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i totally agree with u.but i just have some concerns here.why is it that mods allow insults thrown at us and when we answer back ..we get a notice of disapproval?im just askin...like at the other thread...we were so insulted by this woman from d iron curtain and when i answered back i got a notice?and to think that comparing to the words i used is just a speck to the words she hurled at filipinas..unfair

I would just like to clarify that mods do not "allow" any behaviour which violates the Terms of Service. Just because you are not aware of any actions taken behind the scene, does not mean that consequences are not being enforced.

I totally agree with Krikit..... The Mods do an excellent job here on VJ. Sometimes it is hard for them to be 2 places at one time. I wouldn't want their job.... NO WAY!!! :P

I lost my feeling of self-assurance on the mods a long time ago! That was after my account was suspended twice (one for 12 hours and the other for 1 week) but I believe nothing was done to the regular phantoms and gangsters and Filipina bashers who were involved in the fracas.

I understand how you might feel. I agree that there are gangsters and phantoms and bashers on here, but all in all, I think the Moderation Team here do an excellent job considering the amount of senseless ####### that goes on here any given day.

Unfortunately, there are people on here that thrive on fukcing up someones day. That's another thread though. What bothers me the most is when I see so called grown men attacking the women here. It doesn't matter if it is a Filipina or any woman from another country. It shouldn't happen! I personally don't try to get involved with these problems here. It's hard like Hell sometimes to keep my mouth shut, but I just remember that it's easy for these people to hide behind their computers and try to make life miserable for others. As the old saying goes...."Big mouth don't make a Big man"....

People, just need to learn tolerance! :thumbs:

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I understand how you might feel. I agree that there are gangsters and phantoms and bashers on here, but all in all, I think the Moderation Team here do an excellent job considering the amount of senseless ####### that goes on here any given day.

I really like when the mods let newbies post wild stories about how their Filipina has left home, runaway, ended up at a ICE detention center or the Filipina that SLAPS the USC for basically doing nothing or the Filipina who's mom is demanding cash from the USC before she'll stop interfering with their relationship (stories are numerous). The mods let these stories go on for pages and pages all the while, from a newbie with no track record. Even worse, Filipinas jump into the drama most of the time siding with the USC's sob story, taking a newbie with absolutely no history on VJ at his word.

If a newbie has no "real" history, the newbie should be shut down fast, but our MODS let yet another story about a wild Filipinas acting out of control on here over and over again.

Logically, people don't wake up one day, join VJ so they can post an incredible story. But it happens, suddenly, the USC, after his Filipina ran wild, found the need to find VJ to post his remarkable story. Prior to his Filipina running wild, all throughout the K-1 or K-3 process, he was no where to be found, but wow, he quickly finds VJ hours after his Filipina goes nutz. Interesting.

Good job MODS!



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nothing better to do? :whistle:

Posts removed for baiting.

thanks Krikit :thumbs:

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hahaha.. ay ang lakas ng loob mo kapatid! hehe oo di ko yan kayang gawin kahit anong racist ng comments nila.. hehe... ibang klase talaga sila.

:devil: pero bilib ako sa iyo maritoni.. kinaya mo yun? wahahaha... so after nitong 'racist' issue ko di na ko ganu tumutulong pag galing dun sa 'isang regional forum' dito ang tanong... paminsan minsan na lang. mahirap na.

hehe oo nga eh!kaya lang sobra naman niya nilait ang pagkaing pinoy...Tapos idagdag mo pang parang sa tono nya eh nagkukulang tayo nang pagkain:(...di naman ako gaanong nag cocomment pag sa ibang forum,kasi alam kong para akong nilangam na asukal kung alam mo ibig kong sabihin:P

yeah! I know what you mean!

Kinuyog din ako ng mga tao... tapos nyan... nag-vacation ako for two days pag-balik ko ang dami dami dami ngsabi na ignorante daw ako kasi laging sa Philippine forum lang daw ako nag-tatambay... hehe hello?! tapos sumagot ako, nawala silang lahat! Aba syempre tinodo todo ko ang pag-iingles! hehe.

tapos un pasimunong pang-gulo, nag-sorry pero sa PM lang... lang ya! Buti na lang mabait bait pa ko ng kaunti.. gusto ko sanang sabihin sa forums mo ko siniraan tapos sa PM ka nag-apologize?! Diba? Hay! mga experience nga naman dito sa internet. Kaloka sis!

