Christian Murdered for Drinking Tea from a Muslim Cup

[mawilson 2,133]

I probably have the most respect for what Sara just said than out of anyone. Im tired of people either making excuses for bad things that happen from people, or people that dont stand up for whats right and wrong.

Yeah, really.

I don't see anyone defend the KKK as "those who act out their prejudices that are borne of centuries of cultural indoctrination";

yet somehow Muslims are always the victims, even when they are the perpetrators.

[Peikko 1,575]

Right. Mawilson, your comparisons are duds. Sadly, it's thinking like this that makes it harder to solve problems than it necessarily should be.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think that was exactly a "defence" Mark - the truth is that there are some very bigoted people out there (including on VJ) who like to use stories like this one as fodder for their own propagandised view of the world.

It doesn't make this murder any less heinous than dozens or hundreds of others - it does beg the question though as to why we should fixate on individual stories for the purposes of saying:

"More from the religion of peace"

[Jenn! 918]

Who is excusing it? I'm not reading things that way at all. This was a heinous murder and the perpetrators should be punished harshly. Religious intolerance is unacceptable no matter what the religion of the victim.

What are the meanings of the predictable comments like "the religion of peace at it again" or "no surprise there"? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it sounds like people are making broad condemnations of a religion rather than of the people who committed the crime.

It just doesn't seem genuine to me to say, "I believe that Islam is a violent religion that encourages its followers to murder others that don't follow the religion. But I know a lot of muslims that seem to be pretty chill most of the time, so they are a-ok."

Edited June 15, 2009 by Jenn!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who is excusing it? I'm not reading things that way at all. This was a heinous murder and the perpetrators should be punished harshly. Religious intolerance is unacceptable no matter what the religion of the victim.

What are the meanings of the predictable comments like "the religion of peace at it again" or "no surprise there"? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it sounds like people are making broad condemnations of a religion rather than of the people who committed the crime.

Its the same old claptrap Luckystrike has been doling out for months. Its his MO in fact.

[Peikko 1,575]

Sheesh, I for one did not say the people who committed the atrocity are simply 'victims' What I have consistently argued is that to say this is typical behaviour for muslims is wrong and disingenuous. People do this all the time, read what is posted, don't simply take your own prejudice and somehow make out it's my opinion.

Edited June 15, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Jenn! 918]

Who is excusing it? I'm not reading things that way at all. This was a heinous murder and the perpetrators should be punished harshly. Religious intolerance is unacceptable no matter what the religion of the victim.

What are the meanings of the predictable comments like "the religion of peace at it again" or "no surprise there"? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it sounds like people are making broad condemnations of a religion rather than of the people who committed the crime.

Its the same old claptrap Luckystrike has been doling out for months years. Its his MO in fact.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

not much discussion for the victim in this thread.......

[mawilson 2,133]

It doesn't make this murder any less heinous than dozens or hundreds of others - it does beg the question though as to why we should fixate on individual stories for the purposes of saying:

Why should we fixate on the waterboarding of JUST THREE terrorists (who by the way are still alive and well)?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn't make this murder any less heinous than dozens or hundreds of others - it does beg the question though as to why we should fixate on individual stories for the purposes of saying:

Why should we fixate on the waterboarding of JUST THREE terrorists (who by the way are still alive and well)?

Likely because our government was responsible for it. "Not in my name..." - and all that...

[Guderian 0]

not much discussion for the victim in this thread.......

The liberals are too busy arguing that the guys who killed him are the victims, and that they don't represent Islam, when they clearly do. None of the liberals posting on this thread have ever lived in a situation in which they weren't sure if they were next, so they're just a bunch of sappy heads in the matter, whose opinion isn't worth spit.

[jundp 191]

Is it unfair to point out that a certain group of people are disproportionately violent, or is it just educational?

You mean that a certain group of Christians feel it is perfectly acceptable to kill a man or a woman who is an abortion doctor in the name of "pro-life"?

There are extremists in ALL religions and cultures. To claim not is a fallacy.

The parallel between the Wahibists in Pakistan and the liberals here on VJ is striking. In both cases a lack of balanced education has created a tool that may be manipulated into violence, in one case in deed, in another by expressed thought. In both cases a violent minority is silencing the majority through intimidation and aggression.

How illuminating the comparison...

I find it very interesting indeed that people find the need to pigeon-hole and label. What do you make of someone who doesn't fall into one of your categories?

I have no doubt that there are many muslims that live peacefully bcz from my own experiences I worked alongside many of them for 9+ yrs. However, let me go back to the Danish cartoon drawing senario a couple years back, and many many of those peacefully living people became insane over a drawing. Thats not cultural, or people being manipulated by power or money.

But the issue there was the cartoon likeness of the Prophet Mohammed, was it not? It's been a while since then, but I think that was really the issue. That does NOT excuse the resulting violence, however, how many people - including people ON VJ - get upset when mocking artwork of Jesus is displayed? I've seen some pretty nasty comments by otherwise peaceful Christians. In fact, I recall one thread where mocking pictures of Jesus were posted and it got pretty nasty. I was offended somewhat by the artwork myself, but there were people who got downright rude. I know that's a weak comparison to the Danish cartoons, but you also have to consider that the media was used on a large scale to mock religion. Would that go over here if it were Christians as the target?

not much discussion for the victim in this thread.......

The liberals are too busy arguing that the guys who killed him are the victims, and that they don't represent Islam, when they clearly do. None of the liberals posting on this thread have ever lived in a situation in which they weren't sure if they were next, so they're just a bunch of sappy heads in the matter, whose opinion isn't worth spit.

Sadly you are full of poopy, Guderian. I wonder how you became all-knowing? God complex much?

You should think before you speak and label. Trust me when I say there are "liberals" on this thread who have "lived in a situation in which they weren't sure if they were next" so you truly don't know everything.

Sadness.

[Peikko 1,575]

Once again, in case you missed it. Those who perpetrated this crime are despicable human beings. However, no they do not represent Islam or the muslim faith. There is no snake pit and neither you, nor I need concern ourselves with eradicating snakes.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

not much discussion for the victim in this thread.......

The liberals are too busy arguing that the guys who killed him are the victims, and that they don't represent Islam, when they clearly do. None of the liberals posting on this thread have ever lived in a situation in which they weren't sure if they were next, so they're just a bunch of sappy heads in the matter, whose opinion isn't worth spit.

What a load of disingenuous garbage.

On yer bike.

[mawilson 2,133]

Who is excusing it? I'm not reading things that way at all.

Perhaps not outright excusing it, but certainly playing it down by making it out to be a non-story:

Its terrible, but $hit like this happens every day.