amongst the doctrines that please them.

I'm guessing you mean something like that?

Sorry...I'm just not sure where the Church would place me if it knew my views.

On the highway to Hell, with AC/DC blasting from the speakers!

LOL...nah, but they probably would want to put me in a comfy chair and have me renounce my heresy.

They would perform an exorcism to make your support of teh gheyz be expelled!

[scandal 951]

Ok, take it like that

It was a serious question. I've heard of lapsed Catholics... don't go to Confession, don't attend Mass, use birth control....

I've heard of cafeteria Catholics, picking and choosing amongst the doctrines that please them.

I'm guessing you mean something like that?

Sorry...I'm just not sure where the Church would place me if it knew my views.

On the highway to Hell, with AC/DC blasting from the speakers!

LOL...nah, but they probably would want to put me in a comfy chair and have me renounce my heresy.

They would perform an exorcism to make your support of teh gheyz be expelled!

Worse, they would try to exorcise his beliefs in global warming and librulizm

[Peikko 1,575]

I think it's safe to say Colonel, that you are not a Catholic.

[Amby 490]

It is true..allot of folks I grew up with ..had a bias towards Jews (and others) but were pro israel because of the scriptures...

understood..that their beliefs are relevant to them...i would hope one day that the same folks would be at peace with the people from that country

growing up there was 1 kid in my grade who was jewish. a lot of other kids weren't even allowed to be friends with him because of it. his parents invited tons of people to his bar mitzvah to try to get them to give their kid a chance. it was kinda sad. he's quite successful now for his age. at least he can turn his nose up at them now

I think it's safe to say Colonel, that you are not a Catholic.

I don't blame him, Catholic makes no sense to me. I don't understand the point of all those Catechism (sp) classes and such. I thought spirituality was supposed to be between you and whatever thing it is you believe in, not how many Hail Marys you can say.

[Peikko 1,575]

I didn't grow up in that kind of atmosphere, at all. I don't remember one conversation as a kid based on the ideas of religious adherence.

I did live for a long time where such things were meant to be prevalent, but strangely, amongst the people I knew it wasn't associating with other people that was the problem, it was a much deeper, darker thing really and totally inexplicable sadly. People do a lot of things without really knowing on what basis they are doing them. That is the truest scandal of all.

[NickD 203]

1973 conversation between President Nixon and evangelist Billy Graham about Jews, laden with critical references including a Biblical verse on the "synagogue of Satan," has put the aging, frail Graham back in unwelcome headlines.

The conversation is part of newly-released secretly recorded tapes from the Nixon presidency, from the U.S. National Archives in College Park, Md., and the Richard Nixon Presidential Library in Yorba Linda, Calif. A sampling of more than 150 hours of tape recordings and 30,000 pages of documents from two months in 1973 were made public Tuesday (download at Nixon.archives.gov/National Archives), culled from 4,000 hours of taped meetings and phone calls in a two-year period.

An earlier release of tapes in 2002 shocked fans of Graham, who is heard agreeing with Nixon as the president rails against liberal Jews' political activism and media clout. Graham tells Nixon how Jews befriend him but adds, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."

FAITH & REASON: What does 'synagogue of Satan' really mean?

On Wednesday, as he did in 2002, Graham's longtime spokesman A. Larry Ross said Graham has never been an anti-Semite and that the remarks should be understood in context, as part of a conversation with the president.

FIND MORE STORIES IN: Richard Nixon | Anti-Defamation League | Billy Graham | Golda Meir | Abraham Foxman | American Jewish Committee | National Archives and Records Administration

In 2002, Graham said he had no recollection of such remarks but apologized deeply for any offense they may have caused. Now, Graham, 90, and still mobile with a walker, is no longer doing media interviews, although he sent a message of greeting to a meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention, underway in Louisville.

The 1973 transcript is a wide-ranging conversation between Graham and Nixon in which Graham heaps praise on the president, telling him "Congratulations on everything," and "I believe the Lord is with you."

Nixon raises the news that Israel had mistakenly shot down a Libyan civilian airliner, killing all on board. Nixon says, "What I really think is, deep down in this country, there is a lot of anti-Semitism, and all this is going to do is stir it up."

Graham agrees that it will push anti-Semitism "right to the top." Then he turns the conversation to a report he read somewhere that Israel supposedly wants to "expel all the Christians." Graham mentions Jewish opposition to a Christian evangelical unified campaign, saying Jews are "going right after the church."

He also mentions an upcoming meeting with the interreligious affairs director of the American Jewish Committee, the late Rabbi Marc Tanenbaum. In 1977, the organization honored Graham, saying, according to Graham biographer William Martin, that "most of the progress of Protestant-Jewish relations over the past quarter century was due to Billy Graham."

