Family Split Apart by Deportation

[alienlovechild 75]

You are referring to Section 1 of the 14th Amendment,

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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I see the words "All persons". I don't see "All white people" or "All white and black people" or "All people except Mexican people". I see "All people". By all means, show me what I've missed.

Illegal immigrants aren't naturalized citizens.

Most countries don't grant citizenship by birth but it would take a Consitutional amendment or novel court ruling to change it in the U.S.

John Bingham, considered to be the "Father of the 14th Amendment" confirmed the understanding and the construction that the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction. While speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866, he said:"[14] [15] [16]

“ find no fault with the introductory clause [s 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…. . . ”

You missed the part about owing allegiance to a foreign power. Blacks owed no allegiance to some unknown country as they were "grandfathered" in but of course they weren't afforded full rights until 100 year later. The same is true for Indians and Hispanics that became citizens once the borders of the U.S. expanded. Some Indians weren't granted citizenship until 1924.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0700/frames.../0701_0140.html

[jundp 191]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

I won't even attempt to address the 14th Amendment issue here.

I will say that you have no 'superior' citizenship just because a German immigrant came here in 1736 and his kids served in the Revolution. Is there a reason to point it out? That your daughter can be a member of the DAR? Who cares? My ancestor came in here the mid 1600s and I also have direct ancestors who fought in the Rev War. One fought with Washington. Am I now more of a US citizen than you?

Just saying.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

[jundp 191]

[scandal 951]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

I think I get the groovy sig, well most of it. I get Cool Whip, fondue, Gin and Tonic and the oh-so-happy organ.

But what's Hawkeye doing with all that bunch?

[Empress of Groovy 373]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

I think I get the groovy sig, well most of it. I get Cool Whip, fondue, Gin and Tonic and the oh-so-happy organ.

But what's Hawkeye doing with all that bunch?

Joyce has a thing for Alan Alda.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

Not impressed. My ancestors created petroglyphs for their I-485 somewhere near what is now known as Flagstaff when the Grand Canyon was a mere hairline fracture on the earth's surface.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

I'm direct descendant of Pancho Villa, he who invaded Texas back in 1916 and was never caught by the US army, brace yourselves!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

I won't even attempt to address the 14th Amendment issue here.

I will say that you have no 'superior' citizenship just because a German immigrant came here in 1736 and his kids served in the Revolution. Is there a reason to point it out? That your daughter can be a member of the DAR? Who cares? My ancestor came in here the mid 1600s and I also have direct ancestors who fought in the Rev War. One fought with Washington. Am I now more of a US citizen than you?

Just saying.

I have some Native American ancestry and I say you both GTFO. j/k, Jen...you can stay.

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

Not impressed. My ancestors created petroglyphs for their I-485 somewhere near what is now known as Flagstaff when the Grand Canyon was a mere hairline fracture on the earth's surface.

Petroglyphs? They were lucky....mine had to use smoke signals.

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

Petroglyphs? They were lucky....mine had to use smoke signals.

we didn't even have fire!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Petroglyphs? They were lucky....mine had to use smoke signals.

we didn't even have fire!

That's why your relatives married so young....short life span.

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

Petroglyphs? They were lucky....mine had to use smoke signals.

we didn't even have fire!

That's why your relatives married so young....short life span.

yeah, almost didn't make it, a few married brits and their offsprings teeth fell out at an early age!

Edited June 23, 2009 by charles!

[Pooky 3,787]

you are a citizen by accident. i am a citizen by nature of a lineage of legal immigration going back to 1736, with a fellow named Erasmus Holtzappffel, who's children served in the Revolutionary War and every American conflict since.

Oh yeah? Well, I'm a direct descendant of Saraloiza Ebenezer Winhindenfenberg IV. She famously chiseled her I-485 on a stone tablet in 1000 BC, in what is now Delaware.

I'm direct descendant of Pancho Villa, he who invaded Texas back in 1916 and was never caught by the US army, brace yourselves!

Stuff Pancho Villa.

VIVA MAX!!!!!!

[stangguy 0]

Here is an interesting tidbit, not all people born on US soil are US citizens. There is is a provision in the citizenship statutes that excludes children born to foreign diplomats. Presumably because foreign diplomats are not subject to US jurisdiction.

Thought I doubt it will ever happen, a similar exception could be written into the laws for children of of people holding no legal status in the US. It would require a lot of concessions such as not requiring illegal aliens to register for the selective service and not being able to hold them in US prisons, amongst others. The best way to do it would probably be along the lines of the aggreements in place with foreign diplomatic instutions or US Status of Forces agreements.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The children are U.S. Citizens [ this is the legal problem that needs to be addressed. in few other countries is place of birth determinant. usually it is citizenship of parents that is determinant]

blah, blah, blah, blah...

This is your view, namely that children born in the US should not be granted US citizenship. It is certainly your right to pursue the Constitutional amendment that such a change would require. Petition for it, write your Congressman, write letters to the editor, run for office yourself. All fine and good.

Until that day, the law is clear - children born in the US are USCs.

This is not an insignificant matter to me personally.

My own US Citizenship derives from this fact. I was born in the US to parents who were legally, but temporarily, here. My father was completing his postdoc at a research institute in the US and shortly after I was born my parents returned to Canada and I with them. My parents are not American. My brother and sister, both born in Canada, are not American. You have your rights to speak out regarding immigration. So do I, and so do all US citizens, regardless of whether they obtained citizenship at birth or through naturalization.

I treasure my US citizenship, yet at the same time I recognize that it is mine through an accident of birth. Had I been born in Canada as were my brother and sister, I would not have this status. Nonetheless, I am every bit as much an American as you are. You, too, are American through the circumstances which gave you this status.

Actually, the Constitution desn't grant birthright citizenship to babies born in the US. The legislative history of the provision that has been erroneously interpreted shows clearly that the amendment was limited to granting US citizenship to freed slaves in the states, not children of anyone who happens to be born here. American Indians had to win their citizenship in court because the amendment referred to did not include them, only Black slaves.

Birthright citizenship has been repealed in other countries and that can and should happen here. It is the NEGLECT of our representatives that allows this mistake to compound the negative effects of illegal immigration. Citizens born of parents who were US citizens have not come by their citizenship in the same way that children of non-citizens did, and it is possible that, in the future, children of non-citizens may not be allowed that birthright again.

Edited June 23, 2009 by Sofiyya