'Minutemen' Charged In Murders, Tied To Supremacist Groups

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Case in point, Steven doesn't say "conservative", he refers to us as "right wing" or "rethuglicans". The name calling is an attempt to marginalize and malign. It is a pattern of behavior that is getting very old.

He does do that - but it doesn't have anything to do with this thread. So drawing a line in the sand over it seems rather silly.

This just happens to be the thread this discussion evolved in. It could have happened in any number of his mass quantities of threads.

Except the one that doesn't contain the allegation you're making...

[natty bumppo 297]

It isn't a pool - its more of a sliding scale.

like the liberal orientated PETA members?

"liberal orientated PETA members" are a sliding scale? Not sure what you mean there mate...

If you mean - are the "liberal orientated PETA members" part of the scale - then yes.

so they are liberal ...

[GaryC 7]

Case in point, Steven doesn't say "conservative", he refers to us as "right wing" or "rethuglicans". The name calling is an attempt to marginalize and malign. It is a pattern of behavior that is getting very old.

He does do that - but it doesn't have anything to do with this thread. So drawing a line in the sand over it seems rather silly.

This just happens to be the thread this discussion evolved in. It could have happened in any number of his mass quantities of threads.

Except the one that doesn't contain the allegation you're making...

If it makes you feel better we could move it to this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry3033846

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It isn't a pool - its more of a sliding scale.

like the liberal orientated PETA members?

"liberal orientated PETA members" are a sliding scale? Not sure what you mean there mate...

If you mean - are the "liberal orientated PETA members" part of the scale - then yes.

so they are liberal ...

No Natty - they are "Left Wing".

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This is a pretty bad thread to use to suggest that conservatives are being maligned

It's the perfect thread to do just that.

Sure - every thread has whine potential. Its just a shame that the basis for the whine in question isn't present here.

I disagree that disagreement always constitutes a whine, or that this thread is not an attack on conservatives, and for good reason. Steven has become a knee jerk reactionary for attacking conservatives. I believe that a lot of hsi anxiety has to do with him coming to terms with the realization that he made a bad choice by voting for Obama. But his buyer's remorse is misdirected. He needs to look inside, not lash out at others. We may represent what he fears, but deal wth that, not waste time making liberals look insane by trying to make conservatives look insane.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This is a pretty bad thread to use to suggest that conservatives are being maligned

It's the perfect thread to do just that.

Sure - every thread has whine potential. Its just a shame that the basis for the whine in question isn't present here.

I disagree that disagreement always constitutes a whine, or that this thread is not an attack on conservatives, and for good reason. Steven has become a knee jerk reactionary for attacking conservatives. I believe that a lot of hsi anxiety has to do with him coming to terms with the realization that he made a bad choice by voting for Obama. But his buyer's remorse is misdirected. He needs to look inside, not lash out at others. We may represent what he fears, but deal wth that, not waste time making liberals look insane by trying to make conservatives look insane.

So if someone else had posted this story - would it then be a shameless attack on conservatives?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

If White Supremacists are Right Wingers, then Al Qaeda members are Left Wingers.

They're more anarchist, than socialist - but yes.

Now you're getting it

I got it a looooooong time ago.

Then you accept that White Supremacists are part of the right wing?

No, I already said no. It makes no sense to include race supremacists in the same pool as conservatives. They are hardly conservative.

The terms Right/Left wing are pretty broad and all encompassing. Extremists live within those broad terms - hard as it might be to admit that.

Who says?

Who says that the terms Right/Left wing are broad and all encompassing?

Its self-evident.

No, it's not. And repeating the assertion doesn't make it so.

Well if you ask meaningless questions...

You make meaningless assertions

[spookyturtle 9,466]

This is a pretty bad thread to use to suggest that conservatives are being maligned

It's the perfect thread to do just that.

Sure - every thread has whine potential. Its just a shame that the basis for the whine in question isn't present here.

I disagree that disagreement always constitutes a whine, or that this thread is not an attack on conservatives, and for good reason. Steven has become a knee jerk reactionary for attacking conservatives. I believe that a lot of hsi anxiety has to do with him coming to terms with the realization that he made a bad choice by voting for Obama. But his buyer's remorse is misdirected. He needs to look inside, not lash out at others. We may represent what he fears, but deal wth that, not waste time making liberals look insane by trying to make conservatives look insane.

So if someone else had posted this story - would it then be a shameless attack on conservatives?

Why?

[GaryC 7]

This is a pretty bad thread to use to suggest that conservatives are being maligned

It's the perfect thread to do just that.