Yay! :dance: hehe...Nasungalngal sya haha!yan ang pinay!aw hindi ka naman dugong Pinay,but you seem like one:P o baka waray ka sis?hehe teasing:)

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De javu! I remember Mariel when she was still a newbie. Kinda made this similar post. Where are you Mariel?

She could be right behind you Marie:))

Is she really? I am surprised hindi pa siya nag-post dito. Siya na lang ang walang post dito. :star:

Busy yun sa trabajo:) mananahimik ba yun sa isang tabi?wait lang!hehe

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Lord,help us to remember when we first met,and the strong love that grew between us.

To work the love into practical things so nothing can divide us

Grant us a Love that grows stronger with each passing year.

We ask for words both kind and loving

and for hearts always ready to ask forgiveness as well as to forgive.

Guide us to overcome every challenge

and keep our dreams pure to each other always.

Dear Lord,we put our marriage into Your hands.Amen

If your heart acquires strength, you will be able to remove blemishes from others without thinking evil of them.
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I understand how you might feel. I agree that there are gangsters and phantoms and bashers on here, but all in all, I think the Moderation Team here do an excellent job considering the amount of senseless ####### that goes on here any given day.

I really like when the mods let newbies post wild stories about how their Filipina has left home, runaway, ended up at a ICE detention center or the Filipina that SLAPS the USC for basically doing nothing or the Filipina who's mom is demanding cash from the USC before she'll stop interfering with their relationship (stories are numerous). The mods let these stories go on for pages and pages all the while, from a newbie with no track record. Even worse, Filipinas jump into the drama most of the time siding with the USC's sob story, taking a newbie with absolutely no history on VJ at his word.

If a newbie has no "real" history, the newbie should be shut down fast, but our MODS let yet another story about a wild Filipinas acting out of control on here over and over again.

Logically, people don't wake up one day, join VJ so they can post an incredible story. But it happens, suddenly, the USC, after his Filipina ran wild, found the need to find VJ to post his remarkable story. Prior to his Filipina running wild, all throughout the K-1 or K-3 process, he was no where to be found, but wow, he quickly finds VJ hours after his Filipina goes nutz. Interesting.

Good job MODS!

i understand what you are getting at, but did you take into consideration that ewok can compare ip's of the noob to other vj members and zero in on any offending member who creates a new id just to troll........

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I understand how you might feel. I agree that there are gangsters and phantoms and bashers on here, but all in all, I think the Moderation Team here do an excellent job considering the amount of senseless ####### that goes on here any given day.

I really like when the mods let newbies post wild stories about how their Filipina has left home, runaway, ended up at a ICE detention center or the Filipina that SLAPS the USC for basically doing nothing or the Filipina who's mom is demanding cash from the USC before she'll stop interfering with their relationship (stories are numerous). The mods let these stories go on for pages and pages all the while, from a newbie with no track record. Even worse, Filipinas jump into the drama most of the time siding with the USC's sob story, taking a newbie with absolutely no history on VJ at his word.

If a newbie has no "real" history, the newbie should be shut down fast, but our MODS let yet another story about a wild Filipinas acting out of control on here over and over again.

Logically, people don't wake up one day, join VJ so they can post an incredible story. But it happens, suddenly, the USC, after his Filipina ran wild, found the need to find VJ to post his remarkable story. Prior to his Filipina running wild, all throughout the K-1 or K-3 process, he was no where to be found, but wow, he quickly finds VJ hours after his Filipina goes nutz. Interesting.

Good job MODS!

I understand what you're saying, but it would be next to impossible for a Mod to distinguish Fact or Fiction when ever these wild stories appear. I agree that things get out of hand really quick sometimes, but as long as the TOS rules are followed, there is nothing they can do. I have noticed lately that threads are be locked before it gets too nasty.

None of it is perfect, but I see that the Mods are trying to keep peace and harmony here on VJ. I couldn't and wouldn't do their jobs here on VJ....

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This a free forum and everybody will say whatever they want to say.. This is not trying to bash the OP but we are talking about reality here.

As you see some people still love to bash, even in this topic...., meaning we can not control their mind on how and what they will post in this forum.

The bottomline is, if the topic does not interest you or to others, and you think you cant help and will not say anything good.. dont answer or say anything at all.

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I wanted to edit my previous reply but for some reasons, I couldn't...

Anyways, I just wanted to add also that I agree with you. We have different standards and opinions which everyone should respect.

