Welcome To The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Not fantasy in Canada - I was actively involved with several multicultural communities and assisted a number of immigrants in their process of coming to Canada when I worked as an assistant to a Member of Parliament. First Nations are still undergoing problems, yes, but their concerns seem to garner far more serious attention in Canada than in the US - and yes, I was involved in First Nations issues as well. You make a good point though that the immigrants also have to be tolerant of the differences they encounter among their new neighbours. Part of what is necessary to make multiculturalism work is a mutual sharing and agreement to try and understand the other's perspective. It can't be one-sided.

Edited June 23, 2009 by Kathryn41

[Danno 1,228]

Interestingly, most of what is described in that article - multiculturalism, diversity, dual nationality, support for ethnicity, celebration of cultural backgrounds - is how Canada approaches immigration and multiculturalism - a country that has successfully married two major cultural backgrounds and languages (although yes there are occasional internal squabbles), as well as has a racial profile that reflects the racial composition of the rest of the world - without the problems US has - or believes it has - with immigrants becoming part of the dominant culture.

Multiculturalism and diversity work and there are successful examples in the rest of the world. US has always described itself as a 'melting pot' and that is its approach to assimilation. It seems fearful of anything or anyone that looks different or sounds different or behaves different. Much of its approach to immigration - both legal and illegal - is strongly fear based and irrational. Canada prides itself on being a 'cultural mosaic' and feels stronger and blessed because of the many strengths brought to the country by its immigrant citizens.

A melting pot reduces everything within... into one and the same.

What we have is a "pot of stew" situation ..... quite a bit different.

Also Immigration of yesterday was primarily an influx of Europe. Immigration today is truly "diverse" with large number of people arriving who have never even lived in a first-world country.

Most uneducated and coming from cultures quite different from ours.

If they were arriving in small numbers the "melting pot" would do it's work but as we have seen, large and steady stream has enabled isolated communities to form.

Now it might be, an America with many cultures will do just fine, but if not, what do we do then?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Dorf 's world history tells us:

Wow, Dorf wrote a book on world history?

Ohhhh... you mean the minor historian Philip Dorf. My bad.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Interestingly, most of what is described in that article - multiculturalism, diversity, dual nationality, support for ethnicity, celebration of cultural backgrounds - is how Canada approaches immigration and multiculturalism - a country that has successfully married two major cultural backgrounds and languages (although yes there are occasional internal squabbles), as well as has a racial profile that reflects the racial composition of the rest of the world - without the problems US has - or believes it has - with immigrants becoming part of the dominant culture.

Multiculturalism and diversity work and there are successful examples in the rest of the world. US has always described itself as a 'melting pot' and that is its approach to assimilation. It seems fearful of anything or anyone that looks different or sounds different or behaves different. Much of its approach to immigration - both legal and illegal - is strongly fear based and irrational. Canada prides itself on being a 'cultural mosaic' and feels stronger and blessed because of the many strengths brought to the country by its immigrant citizens.

A melting pot reduces everything within... into one and the same.

What we have is a "pot of stew" situation ..... quite a bit different.

Also Immigration of yesterday was primarily an influx of Europe. Immigration today is truly "diverse" with large number of people arriving who have never even lived in a first-world country.

Most uneducated and coming from cultures quite different from ours.

If they were arriving in small numbers the "melting pot" would do it's work but as we have seen, large and steady stream has enabled isolated communities to form.

Now it might be, an America with many cultures will do just fine, but if not, what do we do then?

Immigrants have forever been 'about to destroy America.' This is not new, it is an old theme, and the results continue to discredit those who espouse them. Much as there has been, throughout history, the ongoing theme of 'the next generation will destroy us.' Also with the results being the opposite.

I am no fan of illegal immigration, but in the long run, America will be fine. I for one choose to ignore the current 'brown scare' tactics.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I am no fan of illegal immigration, but in the long run, America will be fine. I for one choose to ignore the current 'brown scare' tactics.

On what basis have you decided that America will be fine? "Brown scare" is just a pc diversion to intimidate people into silence about illegals; part of that White guilt pc #######. There's no "brown scare" to be ignored. That the most illegals and most vocally demanding illegals are from the south doesn't constitute a "brown scare" when their illegality is opposed. I'm brown and I'm not scary except if I would invade your home, then I doubt that you would ignore me or those who come to your aid due to skin color.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I am no fan of illegal immigration, but in the long run, America will be fine. I for one choose to ignore the current 'brown scare' tactics.

On what basis have you decided that America will be fine? "Brown scare" is just a pc diversion to intimidate people into silence about illegals; part of that White guilt pc #######. There's no "brown scare" to be ignored. That the most illegals and most vocally demanding illegals are from the south doesn't constitute a "brown scare" when their illegality is opposed. I'm brown and I'm not scary except if I would invade your home, then I doubt that you would ignore me or those who come to your aid due to skin color.

