Islam and Chicken Marsala

[100% Al Ahly Fan 53]

So, hey, I was driving through Cairo one time and saw a guy carrying a full-size horse in the back of his toyota pickup truck...

eating halal chicken marsala??

[amysaid 9]

So, hey, I was driving through Cairo one time and saw a guy carrying a full-size horse in the back of his toyota pickup truck...

eating halal chicken marsala??

Of COURSE! I forgot to mention that it was the horse from Half Baked.

Edited June 19, 2009 by amysaid

[chrisc85 0]

geeez my thread turned into a jihad. all i was talking about was chicken marsala... lol...

Edited June 20, 2009 by chrisc85

[chrisc85 0]

Just to add, my fiancee could care less how closely I follow the religion, even though I "converted". All that matters to her is that I believe in God, and that I am a good person. That's it. To be honest I really don't think her parents care too much either. I agreed so quickly to convert, that if they cared that much, they sure as hell probably wouldve questioned me more about it. All that seemed to matter to them is that I believe in God and I am a good person that will love her and take care of her. Period. Religion is important, but it shouldn't get in the way of a relationship if it is strong enough. That's our view anyway

Hope that doesn't add to the fire lol

Edited June 20, 2009 by chrisc85

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

Just to add, my fiancee could care less how closely I follow the religion, even though I "converted". All that matters to her is that I believe in God, and that I am a good person. That's it. To be honest I really don't think her parents care too much either. I agreed so quickly to convert, that if they cared that much, they sure as hell probably wouldve questioned me more about it. All that seemed to matter to them is that I believe in God and I am a good person that will love her and take care of her. Period. Religion is important, but it shouldn't get in the way of a relationship if it is strong enough. That's our view anyway

Hope that doesn't add to the fire lol

Im not trying to get you upset Chris, but my thinking about this is this... If thats all that mattered to her parents, then why did you have to convert? If you believed in God and was a good man before you converted why was it so important to them that they wanted u to convert? It should not have been necessary. You believed in God and was a good man before... period.

[chrisc85 0]

Just to add, my fiancee could care less how closely I follow the religion, even though I "converted". All that matters to her is that I believe in God, and that I am a good person. That's it. To be honest I really don't think her parents care too much either. I agreed so quickly to convert, that if they cared that much, they sure as hell probably wouldve questioned me more about it. All that seemed to matter to them is that I believe in God and I am a good person that will love her and take care of her. Period. Religion is important, but it shouldn't get in the way of a relationship if it is strong enough. That's our view anyway

Hope that doesn't add to the fire lol

Im not trying to get you upset Chris, but my thinking about this is this... If thats all that mattered to her parents, then why did you have to convert? If you believed in God and was a good man before you converted why was it so important to them that they wanted u to convert? It should not have been necessary. You believed in God and was a good man before... period.

The neighbors/their reputation. Gossip is basically the rule there. You think high-school in America is bad... forget Morocco haha. A couple of my friends from there even said it basically had to do with peace of mind. If anyone found out that "their daughter married a non-Muslim man" ...well, that would be the end of it lol.

Edited June 20, 2009 by chrisc85

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

It would lower her status and dishonor her family according to cultural norms. Doesn't mean it's not right or right it's just the way it is. It's one thing to say your something it's another to walk the talk. Thus I haven't converted myself because of the responsibility it holds and the importance it means to him and his family and having to live up to that. If I ever did convert know it would be out of the sincerity of my heart and not the reasons he just gave above for doing it.

On another note I had chicken tikki marsala tonight and it was 1/3 the price. Shhh... I consider it research for how they make it here. They put things in it I don't for example cinnamon stick, cloves, and bay leaves so it wasn't the same as home. However it was good but not as tasty and it needed some salt but I liked their rice. The rice here is different too because it's cooked over gas so that's an experiment all it's own as it cooks faster. Any suggestions on how not to burn the pot and get the rice finished cooking?

[sara..... 371]

So, hey, I was driving through Cairo one time and saw a guy carrying a full-size horse in the back of his toyota pickup truck...

awe he loved his horse a lot

sara

[HLM 1]

People can disagree all they want but if they say they respect other people's religion then choosing the words when they are expressing their thoughts is important! I don't recall any muslim here using any offensive language when disagreeing with anyone else's faith.

VW expresses her opinion on things in Islam that allow the flexibility to agree with or not and also allows many interpretations but she doesn't promote another version of Islam. She never disagreed with the basics and the firm form of the religion. So it's still Islam. If you don't like Islam but you agree with VW that doesn't mean you agree with Islam by any means. That's not intented for someone in particular it's a general note.

