Che Guevara's grandaughter to appear semi-nude in PETA ad.

[_Simpson_ 250]

he rightly fought against imperialist American regimes set by force instead of the will of the people... Batista in Cuba? he got in power by a coup sponsored by the CIA.. Bolivia when he got killed? he was fighting against another president sponsored by the CIA... he was ruthless in his discipline, but he was fair... yes, he killed traitors and deserters.. not people who didn't wanna join... it was times of war and revolution.. and he was one of the first ones who saw the ruthless attempt of USA to control the south cone with it's banana republic tactics..

he didn't fight for socialism.. he fought for people getting what is right, he fought so people could see, that yea, becoming rich is not a biggie, but that there is a cost, a high cost, suffering, that the nice american dream doesn't tell you about... terrorist.. not true.. he was, and still is a hero of the poor masses.. and while there's the abuse that comes with capitalism and globalization, I'm glad there's people that wear a CHe shirt, and know about his revolution..

Why did they think that by killing him, he would cease to exist as a fighter? ... Today he is in every place, wherever there is a just cause to defend.

-Fidel Castro

Funny you would quote Fidel referring to Che considering he pretty much screwed over Che to get him out of his hair so that relations with Russia would not be damaged. I have seen interviews with his soldiers, ones that became part of the "revolution" after there villages were pillaged. That is not a hero to me, the guy was ruthless and power hungry. Its beyond me how you would think that somebody supporting this kind of man is a good thing.

[Nessa 23]

I am a vegetarian.

I think after reading and seeing this, I'll start eating meat.

why do you hate PETA?

[alienlovechild 75]

The people of Cuba, not Washington, however, have the right to dictate their own political direction, so lets keep that in mind when we remind ourselves why it is that on so many occasions, we see certain populism against our brand of economic 'imperialism.'

The people of Cuba have no rights to dictate their own political direction and yeah propganda against Yankee economic imperialism still works in Latin America even as the U.S. is now heavily in debt to other nations.

[pedroh 21]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

USA might think of el CHE as a terrorist... but many Americans don't know, or try not to, how America pillaged Latin America, and how many people died because of USA... i.e Pinochet

[_Simpson_ 250]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

USA might think of el CHE as a terrorist... but many Americans don't know, or try not to, how America pillaged Latin America, and how many people died because of USA... i.e Pinochet

Yeah Yeah Yeah America bad, got it. I have heard this song a time or two. This has become more about your dislike for America than about Che.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

USA might think of el CHE as a terrorist... but many Americans don't know, or try not to, how America pillaged Latin America, and how many people died because of USA... i.e Pinochet

Yeah Yeah Yeah America bad, got it. I have heard this song a time or two. This has become more about your dislike for America than about Che.

We Americans are rightly proud of our historical achievements, and recognizing our failures or the wrongs we've done to others is the mature approach towards history. We're not perfect and talking about our imperfections doesn't make us bad. If that were true, every person who has been critical of the current U.S. policies, both foreign and domestic is then expressing anti-American sentiment. You can't have it both ways.

[_Simpson_ 250]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

USA might think of el CHE as a terrorist... but many Americans don't know, or try not to, how America pillaged Latin America, and how many people died because of USA... i.e Pinochet

Yeah Yeah Yeah America bad, got it. I have heard this song a time or two. This has become more about your dislike for America than about Che.

We Americans are rightly proud of our historical achievements, and recognizing our failures or the wrongs we've done to others is the mature approach towards history. We're not perfect and talking about our imperfections doesn't make us bad. If that were true, every person who has been critical of the current U.S. policies, both foreign and domestic is then expressing anti-American sentiment. You can't have it both ways.

What???, I am not asking to have it both ways. Sure we need to be critical too but often people who have such a dislike for America only b1itch about America. We were talking about Che and Pedro keeps pointing out things that America did, like its supposed to justify Che's actions or something.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

USA might think of el CHE as a terrorist... but many Americans don't know, or try not to, how America pillaged Latin America, and how many people died because of USA... i.e Pinochet

Yeah Yeah Yeah America bad, got it. I have heard this song a time or two. This has become more about your dislike for America than about Che.

We Americans are rightly proud of our historical achievements, and recognizing our failures or the wrongs we've done to others is the mature approach towards history. We're not perfect and talking about our imperfections doesn't make us bad. If that were true, every person who has been critical of the current U.S. policies, both foreign and domestic is then expressing anti-American sentiment. You can't have it both ways.

What???, I am not asking to have it both ways. Sure we need to be critical too but often people who have such a dislike for America only b1itch about America. We were talking about Che and Pedro keeps pointing out things that America did, like its supposed to justify Che's actions or something.

Pedroh was pointing out that depending on how you look at it, Che was either a bad guy or a hero. Do the British now think of the American Revolutionists as heroes? Probably so now, but not 200 years ago. The US has a checkered past with South America...there's no need to wear rose colored glasses over that reality.

[alienlovechild 75]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

A lot the U.S. is being "recolonized" illegally by people from South of the border but that's not a good excuse for fanning the flames of revenge.

I haven't heard any apologies for that one nor a thanks for the opportunities.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Pedroh was pointing out that depending on how you look at it, Che was either a bad guy or a hero. Do the British now think of the American Revolutionists as heroes? Probably so now, but not 200 years ago. The US has a checkered past with South America...there's no need to wear rose colored glasses over that reality.

