Proof of ongoing relationship question

[subguy812 1]

I also agree that it's an axe that can fall both ways. In my eyes it's almost as if the relationship is there due to the added interest that the beneficiary will get a better life, with the USC paying to support them and their family. I mean, it could come across that way, it doesn't prove a relationship based on love, but one based on monetary gain.

If you think that will help your case, by all means send it, but I'd first check in the regional forums for denial reasons, or how much evidence is really necessary. In the end this is a case by case process and there's the bias of each officer.

Exactly... I probably didn't even need to send it but I did and it wasn't a problem. Does that mean it won't be a problem for you? NO......I dont think anyone here has said that was their PRIMARY evidence, nor did anyone mention that they were supporting their fiance's family, I sure didn't. Providing for the one's you love means many different things. Everyone has said that they sent all of their SKYPE, calling cards, chat logs, emails etc as well as money transfers...I visited six times, over 2 1/2 years, talked daily by phone as well as internet chat, I think I proved my "time" if that is your definition of what makes a bona fide relationship. Time is not an indicator of love either, I was married 21 years the first time and am obviously divorced. I can also remember my high school days spending hours on the phone with my gf du jour, and that sure wasn't true love. You should feel blessed that your love did not ever need your financial help or support, not all of us were fortunate enough to fall in love with someone who could always make it on their own. Many of the countries our spouses come from ONLY know unemployment rates equal to or much higher than we have now in our own country, that is the norm for their lives. If you are capable of "assisting" by providing support for your loved one when they are not with you, you are obviously capable of providing support when they are in the USA. Proving a bona fide relationship and the fact that your non USC spouse will not be a drag on our countries finances is what the criteria is based on. My point is, if you don't think you need it don't send it, but I did and have no idea whether it helped or not. Quite frankly, we should take care before criticizing others based on our own definition of buying love. In the end our opinion doesn't mean much in obtaining the goal of having our loved one with us, it is what the person on the other side of the window at the embassy thinks.

[D&R 0]

I think it's a case of.... if you have nothing else, then include it. But to be honest... if you have nothing else as proof then you've not planned things very well and maybe need to think about things a little more before taking the plunge. Just my humble opinion. I'm guessing you'll have some more evidence anyway... I personally think it's better to stick on the side of caution and if possible, not include it.

[Bryan+Nelia 4life 0]

Me and my CO have a joint account in the Phillipines, and I have to put money in there every month. She has a very low income and I dont want to be a burden to her. She needed to go to Manila for her passport, on my last trip so i put money in for her to buy both are tickets. I also pay for her internet every month so we can webcam and such. I wasnt planning on submitting this as evidence, but would it really be that bad of an idea? She never uses our money for anything for herself even though i tell her too.

[rooster 1]

Me and my CO have a joint account in the Phillipines, and I have to put money in there every month. She has a very low income and I dont want to be a burden to her. She needed to go to Manila for her passport, on my last trip so i put money in for her to buy both are tickets. I also pay for her internet every month so we can webcam and such. I wasnt planning on submitting this as evidence, but would it really be that bad of an idea? She never uses our money for anything for herself even though i tell her too.

You can send in whatever you feel like is necessary. However, Philipines is considered a "high fraud" country. This could raise red flags in your case. In some countries in wont matter. But, the ones considered high fraud, it could have a negative effect. If I were in your shoes, I would not send it in.

[Bryan+Nelia 4life 0]

Me and my CO have a joint account in the Phillipines, and I have to put money in there every month. She has a very low income and I dont want to be a burden to her. She needed to go to Manila for her passport, on my last trip so i put money in for her to buy both are tickets. I also pay for her internet every month so we can webcam and such. I wasnt planning on submitting this as evidence, but would it really be that bad of an idea? She never uses our money for anything for herself even though i tell her too.

You can send in whatever you feel like is necessary. However, Philipines is considered a "high fraud" country. This could raise red flags in your case. In some countries in wont matter. But, the ones considered high fraud, it could have a negative effect. If I were in your shoes, I would not send it in.

So you think I should not tell them about our joint account at all or just not tell them about me funding it? I really dont want to hide anything but i guess omitting information isnt like lying?

[Steve S 2]

Like Subguy, I sent in a Moneygram receipt along with various other types of evidence -- including but not limited to pictures from two different trips (clear from background they are from different seasons of the year), boarding passes and phone bills. The moneygram was sent months after both of the trips to Russia. I wish I had thought about the potential downside of showing a financial "transaction". At the time, my reasoning was that I was deeply committed to the relationship, wanted to share and for my fiancee to be more comfortable while we wait. I am sure this is a common sentiment and reason for sending money, so I will hope that the reviewing authorities will be able to see it this way. If I could do it again, I would choose instead to send a receipt for flowers I sent.

I have seen somewhere in the K1 guides a suggestion for sending receipt for the engagement ring, which I did not do. Particularly if it was a pricey diamond, could this not also be construed as "purchase" of a bride?

[Nik+Heather 121]

Me and my CO have a joint account in the Phillipines, and I have to put money in there every month. She has a very low income and I dont want to be a burden to her. She needed to go to Manila for her passport, on my last trip so i put money in for her to buy both are tickets. I also pay for her internet every month so we can webcam and such. I wasnt planning on submitting this as evidence, but would it really be that bad of an idea? She never uses our money for anything for herself even though i tell her too.

Hello,

I would strongly suggest that you read my previous post in this thread regarding the different ways that people can interpret money exchange. The guys at the consulate - their job is to sniff out fraud and any other suspicion that your fiance isn't in this just because she loves you so much. Just don't give them ANY reason to think that.

Give your fiancee money if you like. It doesn't matter how you work out best to do that, but it just doesn't prove a bonafide relationship for a K1 visa. Later, commingling of assets (when you can BOTH contribute) comes into play, but this is one sided, and it's on the wrong side of what you should be trying to prove.

[rooster 1]

Me and my CO have a joint account in the Phillipines, and I have to put money in there every month. She has a very low income and I dont want to be a burden to her. She needed to go to Manila for her passport, on my last trip so i put money in for her to buy both are tickets. I also pay for her internet every month so we can webcam and such. I wasnt planning on submitting this as evidence, but would it really be that bad of an idea? She never uses our money for anything for herself even though i tell her too.

You can send in whatever you feel like is necessary. However, Philipines is considered a "high fraud" country. This could raise red flags in your case. In some countries in wont matter. But, the ones considered high fraud, it could have a negative effect. If I were in your shoes, I would not send it in.

So you think I should not tell them about our joint account at all or just not tell them about me funding it? I really dont want to hide anything but i guess omitting information isnt like lying?

They don't ask on the forms about any form of joint bank account. If the CO asks about it during the interview, I would be truthful and tell them. NEVER lie. Odds are, if they ask about it, they already know you have one. Just don't volunteer any information that is not required. As long as you have plenty of other proof of relationship, you should be fine and not need to disclose the joint account. Another thing that might help, in case the account comes up, would be to have your SO depositing her income there as well. Then it truly IS a joint account that both contribute to.

Edited June 18, 2009 by rooster