In 1973, Graham calls Tanenbaum the "cleverest and most brilliant" of the rabbis.

Nixon mentions an upcoming dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, and Graham, who said in earlier taped conversations that Israelis were the best kind of Jews, now brings up a biblical reference to the dense and difficult final book of the Bible, Revelation, which says in verse 3:9 that there are those who claim to be Jews who are liars, and that they belong to a "synagogue of Satan."

This is a prophetic book by John the apostle who, like Christ, was Jewish.

Anti-Defamation League director Abraham Foxman on Wednesday blasted both Nixon and Graham, saying that, "while never expressing these views in public, Rev. Graham unabashedly held forth with the president with age-old classical anti-Semitic canards."

But Ross says the "synagogue of Satan" phrase in the Book of Revelation actually refers to anyone whose "lives and work are not in keeping with traditional Jewish values."

And why not, the Jews killed Jesus and Jesus was an American. Least according to some Christians I have met.

Ha, got kicked off a Christian board for calling Jesus a Jew, and you dare don't quote scripture where Jesus said he came here to teach and to die for our sins. And certainly the Son of God had the power to completely wipe out the Jews and the Romans, even said so and has an army of angels to that, but that is not his mission.

Of course, I could wonder what kind of dad I would be if I asked my one and only son to be crucified and that would make me happy because some of the kids at his school were naughty. And that would be what it takes for me to reopen the gates of heaven.

I read all this stuff, just makes my head spin. Guess I need faith.

[Amby 490]

I didn't grow up in that kind of atmosphere, at all. I don't remember one conversation as a kid based on the ideas of religious adherence.

I did live for a long time where such things were meant to be prevalent, but strangely, amongst the people I knew it wasn't associating with other people that was the problem, it was a much deeper, darker thing really and totally inexplicable sadly. People do a lot of things without really knowing on what basis they are doing them. That is the truest scandal of all.

I grew up pretty much in the bible belt. I never had any people in my class that weren't caucasian until I was in grade 7. This area has since grown with different ethnicities, but only in the past 10yrs or so. A lot of that had to do with Toyota opening a plant here.

I really think everyone was pretty religious. It was the "cool" thing to go to youth group and be a youth group leader whenever you were in high school. There's a group called YoungLife that's really popular still. Religion is big around here.

[Peikko 1,575]

Religion maybe, but spirituality? Seems more doubtful.

Still doesn't stop young kids ending up making daft decisions though, grrrrrrrrrr

[Nik+Heather 121]

I don't blame him, Catholic makes no sense to me. I don't understand the point of all those Catechism (sp) classes and such. I thought spirituality was supposed to be between you and whatever thing it is you believe in, not how many Hail Marys you can say.

I went to Catholic school (I'm not Catholic), and I was raised protestant. I think that the Church has changed quite a lot recently (compared to 2000 years of existence), but they haven't seemed to out grow these Hollywood ideas that all they do is say dozens of prayers by rote to absolve themselves.

The differences, I felt, were these Catechism classes etc. The Catholics feel like there is value in having one teaching, and educating their followers such that they can logically follow the religion. There's also a lot of modern, every day decisions that the Bible doesn't cover at all, and some people like to have an authority to set down the rules not covered. As opposed to the church I was raised in where it was very individualized, with no "right" way to worship (But there were a hell of a lot of wrong ways!!). Each way fills a particular need. Some people aren't very creative, and like the familiarity of all the ritual.

Anyway, sorry to derail.

I went to a Bat Mitzvah for a girl I knew around that age, and I don't recall there being much difficulty in terms of finding people to attend, and my religious, Christian mother didn't say anything to us like she thought we would be tainted or anything. I was intrigued by the completely different set of rituals they had, and found it very interesting.... and the reception after....I'd never been to any wedding receptions before and I thought it was a blast!

[Peikko 1,575]

The best religious 'service' I ever attended was quaker. They don't have a hierarchy as such. I thought that was very liberating.

[almaty 19]

1973 conversation between President Nixon and evangelist Billy Graham about Jews, laden with critical references including a Biblical verse on the "synagogue of Satan," has put the aging, frail Graham back in unwelcome headlines.

The conversation is part of newly-released secretly recorded tapes from the Nixon presidency, from the U.S. National Archives in College Park, Md., and the Richard Nixon Presidential Library in Yorba Linda, Calif. A sampling of more than 150 hours of tape recordings and 30,000 pages of documents from two months in 1973 were made public Tuesday (download at Nixon.archives.gov/National Archives), culled from 4,000 hours of taped meetings and phone calls in a two-year period.

An earlier release of tapes in 2002 shocked fans of Graham, who is heard agreeing with Nixon as the president rails against liberal Jews' political activism and media clout. Graham tells Nixon how Jews befriend him but adds, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."

