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Latino-Black Rivalry Helped Fuel G.O.P.’s Takeover of State Senate

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/nyregion...acial.html?_r=2

ALBANY — When two Democratic state senators, Pedro Espada Jr. and Hiram Monserrate, joined Republicans on the Senate floor Monday to kick off their surprise takeover of the chamber, almost every other Democratic senator in the room walked out in anger, shock or disgust.

But as Mr. Espada stood to be sworn in as the new president of the Senate, several other Latino lawmakers, all members of the Assembly, filed into the room and stood behind him, beaming like proud parents.

“There are over two million Latinos in the State of New York; they are looking to be included in a partnership,” Assemblyman José Rivera, a Bronx Democrat, said later. “I don’t know if that’s going to last, but yeah, it’s a proud moment — a Latino making waves.”

Lurking just underneath the partisan battle that broke out this week is an uglier, longer-running rift within the Democratic Party. For years, Latino lawmakers have resented playing junior partner to the state’s powerful black establishment, which has supplied New York with a mayor for its largest city, a governor, and, last winter, the first black Senate majority leader: Malcolm A. Smith, who held that post until Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate defected this week.

Now, while other Democrats have denounced Mr. Espada as a crook and a turncoat, some Latino lawmakers view his ascension as a rightful and long-overdue assertion of their growing power and influence in state politics.

“If you were to poll the Latino members of the Legislature, you’d get a rah-rah response,” said Assemblyman Peter M. Rivera, who is also from the Bronx (but is not related to his colleague José Rivera). “There are a whole bunch of Latino officials who are concerned about representation.”

Because black lawmakers have worked together as a unified bloc within the Legislature, they have been well represented among the leadership in both the Senate and the Assembly. They have long dominated the Black, Puerto Rican, Hispanic and Asian Legislative Caucus, which has elected only one Hispanic chairman since it was founded in the 1960s.

In the Senate, black lawmakers’ unity was key to the election of Mr. Smith, first as the Senate minority leader and then as the majority leader — a position he gained in December only after promising perks and titles to Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate in exchange for their votes.

Latino lawmakers, meanwhile, have long complained of being shut out of top positions. They were angry that no Hispanic candidate was put forward when a vacancy opened up on the State Court of Appeals earlier this year, and even angrier when Gov. David A. Paterson did not appoint a Hispanic to the United States Senate seat vacated by Hillary Rodham Clinton this year.

“There is a black and Latino alliance that at times has been tenuous and at times has been robust,” said Hakeem Jeffries, a black assemblyman from Brooklyn. “This could make it more tenuous.”

Perhaps mindful of these divisions, Mr. Espada has conspicuously wrapped himself in the garb of Latino empowerment, speaking of his new position as a victory for the broader community. Other Democrats, however, note that before defecting, Mr. Espada had demanded from Senate Democrats — and been denied — extra staff members, expensive office space and potentially illegal pork-barrel spending. And on Wednesday, as a group of Senate Democrats negotiated with Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate to come back to the Democratic fold, a sticking point, according to people familiar with the discussions, was whether a black senator would remain the majority leader.

“You’re seeing the ugliest side of identity politics,” said one Democratic lawmaker, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of fears that he could anger his colleagues. “In the name of community liberation, people are negotiating for better jobs for themselves or their children.”

Some Latino lawmakers bristled Wednesday when the Rev. Al Sharpton, an ally of Mr. Smith and Mr. Paterson, organized a demonstration in Mr. Monserrate’s Queens district to pressure him to rejoin the Democratic caucus, though Mr. Monserrate and Mr. Espada remain Democrats. Mr. Sharpton, accompanied by black and Hispanic lawmakers from Queens, said Democrats “cannot to afford to break the coalition” between the two groups.

Viewing Mr. Sharpton’s comments as presumptuous, Assemblyman Peter Rivera said, “It’s kind of disappointing to see race being used to toe the line.”

The divide is not as simple as black and brown, however. Those Latino lawmakers praising Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate are mostly fellow Puerto Ricans. Nearly all represent powerful Bronx political dynasties that have dominated Hispanic politics for years but have recently lost ground to elected officials of other Latino backgrounds, most prominently Dominican.