On my experience naman, in fairness to those who PM me, though they were a pain in the thread for awhile, they did mellow-down after a while to the point that they were being nice already. So even if they didn't apologize in the thread, it was ok with me already.

hahah medyo mataas ung degree ng pag-insulto.. and I DID report it.

Pero that's beside the point, I guess... mataas lang ang expectation ko sa mga tao. hehehe... I always expect more because we are intelligent beings.

haha.. oo tama i-report yan mga yan. Pero feeling ko talaga mga TROLLS karamihan ng nag-uumpisa ng gulo dito. Kasi puros newbie sila halos.

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Sis, just look at it this way. Even though you felt disrespected and he didn't apologize in the thread, you still proved to be the more respectable or the better person. For a person to insult or disrespect someone, especially in public, it proves the kind of person he is. What's done is done. I don't think any public apology can change that.

I don't know to others but as per myself, whenever I read posts, I somehow get a feel of the person's character based on the words that comes out from that person and how that person say those. I want to believe that it's the same to other readers, that's why as much as possible, when I say something, I want to be as careful as I can be. Though, I must admit, I'm only human. There are times that I get pushed into the edge.

With the previous thread where I joined, I thought it was all over. I had no idea that there's this person fuming in anger because of me. I'm thankful to some filipinas who took care of her for me. Though somehow I felt bad because I wasn't able to fight for myself. I just look at it as a blessing in disguise. I was thinking if I was online when she attacked me, with all the bad words she said about me, as much as I want to be diplomatic, I'd probably lose my control as well. That thread will probably be online for awhile and many people will still be able to read it. Even though the people who will read it don't know me, I wouldn't want those people to think that the person behind my screen name is a horrible person because of what I've posted.

That's just for me though...

Anyways, having said that, I think my concern has been heard already. I think it's already up to each and everyone what he/she wants to do with it. It's time for me to say goodbye and this time it's for real. Hehehe...Thank you for all the inputs, good and bad. :) Go Pinays!!!

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Hello Mga Sis,

kakapagod magbasa huh! LOL!

There is just one thing I want to say: if it is not worth your time, don't plunge on it.

I'm so glad I'm not here all the time or else I will just be stressed out from all the bad things they say about us.

As always, there is always good and bad wherever you go!

I am glad I prefer to be at peace with everybody. If somebody is veering in a different direction, I am sorry I could not go with her/him. Anybody can think and say whatever she wants and how she wants it, But I am not like that person.

No worries! LOL! This journey has already caused too much pain in my heart, why add more.

Peace to all!

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I already given my views regarding on this topic but I just wanted to fill-in my insights.... Hehehehe!.. Tagalugin ko na para makabagbag damdamin. Pasensya na sa mga words na magagamit ko.

Sa unang post ko dito sa thread, sinabi ko na maraming paraan para patahimikin yong mga walang modong galit sa atin mga Filipina. Kahit gaano ka kaganda at ka-diplomasya ang mga post mo dito sa VJ, gagaguhin ka pa rin ng mga tarantadong yon. Syempre kung ikaw ang OP, tapos magbigay ng di kaaya-ayang post yong tarantadong yon patungkol sa mga Filipina or sa yo, kahit pa gusto mong pairalin ang diplomasya, di mo maiiwasang sagutin rin ng pabalang. Di lang naman kasi pagkatao mo ang pinagtatanggol mo, kundi pati yong pagka-Pilipino mo.

Kung iyong titingnan, bihirang-bihira kang makakita ng thread dito na inumpisahan ng mga Pilipino na puro pang-gagago sa taga-ibang bansa dahil di naman natin ugali yon. Lumalaban lang tayo kapag kinakanti, pero di tayo nag-uumpisa ng gulo. Kaya di mo masisi kung ma-highblood ang mga kapwa Filipina natin sa mga pinagsasabi ng mga tarantadong yon. Oo nga't may katotohanan yong mga ibang pinagsasabi nila dahil may mga Filipina naman talaga ng gumagawa non pero nilalahat ng mga tarantadong yon ang mga Filipina at yon ang di mapapalampas ng kapwa natin. Di lang Pilipinas ang may manlolokong tao, lahat ng bansa, at kung tutuusin mas grabe pa ngang manloko.

Hindi rin nadadaan sa diplomasya ang mga tarantadong yon kasi bago pa man nila i-post ang sasabihin nila, naka-set na yong utak nila sa galit nila sa atin. So, sa aking palagay, bakit di sila bigyan ng one big shot na sagot na nararapat sa mga tarantadong yon na di ka naman nagmumukhang palengkera, tapos i-report mo sa MOD.