FAITH & REASON: What does 'synagogue of Satan' really mean?

On Wednesday, as he did in 2002, Graham's longtime spokesman A. Larry Ross said Graham has never been an anti-Semite and that the remarks should be understood in context, as part of a conversation with the president.

FIND MORE STORIES IN: Richard Nixon | Anti-Defamation League | Billy Graham | Golda Meir | Abraham Foxman | American Jewish Committee | National Archives and Records Administration

In 2002, Graham said he had no recollection of such remarks but apologized deeply for any offense they may have caused. Now, Graham, 90, and still mobile with a walker, is no longer doing media interviews, although he sent a message of greeting to a meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention, underway in Louisville.

The 1973 transcript is a wide-ranging conversation between Graham and Nixon in which Graham heaps praise on the president, telling him "Congratulations on everything," and "I believe the Lord is with you."

Nixon raises the news that Israel had mistakenly shot down a Libyan civilian airliner, killing all on board. Nixon says, "What I really think is, deep down in this country, there is a lot of anti-Semitism, and all this is going to do is stir it up."

Graham agrees that it will push anti-Semitism "right to the top." Then he turns the conversation to a report he read somewhere that Israel supposedly wants to "expel all the Christians." Graham mentions Jewish opposition to a Christian evangelical unified campaign, saying Jews are "going right after the church."

He also mentions an upcoming meeting with the interreligious affairs director of the American Jewish Committee, the late Rabbi Marc Tanenbaum. In 1977, the organization honored Graham, saying, according to Graham biographer William Martin, that "most of the progress of Protestant-Jewish relations over the past quarter century was due to Billy Graham."

In 1973, Graham calls Tanenbaum the "cleverest and most brilliant" of the rabbis.

Nixon mentions an upcoming dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, and Graham, who said in earlier taped conversations that Israelis were the best kind of Jews, now brings up a biblical reference to the dense and difficult final book of the Bible, Revelation, which says in verse 3:9 that there are those who claim to be Jews who are liars, and that they belong to a "synagogue of Satan."

This is a prophetic book by John the apostle who, like Christ, was Jewish.

Anti-Defamation League director Abraham Foxman on Wednesday blasted both Nixon and Graham, saying that, "while never expressing these views in public, Rev. Graham unabashedly held forth with the president with age-old classical anti-Semitic canards."

But Ross says the "synagogue of Satan" phrase in the Book of Revelation actually refers to anyone whose "lives and work are not in keeping with traditional Jewish values."

And why not, the Jews killed Jesus and Jesus was an American. Least according to some Christians I have met.

Ha, got kicked off a Christian board for calling Jesus a Jew, and you dare don't quote scripture where Jesus said he came here to teach and to die for our sins. And certainly the Son of God had the power to completely wipe out the Jews and the Romans, even said so and has an army of angels to that, but that is not his mission.

Of course, I could wonder what kind of dad I would be if I asked my one and only son to be crucified and that would make me happy because some of the kids at his school were naughty. And that would be what it takes for me to reopen the gates of heaven.

I read all this stuff, just makes my head spin. Guess I need faith.

great post of the day

[Amby 490]

I don't blame him, Catholic makes no sense to me. I don't understand the point of all those Catechism (sp) classes and such. I thought spirituality was supposed to be between you and whatever thing it is you believe in, not how many Hail Marys you can say.

I went to Catholic school (I'm not Catholic), and I was raised protestant. I think that the Church has changed quite a lot recently (compared to 2000 years of existence), but they haven't seemed to out grow these Hollywood ideas that all they do is say dozens of prayers by rote to absolve themselves.

The differences, I felt, were these Catechism classes etc. The Catholics feel like there is value in having one teaching, and educating their followers such that they can logically follow the religion. There's also a lot of modern, every day decisions that the Bible doesn't cover at all, and some people like to have an authority to set down the rules not covered. As opposed to the church I was raised in where it was very individualized, with no "right" way to worship (But there were a hell of a lot of wrong ways!!). Each way fills a particular need. Some people aren't very creative, and like the familiarity of all the ritual.

Anyway, sorry to derail.

I went to a Bat Mitzvah for a girl I knew around that age, and I don't recall there being much difficulty in terms of finding people to attend, and my religious, Christian mother didn't say anything to us like she thought we would be tainted or anything. I was intrigued by the completely different set of rituals they had, and found it very interesting.... and the reception after....I'd never been to any wedding receptions before and I thought it was a blast!

The ones in my family are still very into all the prayers and the saying of the roseary. If they're not a priest or nun, they have 8-10 kids. Seriously.

I find all of the Jewish traditions/rituals very interesting.