Concerning the police in Egypt going after Tam's husband because he converted; I don't have to believe it happened; but if it did it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam; it's very clear in our book alhamdulillah I don't have to go through that. I know a christian family who have converted to Islam and have to hide it up to this day because if the church found out they will not be left a lone. Another friend of mine converted and wanted to get married to a muslim and the Egyptian gov. wouldn't let her get married without a paper from church saying that she was not married to a christian previously and she wasn't but still the church wouldn't give her the paper and kept attacking her on why she converted and that they can help "save" her again!! Now I'm not sure if in christianity freedom of religion is allowed or not; but again it's how it is in Egypt! Oh and by the way Tam's husband should know about the priest's wife who converted to Islam and was never found again.....Police have searched for her everywhere and no one knows where she is up to this day!! Also on youtube there's a video of a christian girl who have converted and is now locked in a basement of a church for months and months and no one can do anything about it. So no religion to blame only humans.

[chrisc85 0]

who is VW?

[HLM 1]

who is VW?

VW= Sofiyya.

[chrisc85 0]

who is VW?

VW= Sofiyya.

oh, ok. thanks.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It was our Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salam that forbade marriages between Muslim women and non-Muslim men, not in the early years of Islam but in the years after hijrah. He made his own daughter separate from her non-Muslim husband and they were only allowed to be together again once he converted to Islam.

Sister Aisha, Allah makes it clear that our Prophet could not make any law not first sanctioned by Allah. He could not forbid what Allah had not:

69:43-52: This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of the Worlds. And if he (Muhammad (saaw)) had forged a false saying concerning Us, We surely would have seized him by his right hand and then certainly would have cut off his life artery and none of you could withhold Us from him. And verily this Quran is a Reminder for the pious, conscience. And certainly, We know that there are some among you that belie (this Quran) and indeed it will be an anguish for the disbelievers and certainly it is an absolute truth with certainty, so glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most Great.

No where in the Quran is there a prohibition against Muslim women marrying ahl al kitab men simply because they are non-Muslim. A prohibition created by fiqh in accord with culture is not equal to the law of Sharia.

The law you may be thinking of comes from ayat 60:10, revealed during the Battle of Badr:

O Believers, when Believing women come to you, as emigrants, test them; God very well knows their Belief; then if you know them to be Believers, do not return them to the unbelievers; they are not lawful to them, nor are they (the unbelievers) lawful to them; and give them what they have expended. And there is no blame on you if you marry them, when you have given them their dowries. And do not hold to the ties of the unbelieving women, and ask for what you expended; and let them also ask what they expended; that is God's decision; He decides between you; and God is Knowing, Wise. And if any of your wives has slipped away from you to the unbelievers, and then you retaliate, give those whose wives have gone away, the like of what they expended; and fear God in whom you believe.

I have colored in red the part that commands the men to divorce wives who are hostile to Islam. Umer was one of the Sahaba who lost wives to this directive, demonstrating that it also applied to Muslim men. It is not a command from the Prophet that caused this to be, and note that he did not command his daughter and her husband to divorce, only to separate, because he saw good in his son in law.

In the case of the Prophet's daughter, Zaynab, and her husband Abul, context is important. They were married for many years after her conversion; he remained a non-Muslim. It wasn't until he went to war againt the Muslims and was captured by them that they were forced to separate. I wouldn't want my daughter married to a man who tried to kill me either. However, Muhammad was very impressed by their committment to each other. He did not demand that they divorce, but allowed his SIL's release without a ransom in return for sending his daughter to him.

The Prophet did not separate them because he was non-Muslim, but because he was particular kind of Muslim who had been banned from marriage with ANY Muslim, not just Muslim women. The prohibition against Muslim women marrying out would not be correctly based on this incident, for there were other Muslim women in the early history that remained married to benign non-Muslim men.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm hiring a typist Correction:

The Prophet did not separate them because he was non-Muslim, but because he was particular kind of non-Muslim who had been banned from marriage with ANY Muslim, not just Muslim women. The prohibition against Muslim women marrying out would not be correctly based on this incident, for there were other Muslim women in the early history that remained married to benign non-Muslim men.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

I'm hiring a typist Correction:

The Prophet did not separate them because he was non-Muslim, but because he was particular kind of non-Muslim who had been banned from marriage with ANY Muslim, not just Muslim women. The prohibition against Muslim women marrying out would not be correctly based on this incident, for there were other Muslim women in the early history that remained married to benign non-Muslim men.

thanks! I kept doing double readings on the post above to make sure my eyes were ok.