Sabi nga di ba, di mo ma-pplease ang lahat ng tao. Natuto na ang Filipina, tanga na lang ang martir at mananahimik kahit kinukutya na. Di tayo pang-gulo, tayo ang ginugulo. Lumalaban tayo kung kinakailangan.

That's all what I am thinking.... Hehehehe... Ohhh... and so sorry for those who couldn't understand this post because I intend this for my countrymen. :thumbs:

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I already given my views regarding on this topic but I just wanted to fill-in my insights.... Hehehehe!.. Tagalugin ko na para makabagbag damdamin. Pasensya na sa mga words na magagamit ko.

Sa unang post ko dito sa thread, sinabi ko na maraming paraan para patahimikin yong mga walang modong galit sa atin mga Filipina. Kahit gaano ka kaganda at ka-diplomasya ang mga post mo dito sa VJ, gagaguhin ka pa rin ng mga tarantadong yon. Syempre kung ikaw ang OP, tapos magbigay ng di kaaya-ayang post yong tarantadong yon patungkol sa mga Filipina or sa yo, kahit pa gusto mong pairalin ang diplomasya, di mo maiiwasang sagutin rin ng pabalang. Di lang naman kasi pagkatao mo ang pinagtatanggol mo, kundi pati yong pagka-Pilipino mo.

Kung iyong titingnan, bihirang-bihira kang makakita ng thread dito na inumpisahan ng mga Pilipino na puro pang-gagago sa taga-ibang bansa dahil di naman natin ugali yon. Lumalaban lang tayo kapag kinakanti, pero di tayo nag-uumpisa ng gulo. Kaya di mo masisi kung ma-highblood ang mga kapwa Filipina natin sa mga pinagsasabi ng mga tarantadong yon. Oo nga't may katotohanan yong mga ibang pinagsasabi nila dahil may mga Filipina naman talaga ng gumagawa non pero nilalahat ng mga tarantadong yon ang mga Filipina at yon ang di mapapalampas ng kapwa natin. Di lang Pilipinas ang may manlolokong tao, lahat ng bansa, at kung tutuusin mas grabe pa ngang manloko.

Hindi rin nadadaan sa diplomasya ang mga tarantadong yon kasi bago pa man nila i-post ang sasabihin nila, naka-set na yong utak nila sa galit nila sa atin. So, sa aking palagay, bakit di sila bigyan ng one big shot na sagot na nararapat sa mga tarantadong yon na di ka naman nagmumukhang palengkera, tapos i-report mo sa MOD.

Sabi nga di ba, di mo ma-pplease ang lahat ng tao. Natuto na ang Filipina, tanga na lang ang martir at mananahimik kahit kinukutya na. Di tayo pang-gulo, tayo ang ginugulo. Lumalaban tayo kung kinakailangan.

That's all what I am thinking.... Hehehehe... Ohhh... and so sorry for those who couldn't understand this post because I intend this for my countrymen. :thumbs:

Wow! Ang haba naman ng post mo!

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I already given my views regarding on this topic but I just wanted to fill-in my insights.... Hehehehe!.. Tagalugin ko na para makabagbag damdamin. Pasensya na sa mga words na magagamit ko.

Sa unang post ko dito sa thread, sinabi ko na maraming paraan para patahimikin yong mga walang modong galit sa atin mga Filipina. Kahit gaano ka kaganda at ka-diplomasya ang mga post mo dito sa VJ, gagaguhin ka pa rin ng mga tarantadong yon. Syempre kung ikaw ang OP, tapos magbigay ng di kaaya-ayang post yong tarantadong yon patungkol sa mga Filipina or sa yo, kahit pa gusto mong pairalin ang diplomasya, di mo maiiwasang sagutin rin ng pabalang. Di lang naman kasi pagkatao mo ang pinagtatanggol mo, kundi pati yong pagka-Pilipino mo.

Kung iyong titingnan, bihirang-bihira kang makakita ng thread dito na inumpisahan ng mga Pilipino na puro pang-gagago sa taga-ibang bansa dahil di naman natin ugali yon. Lumalaban lang tayo kapag kinakanti, pero di tayo nag-uumpisa ng gulo. Kaya di mo masisi kung ma-highblood ang mga kapwa Filipina natin sa mga pinagsasabi ng mga tarantadong yon. Oo nga't may katotohanan yong mga ibang pinagsasabi nila dahil may mga Filipina naman talaga ng gumagawa non pero nilalahat ng mga tarantadong yon ang mga Filipina at yon ang di mapapalampas ng kapwa natin. Di lang Pilipinas ang may manlolokong tao, lahat ng bansa, at kung tutuusin mas grabe pa ngang manloko.