[panamania79 2]

1973 conversation between President Nixon and evangelist Billy Graham about Jews, laden with critical references including a Biblical verse on the "synagogue of Satan," has put the aging, frail Graham back in unwelcome headlines.

The conversation is part of newly-released secretly recorded tapes from the Nixon presidency, from the U.S. National Archives in College Park, Md., and the Richard Nixon Presidential Library in Yorba Linda, Calif. A sampling of more than 150 hours of tape recordings and 30,000 pages of documents from two months in 1973 were made public Tuesday (download at Nixon.archives.gov/National Archives), culled from 4,000 hours of taped meetings and phone calls in a two-year period.

An earlier release of tapes in 2002 shocked fans of Graham, who is heard agreeing with Nixon as the president rails against liberal Jews' political activism and media clout. Graham tells Nixon how Jews befriend him but adds, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."

FAITH & REASON: What does 'synagogue of Satan' really mean?

On Wednesday, as he did in 2002, Graham's longtime spokesman A. Larry Ross said Graham has never been an anti-Semite and that the remarks should be understood in context, as part of a conversation with the president.

FIND MORE STORIES IN: Richard Nixon | Anti-Defamation League | Billy Graham | Golda Meir | Abraham Foxman | American Jewish Committee | National Archives and Records Administration

In 2002, Graham said he had no recollection of such remarks but apologized deeply for any offense they may have caused. Now, Graham, 90, and still mobile with a walker, is no longer doing media interviews, although he sent a message of greeting to a meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention, underway in Louisville.

The 1973 transcript is a wide-ranging conversation between Graham and Nixon in which Graham heaps praise on the president, telling him "Congratulations on everything," and "I believe the Lord is with you."

Nixon raises the news that Israel had mistakenly shot down a Libyan civilian airliner, killing all on board. Nixon says, "What I really think is, deep down in this country, there is a lot of anti-Semitism, and all this is going to do is stir it up."

Graham agrees that it will push anti-Semitism "right to the top." Then he turns the conversation to a report he read somewhere that Israel supposedly wants to "expel all the Christians." Graham mentions Jewish opposition to a Christian evangelical unified campaign, saying Jews are "going right after the church."

He also mentions an upcoming meeting with the interreligious affairs director of the American Jewish Committee, the late Rabbi Marc Tanenbaum. In 1977, the organization honored Graham, saying, according to Graham biographer William Martin, that "most of the progress of Protestant-Jewish relations over the past quarter century was due to Billy Graham."

In 1973, Graham calls Tanenbaum the "cleverest and most brilliant" of the rabbis.

Nixon mentions an upcoming dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, and Graham, who said in earlier taped conversations that Israelis were the best kind of Jews, now brings up a biblical reference to the dense and difficult final book of the Bible, Revelation, which says in verse 3:9 that there are those who claim to be Jews who are liars, and that they belong to a "synagogue of Satan."

This is a prophetic book by John the apostle who, like Christ, was Jewish.

Anti-Defamation League director Abraham Foxman on Wednesday blasted both Nixon and Graham, saying that, "while never expressing these views in public, Rev. Graham unabashedly held forth with the president with age-old classical anti-Semitic canards."

But Ross says the "synagogue of Satan" phrase in the Book of Revelation actually refers to anyone whose "lives and work are not in keeping with traditional Jewish values."

[BishopMnA 0]

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I'm semi-Catholic and I think Fundamentalists of all faiths are in for a big surprise at God's Banquet. They'll all be saying, "Who invited them?"

This is correct!

Peace,

MarkNAAm

[Danno 1,228]

I didn't grow up in that kind of atmosphere, at all. I don't remember one conversation as a kid based on the ideas of religious adherence.

I did live for a long time where such things were meant to be prevalent, but strangely, amongst the people I knew it wasn't associating with other people that was the problem, it was a much deeper, darker thing really and totally inexplicable sadly. People do a lot of things without really knowing on what basis they are doing them. That is the truest scandal of all.

I grew up pretty much in the bible belt. I never had any people in my class that weren't caucasian until I was in grade 7. This area has since grown with different ethnicities, but only in the past 10yrs or so. A lot of that had to do with Toyota opening a plant here.

I really think everyone was pretty religious. It was the "cool" thing to go to youth group and be a youth group leader whenever you were in high school. There's a group called YoungLife that's really popular still. Religion is big around here.

I think in the North-East it is fair to say most people don't talk about religion. I knew a few kids that were Catholic from Church but it was generally a non-topic.

I recall in lunch one day (middle school) a class mate stopped by my table for a moment and when he walked away, someone mentioned "Do you know he is a Jew" to those sitting at the table.

I remember trying to understand.... "why he would say it like that?"

I'm sure there are Jew-haters about as you seem them on the internet but I doubt there are alot in this country, I don't recall ever knowing one person who expressed a dislike for jews.