On the basis of things tending to turn out fine over time... I believe in this country, apparently you don't?

I don't suffer from 'White guilt pc #######' and if you do a little research you will see that every immigrant group has had those who would claim their very existence in the USA would cause its demise.

For fun lets start our history lesson in 1882 with the Yellow Scare, and Congress passing the Chinese Immigration Act. Remember for fun that it was not until 1952 that Congress finally got it's last law off the books regarding allowing Asian's to become US Citizens...

Prior to that, persons who's sentiments expressed were not unlike yours, were against not brown people, but... gasp, the Irish! The 1840's and 50's were awash with anti-Irish sentiments. So much so a political party called the Republicans... errrr... the Know Nothings came into being and power.

After that you have the Red Scare of the late teen's early 1920's with fear of Russian immigrants, again, not brown, but again those who spoke like you figured they would inevitably 'destroy the fabric of this great nation!' The list goes on and on, your kind is a broken record...

"I'm brown and I'm not scary except if I would invade your home, then I doubt that you would ignore me or those who come to your aid due to skin color."

I don't even know what that last sentence means so can't figure out a response!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I am no fan of illegal immigration, but in the long run, America will be fine. I for one choose to ignore the current 'brown scare' tactics.

On what basis have you decided that America will be fine? "Brown scare" is just a pc diversion to intimidate people into silence about illegals; part of that White guilt pc #######. There's no "brown scare" to be ignored. That the most illegals and most vocally demanding illegals are from the south doesn't constitute a "brown scare" when their illegality is opposed. I'm brown and I'm not scary except if I would invade your home, then I doubt that you would ignore me or those who come to your aid due to skin color.

On the basis of things tending to turn out fine over time... I believe in this country, apparently you don't?

I don't suffer from 'White guilt pc #######' and if you do a little research you will see that every immigrant group has had those who would claim their very existence in the USA would cause its demise.

For fun lets start our history lesson in 1882 with the Yellow Scare, and Congress passing the Chinese Immigration Act. Remember for fun that it was not until 1952 that Congress finally got it's last law off the books regarding allowing Asian's to become US Citizens...

Prior to that, persons who's sentiments expressed were not unlike yours, were against not brown people, but... gasp, the Irish! The 1840's and 50's were awash with anti-Irish sentiments. So much so a political party called the Republicans... errrr... the Know Nothings came into being and power.

After that you have the Red Scare of the late teen's early 1920's with fear of Russian immigrants, again, not brown, but again those who spoke like you figured they would inevitably 'destroy the fabric of this great nation!' The list goes on and on, your kind is a broken record...

"I'm brown and I'm not scary except if I would invade your home, then I doubt that you would ignore me or those who come to your aid due to skin color."

I don't even know what that last sentence means so can't figure out a response!

On the basis of things tending to turn out fine over time... I believe in this country, apparently you don't?

I don't believe this country can't go the way of Rome due to complacency. It's not the 1880s anymore, it's 2009 and we have tremendous budget shortfalls, growing unemployment, huge trade deficits, a declining standard of living, and burgeoning debt. Much of that debt has been caused by lenient treatment and coddling of illegals, with taxpayers forced to pay for their education, welfare, and health care.

Your kind is a broken record in that you "ignore" the welfare of the country while tossing off warnings as scare tactics based on race. And you're proud of that kind of apathy. I don't understand that, but it must be so very convenient to be able to ignore real problems while pigeonholing and smearing those who don't ignore it as racists and xenophobes.

[justashooter 430]

Interestingly, most of what is described in that article - multiculturalism, diversity, dual nationality, support for ethnicity, celebration of cultural backgrounds - is how Canada approaches immigration and multiculturalism - a country that has successfully married two major cultural backgrounds and languages (although yes there are occasional internal squabbles), as well as has a racial profile that reflects the racial composition of the rest of the world - without the problems US has - or believes it has - with immigrants becoming part of the dominant culture.