Hindi rin nadadaan sa diplomasya ang mga tarantadong yon kasi bago pa man nila i-post ang sasabihin nila, naka-set na yong utak nila sa galit nila sa atin. So, sa aking palagay, bakit di sila bigyan ng one big shot na sagot na nararapat sa mga tarantadong yon na di ka naman nagmumukhang palengkera, tapos i-report mo sa MOD.

Sabi nga di ba, di mo ma-pplease ang lahat ng tao. Natuto na ang Filipina, tanga na lang ang martir at mananahimik kahit kinukutya na. Di tayo pang-gulo, tayo ang ginugulo. Lumalaban tayo kung kinakailangan.

That's all what I am thinking.... Hehehehe... Ohhh... and so sorry for those who couldn't understand this post because I intend this for my countrymen. :thumbs:

Wow! Ang haba naman ng post mo!

Mr Bill, You could now read long tagalog with few bad words. ;)

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I already given my views regarding on this topic but I just wanted to fill-in my insights.... Hehehehe!.. Tagalugin ko na para makabagbag damdamin. Pasensya na sa mga words na magagamit ko.

Sa unang post ko dito sa thread, sinabi ko na maraming paraan para patahimikin yong mga walang modong galit sa atin mga Filipina. Kahit gaano ka kaganda at ka-diplomasya ang mga post mo dito sa VJ, gagaguhin ka pa rin ng mga tarantadong yon. Syempre kung ikaw ang OP, tapos magbigay ng di kaaya-ayang post yong tarantadong yon patungkol sa mga Filipina or sa yo, kahit pa gusto mong pairalin ang diplomasya, di mo maiiwasang sagutin rin ng pabalang. Di lang naman kasi pagkatao mo ang pinagtatanggol mo, kundi pati yong pagka-Pilipino mo.

Kung iyong titingnan, bihirang-bihira kang makakita ng thread dito na inumpisahan ng mga Pilipino na puro pang-gagago sa taga-ibang bansa dahil di naman natin ugali yon. Lumalaban lang tayo kapag kinakanti, pero di tayo nag-uumpisa ng gulo. Kaya di mo masisi kung ma-highblood ang mga kapwa Filipina natin sa mga pinagsasabi ng mga tarantadong yon. Oo nga't may katotohanan yong mga ibang pinagsasabi nila dahil may mga Filipina naman talaga ng gumagawa non pero nilalahat ng mga tarantadong yon ang mga Filipina at yon ang di mapapalampas ng kapwa natin. Di lang Pilipinas ang may manlolokong tao, lahat ng bansa, at kung tutuusin mas grabe pa ngang manloko.

Hindi rin nadadaan sa diplomasya ang mga tarantadong yon kasi bago pa man nila i-post ang sasabihin nila, naka-set na yong utak nila sa galit nila sa atin. So, sa aking palagay, bakit di sila bigyan ng one big shot na sagot na nararapat sa mga tarantadong yon na di ka naman nagmumukhang palengkera, tapos i-report mo sa MOD.

Sabi nga di ba, di mo ma-pplease ang lahat ng tao. Natuto na ang Filipina, tanga na lang ang martir at mananahimik kahit kinukutya na. Di tayo pang-gulo, tayo ang ginugulo. Lumalaban tayo kung kinakailangan.

That's all what I am thinking.... Hehehehe... Ohhh... and so sorry for those who couldn't understand this post because I intend this for my countrymen. :thumbs:

Wow! Ang haba naman ng post mo!

Mr Bill, You could now read long tagalog with few bad words. ;)

Again... soweeeeeeeeeeee po sa mga di magandang nasabi ko....

Pero... Mr. Bill might spent time reading it.... Praktisado naman ata.... :rofl:

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09/13/2011 - CSC received the package

09/15/2011 - CSC cashed check and NOA1 Received

09/26/2011 - Biometrics Appointment Notice Date (Sent)

10/13/2011 - Early Biometrics

10/19/2011 - Biometrics Appointment

10/26/2011 - GC expiration

11/25/2011 - Received RFE

11/28/2011 - Sent response to RFE

01/13/2012 - Ordered card production (Approved)

01/19/2012 - 10 yrs GC received

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