Those changes have been mirrored, in part, in the evolving name of the minority caucus, once known merely as the Black and Puerto Rican Legislative Caucus. That shift has also been reflected in voting patterns. Where once Puerto Ricans represented an overwhelming majority of Hispanic voters in New York City, migration from Mexico and South America has steadily diminished their clout.

Today, according to census figures, Puerto Ricans represent only about half of registered Hispanic voters in the city. Some Hispanic lawmakers from other backgrounds questioned whether Mr. Espada’s alliance with Republicans was aimed at empowering Latinos.

“Latino empowerment is empty if it does not contain an agenda to move us forward,” said Assemblyman José R. Peralta, a Queens Democrat of Dominican descent. “There are going to be some individuals who are trying to galvanize this as a lightning rod to mobilize people, when what they are really after is personal power.”

Colin Moynihan contributed reporting from New York.

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This Latino/Republican alliance began with President Nixon in the 1970s. I have read plenty about it, but the Sotomayor debacle with Repubicans Rush Limbaugh et al. is actually turning Latin Americans AWAY from the Republican party. The Central and South Americans I have spoken with are disgusted with the way they are perceived by the GOP as well.

It looks like people in your party need to work on the way you are perceived as being more inclusive rather than a (perceived) exclusive bastion of White, Male voters.

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This Latino/Republican alliance began with President Nixon in the 1970s. I have read plenty about it, but the Sotomayor debacle with Repubicans Rush Limbaugh et al. is actually turning Latin Americans AWAY from the Republican party. The Central and South Americans I have spoken with are disgusted with the way they are perceived by the GOP as well.

It looks like people in your party need to work on the way you are perceived as being more inclusive rather than a (perceived) exclusive bastion of White, Male voters.

Apparently when it really counted, inclusiveness was not as important as power, These Latina's found the latter in the GOP.

Perhaps a sign of things to come?

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Apparently when it really counted, inclusiveness was not as important as power, These Latina's found the latter in the GOP.

Perhaps a sign of things to come?

No sound bites. Explain yourself a little more clearly, please.

Ken y Leidys’ Timeline

May 1, 2009 - I-129 F (NOA-1)

Aug 4, 2009 - I-129 F (NOA-2)

Oct 7, 2009 - Bogota Interview

Oct 16, 2009 - Diomesa package arrived in downtown Barranquilla

Oct 20, 2009 - Leidys took bus to Diomesa Office to pick up Visa/Passport package because ("We don't deliver to your Barrio").

Nov 22, 2009 - POE (30 min.) Los Angeles, Intl.

Dec 27, 2009 - Wedding

March 8, 2010 - AOS NOA

April 8, 2010 - AOS BIO (in Riverside, CA)

May 11, 2010 - AOS AP

May 24, 2010 - AOS Interview

May 27, 2010 - AOS EAD May 27, 2010

Jun 18, 2010 - Green Card Received!

Apr 07, 2012 - ROC Filed

Oct 11, 2012 - ROC RFE

Jan 08, 2013 - CONDITIONS REMOVED!!!

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Apparently when it really counted, inclusiveness was not as important as power, These Latina's found the latter in the GOP.

Perhaps a sign of things to come?

No sound bites. Explain yourself a little more clearly, please.

Did you read the news story to which you are commenting?

The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

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"Those people who will not be governed by God


will be ruled by tyrants."



William Penn

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The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

:star: Good. Someone needs to stick up for Bush's failed policies. :thumbs::dance:

Ken y Leidys’ Timeline

May 1, 2009 - I-129 F (NOA-1)

Aug 4, 2009 - I-129 F (NOA-2)

Oct 7, 2009 - Bogota Interview

Oct 16, 2009 - Diomesa package arrived in downtown Barranquilla

Oct 20, 2009 - Leidys took bus to Diomesa Office to pick up Visa/Passport package because ("We don't deliver to your Barrio").

Nov 22, 2009 - POE (30 min.) Los Angeles, Intl.