Multiculturalism and diversity work and there are successful examples in the rest of the world. US has always described itself as a 'melting pot' and that is its approach to assimilation. It seems fearful of anything or anyone that looks different or sounds different or behaves different. Much of its approach to immigration - both legal and illegal - is strongly fear based and irrational. Canada prides itself on being a 'cultural mosaic' and feels stronger and blessed because of the many strengths brought to the country by its immigrant citizens.

multi-culturalism can work in an educated community. most immigrants to canada in the past 30 years have been college graduates or skilled labourers from asia, the indian sub-continent, or eastern europe. these people all had marketable skills before they arrived, and paid their own way. they have added to the stability of the state by creating economic growth and tax revenue, and just about all of the immigrants i have met from quebec to alberta have been comfortable speaking english (yes, i have worked extensively in canada).

the USA, in contrast, has been invaded by an uneducated population that refuses to speak english, refuses to work, has little marketable skills, doesn't pay taxes, and doesn't pay for services rendered. entire states are going broke supporting these people, and jails are full of them because of their lack of respect for the law. they are in jail for DUI, rape, robbery, assault, kidnapping, drug trafficking, etc. 30% of the people in federal prisons nationwide are illegal mexicans, and 90% of the people on the most wanted list (heinous crimes) in california are illegal mexicans.

we don't mind legal immigrants that contribute to society. we just don't like the leaches that come here illegally, no matter what color they are. we don't give white illegals or leaches a buy either, so don't call us racist.

[Staashi 371]

Also Immigration of yesterday was primarily an influx of Europe. Immigration today is truly "diverse" with large number of people arriving who have never even lived in a first-world country.

Most uneducated and coming from cultures quite different from ours.

If they were arriving in small numbers the "melting pot" would do it's work but as we have seen, large and steady stream has enabled isolated communities to form.

Now it might be, an America with many cultures will do just fine, but if not, what do we do then?

Actually, most of the European people who immigrated during the late 1800s and early 1900s were uneducated, illiterate, non-English speaking (except for the Irish, but they were Catholic and the WASPs didn't like them). Their assimilation was very difficult and they colonized together just like the new immigrants do today. Take a visit to Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, or New York to see which areas are still predominately Italian, German, Russian/Jewish, Greek, Polish and Irish.

Edited June 23, 2009 by Staashi

[justashooter 430]

Also Immigration of yesterday was primarily an influx of Europe. Immigration today is truly "diverse" with large number of people arriving who have never even lived in a first-world country.

Most uneducated and coming from cultures quite different from ours.

If they were arriving in small numbers the "melting pot" would do it's work but as we have seen, large and steady stream has enabled isolated communities to form.

Now it might be, an America with many cultures will do just fine, but if not, what do we do then?

Actually, most of the European people who immigrated during the late 1800s and early 1900s were uneducated, illiterate, non-English speaking (except for the Irish, but they were Catholic and the WASPs didn't like them). Their assimilation was very difficult and they colonized together just like the new immigrants do today. Take a visit to Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, or New York to see which areas are still predominately Italian, German, Russian/Jewish, Greek, Polish and Irish.

actually, most of them were educated in the context of the day, learned to speak english, found work, and paid taxes. they did not hold parades in the street demanding "la raza", clog the jails, collect welfare, run up hospital bills, drive without insurance, etc.

[mawilson 2,133]

Much of that debt has been caused by lenient treatment and coddling of illegals, with taxpayers forced to pay for their education, welfare, and health care.

Not that much. We have 10 million illegals and a trillion-dollar deficit.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but we don't spend $100,000 per illegal.

[Krikit 1,164]

30% of the people in federal prisons nationwide are illegal mexicans, and 90% of the people on the most wanted list (heinous crimes) in california are illegal mexicans.

The official source cites non-citizens at 9% of the total jailed population for both Federal and State correctional authorities in the year 2008. And not all non-citizens are illegal, nor are they all Mexican. Link

[scandal 951]

30% of the people in federal prisons nationwide are illegal mexicans, and 90% of the people on the most wanted list (heinous crimes) in california are illegal mexicans.

The official source cites non-citizens at 9% of the total jailed population for both Federal and State correctional authorities in the year 2008. And not all non-citizens are illegal, nor are they all Mexican. Link

Aw, Krikit, but it's so much more fun to use pretend statistics than real data

[mawilson 2,133]

30% of the people in federal prisons nationwide are illegal mexicans, and 90% of the people on the most wanted list (heinous crimes) in california are illegal mexicans.

The official source cites non-citizens at 9% of the total jailed population for both Federal and State correctional authorities in the year 2008. And not all non-citizens are illegal, nor are they all Mexican. Link

To be fair, a lot of them are Mexican:

California's Most Wanted Fugitives

[Krikit 1,164]

30% of the people in federal prisons nationwide are illegal mexicans, and 90% of the people on the most wanted list (heinous crimes) in california are illegal mexicans.

The official source cites non-citizens at 9% of the total jailed population for both Federal and State correctional authorities in the year 2008. And not all non-citizens are illegal, nor are they all Mexican. Link

To be fair, a lot of them are Mexican:

California's Most Wanted Fugitives

I see 4 out of 13 positively identified as being born in Mexico. Nowhere does it state that they are illegal. In any event, this is a far cry from "30%".