Sure - every thread has whine potential. Its just a shame that the basis for the whine in question isn't present here.

I disagree that disagreement always constitutes a whine, or that this thread is not an attack on conservatives, and for good reason. Steven has become a knee jerk reactionary for attacking conservatives. I believe that a lot of hsi anxiety has to do with him coming to terms with the realization that he made a bad choice by voting for Obama. But his buyer's remorse is misdirected. He needs to look inside, not lash out at others. We may represent what he fears, but deal wth that, not waste time making liberals look insane by trying to make conservatives look insane.

So if someone else had posted this story - would it then be a shameless attack on conservatives?

As I said before, it is a pattern of behavior. Taken as an isolated story, no.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If White Supremacists are Right Wingers, then Al Qaeda members are Left Wingers.

They're more anarchist, than socialist - but yes.

Now you're getting it

I got it a looooooong time ago.

Then you accept that White Supremacists are part of the right wing?

No, I already said no. It makes no sense to include race supremacists in the same pool as conservatives. They are hardly conservative.

The terms Right/Left wing are pretty broad and all encompassing. Extremists live within those broad terms - hard as it might be to admit that.

Who says?

Who says that the terms Right/Left wing are broad and all encompassing?

Its self-evident.

No, it's not. And repeating the assertion doesn't make it so.

Well if you ask meaningless questions...

You make meaningless assertions

####### for tat.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You are not the authority on how conservatives should respond to Stevie's threads, Six, or who/what is Left or Right.

That settles that.

[nowhereman 1]

This is a pretty bad thread to use to suggest that conservatives are being maligned

It's the perfect thread to do just that.

Sure - every thread has whine potential. Its just a shame that the basis for the whine in question isn't present here.

I disagree that disagreement always constitutes a whine, or that this thread is not an attack on conservatives, and for good reason. Steven has become a knee jerk reactionary for attacking conservatives. I believe that a lot of hsi anxiety has to do with him coming to terms with the realization that he made a bad choice by voting for Obama. But his buyer's remorse is misdirected. He needs to look inside, not lash out at others. We may represent what he fears, but deal wth that, not waste time making liberals look insane by trying to make conservatives look insane.

Again you need to practice what you preach... I agree with some of what you are saying but you clearly have issues with what you consider a liberal mindset. For example suggesting that everyone that voted for Obama has or should have "buyer's remorse" is self-centered & perhaps self-righteous. Start denouncing the right wing mindset here on VJ & you'll have credibility, but until that time you are just being a hypocrite. As for conservatives vs right wing I for one do make a distinction between the two; in my mind right wing is even farther right than conservative (but not as far right as the reactionary/extremist group).

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This is a pretty bad thread to use to suggest that conservatives are being maligned

It's the perfect thread to do just that.

Sure - every thread has whine potential. Its just a shame that the basis for the whine in question isn't present here.

I disagree that disagreement always constitutes a whine, or that this thread is not an attack on conservatives, and for good reason. Steven has become a knee jerk reactionary for attacking conservatives. I believe that a lot of hsi anxiety has to do with him coming to terms with the realization that he made a bad choice by voting for Obama. But his buyer's remorse is misdirected. He needs to look inside, not lash out at others. We may represent what he fears, but deal wth that, not waste time making liberals look insane by trying to make conservatives look insane.

Again you need to practice what you preach... I agree with some of what you are saying but you clearly have issues with what you consider a liberal mindset. For example suggesting that everyone that voted for Obama has or should have "buyer's remorse" is self-centered & perhaps self-righteous. Start denouncing the right wing mindset here on VJ & you'll have credibility, but until that time you are just being a hypocrite. As for conservatives vs right wing I for one do make a distinction between the two; in my mind right wing is even farther right than conservative (but not as far right as the reactionary/extremist group).

I'm quite sure I said STEVIE has buyer's remorse. Are all Obama voters named Stevie?

I don't need your idea of credibility hung on me, than you. Your distinctions are also worthless to me.

[nowhereman 1]

Case in point, Steven doesn't say "conservative", he refers to us as "right wing" or "rethuglicans". The name calling is an attempt to marginalize and malign. It is a pattern of behavior that is getting very old.

“Once you label me, you negate me”

-Soren Kierkegaard quote

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You are not the authority on how conservatives should respond to Stevie's threads, Six, or who/what is Left or Right.

That settles that.

That's interesting - because here I was thinking that you are not the spokesman for Conservatives, Republicans or The Right.

You also seem to be labouring under the strange assumption that the Left and Right in politics are interchangeable concepts.

Strange.