Dec 27, 2009 - Wedding

March 8, 2010 - AOS NOA

April 8, 2010 - AOS BIO (in Riverside, CA)

May 11, 2010 - AOS AP

May 24, 2010 - AOS Interview

May 27, 2010 - AOS EAD May 27, 2010

Jun 18, 2010 - Green Card Received!

Apr 07, 2012 - ROC Filed

Oct 11, 2012 - ROC RFE

Jan 08, 2013 - CONDITIONS REMOVED!!!

VicFrndz.jpgBAQ+Taxi.jpgclubberz.jpgCumbiaz.jpg

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The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

:star: Good. Someone needs to stick up for Bush's failed policies. :thumbs::dance:

.....Ahhh, you are aware this story is concerning STATE POLITICS (in NY)?????

:bonk:

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"Those people who will not be governed by God


will be ruled by tyrants."



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The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

:star: Good. Someone needs to stick up for Bush's failed policies. :thumbs::dance:

.....Ahhh, you are aware this story is concerning STATE POLITICS (in NY)?????

:bonk:

:lol:

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All politics is local - Tip O'Neill

I know loads of Latinos who are runing from the Dimocrats.

I know some who are, but most here in Southern California who are not.

Ken y Leidys’ Timeline

May 1, 2009 - I-129 F (NOA-1)

Aug 4, 2009 - I-129 F (NOA-2)

Oct 7, 2009 - Bogota Interview

Oct 16, 2009 - Diomesa package arrived in downtown Barranquilla

Oct 20, 2009 - Leidys took bus to Diomesa Office to pick up Visa/Passport package because ("We don't deliver to your Barrio").

Nov 22, 2009 - POE (30 min.) Los Angeles, Intl.

Dec 27, 2009 - Wedding

March 8, 2010 - AOS NOA

April 8, 2010 - AOS BIO (in Riverside, CA)

May 11, 2010 - AOS AP

May 24, 2010 - AOS Interview

May 27, 2010 - AOS EAD May 27, 2010

Jun 18, 2010 - Green Card Received!

Apr 07, 2012 - ROC Filed

Oct 11, 2012 - ROC RFE

Jan 08, 2013 - CONDITIONS REMOVED!!!

VicFrndz.jpgBAQ+Taxi.jpgclubberz.jpgCumbiaz.jpg

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The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

:star: Good. Someone needs to stick up for Bush's failed policies. :thumbs::dance:

.....Ahhh, you are aware this story is concerning STATE POLITICS (in NY)?????

:bonk:

My best friend was a Republican appointee in NY that lost his job when the Democrats assumed power, so I will have to ask him about what happened.

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The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

:star: Good. Someone needs to stick up for Bush's failed policies. :thumbs::dance:

.....Ahhh, you are aware this story is concerning STATE POLITICS (in NY)?????

:bonk:

My best friend was a Republican appointee in NY that lost his job when the Democrats assumed power, so I will have to ask him about what happened.

Report back with that, his take might be interesting.

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"Those people who will not be governed by God


will be ruled by tyrants."



William Penn

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The Hispanics felt there was not enough "power sharing" going on with the Black Democrats so they bailed.

:star: Good. Someone needs to stick up for Bush's failed policies. :thumbs::dance:

.....Ahhh, you are aware this story is concerning STATE POLITICS (in NY)?????

:bonk:

My best friend was a Republican appointee in NY that lost his job when the Democrats assumed power, so I will have to ask him about what happened.

Report back with that, his take might be interesting.

Will do... btw he hates democrats almost as much as you guys do :lol:

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All politics is local - Tip O'Neill

I know loads of Latinos who are runing from the Dimocrats.

I know some who are, but most here in Southern California who are not.

Nothing to be proud of. Cali's going to hell in a handbasket.

Cali's been gone. Demoncrats and gangbangers among a few

sunk that place already. It's an experiment gone bad. Coming

soon to your town, but it's most likely already there. But thats

lib-er-als for ya. Live and let live. Kinda a anything goes view.

Is it any wonder why so many normal people are running away

from filth that they bring. By the way a conservative says you

can do it. A demoncrat lib-er-al says sorry but you can't.

Thier perfect form of socailism is doomed to fail. There is no

such thing. It has never worked and never will.

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