Nobody wearing rose colored glasses here. Your wrong about this because you cant just group people according to what side there were on and who's perspective were addressing. What needs to be addressed is there actions or methods for gaining power. Che is not a hero regardless to whos side you happened to be on.

[HAL 9000 96]

only America thinks El Che was a terrorist..

of course America is wrong there..

Hmmm, he was ruthless and he pillaged villages while forcing people to join his "revolution". You might want to make a play on words here, like what exactly is a terrorist and have fun with that but what America did get right is that we dont see him as a hero as many delusional people do.

Working in California I have seen this on more than one occasion, mexicans and college kids wearing a Che shirt. Working where I did I knew that one of the Mexicans I addressed wasn't even a legal citizen. I thought how despicable, kind of like spitting on America if you ask me. I addressed him and he acted like he didnt even know who Che was, I have my doubts.

I see... confusing Reagan's Contras with el Ché.

I presume you have credible proof of this pillaging and forceful conscription into such a 'people's revolución.' Because if that were the case I wonder why his merry band of misfits was captured with less than 50 armed members.

As for the relationship between a person's migratory status and El Ché...

The ones I mainly have seen in Ché T-Shirts, OTOH... are college kids from what appear to be wealthy, suburban backgrounds.

[HAL 9000 96]

he rightly fought against imperialist American regimes set by force instead of the will of the people... Batista in Cuba? he got in power by a coup sponsored by the CIA.. Bolivia when he got killed? he was fighting against another president sponsored by the CIA... he was ruthless in his discipline, but he was fair... yes, he killed traitors and deserters.. not people who didn't wanna join... it was times of war and revolution.. and he was one of the first ones who saw the ruthless attempt of USA to control the south cone with it's banana republic tactics..

he didn't fight for socialism.. he fought for people getting what is right, he fought so people could see, that yea, becoming rich is not a biggie, but that there is a cost, a high cost, suffering, that the nice american dream doesn't tell you about... terrorist.. not true.. he was, and still is a hero of the poor masses.. and while there's the abuse that comes with capitalism and globalization, I'm glad there's people that wear a CHe shirt, and know about his revolution..

Why did they think that by killing him, he would cease to exist as a fighter? ... Today he is in every place, wherever there is a just cause to defend.

-Fidel Castro

Funny you would quote Fidel referring to Che considering he pretty much screwed over Che to get him out of his hair so that relations with Russia would not be damaged. I have seen interviews with his soldiers, ones that became part of the "revolution" after there villages were pillaged. That is not a hero to me, the guy was ruthless and power hungry. Its beyond me how you would think that somebody supporting this kind of man is a good thing.

Regarding his abandonment by Castro, yes, there is a fair amount of suggestiveness to this. The Russkies didn't want underfunded guerrilleros running around with a People's Revolution. Che's huge miscalculation was assuming people would readily join a revolution they knew nothing about.

[HAL 9000 96]

The people of Cuba, not Washington, however, have the right to dictate their own political direction, so lets keep that in mind when we remind ourselves why it is that on so many occasions, we see certain populism against our brand of economic 'imperialism.'

The people of Cuba have no rights to dictate their own political direction and yeah propganda against Yankee economic imperialism still works in Latin America even as the U.S. is now heavily in debt to other nations.

I'll put Cuban popular interpretations of their own country's faults against your assessment any time. Like I said- if they want a radical change, they are smart enough and ironically equipped sufficiently to do so.

[HAL 9000 96]

yea because the legacy of USA exploitative neocolonialist practices still remains...

USA might think of el CHE as a terrorist... but many Americans don't know, or try not to, how America pillaged Latin America, and how many people died because of USA... i.e Pinochet

Yeah Yeah Yeah America bad, got it. I have heard this song a time or two. This has become more about your dislike for America than about Che.

We Americans are rightly proud of our historical achievements, and recognizing our failures or the wrongs we've done to others is the mature approach towards history. We're not perfect and talking about our imperfections doesn't make us bad. If that were true, every person who has been critical of the current U.S. policies, both foreign and domestic is then expressing anti-American sentiment. You can't have it both ways.

Its the classical jump to judgment that if you're not with 'us' (or rather a very strange notion of what constitutes 'us' and 'our' interests), then you are most certainly against 'us.'

What pedroh touches upon, ironically, is part of the whole equation that has been massively unbalanced, creating a net flow of people towards 'our' side of the equal sign.

[HAL 9000 96]

Pedroh was pointing out that depending on how you look at it, Che was either a bad guy or a hero. Do the British now think of the American Revolutionists as heroes? Probably so now, but not 200 years ago. The US has a checkered past with South America...there's no need to wear rose colored glasses over that reality.

Nobody wearing rose colored glasses here. Your wrong about this because you cant just group people according to what side there were on and who's perspective were addressing. What needs to be addressed is there actions or methods for gaining power. Che is not a hero regardless to whos side you happened to be on.

Well he certainly is a hero to those whom have benefit from his philosophy. And he certainly is a benefit to the T-Shirt industry.

As for his methods... I am hard pressed to find much difference to the tactics he employed and the tactics of those that opposed him. Hence, pedroh and Guano are quite accurate in pointing out the pot meet kettle argument being proposed by claiming terrorism and indiscriminate pillage of victims.