Circumcision

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Brown delivers!

[Amby 490]

poo?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

poo?

You otta get one of those outfits!

[scandal 951]

poo?

You otta get one of those outfits!

Agreed. Amby, I'll order ya a UPS outfit with the tight brown shorts first thing in the morning!

[Amby 490]

poo?

You otta get one of those outfits!

Agreed. Amby, I'll order ya a UPS outfit with the tight brown shorts first thing in the morning!

ok let me have some more plastic surgery first

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

poo?

You otta get one of those outfits!

Agreed. Amby, I'll order ya a UPS outfit with the tight brown shorts first thing in the morning!

Why dont you just loan her yours?

[Nessa 23]

lube, #######, bj, sex, wanker, ...

I know.... #######... now I unwillingly know who on VJ is cut and who isn't

At least this thread doesn't have an accompanying photo gallery.

Random memory sorta related to the topic: When I was in college, I dated a guy from Poland for about six months. It was my first foreskin experience. He'd moved to the States as a teenager and had a heavy Polish accent, plus a slight stutter. Apparently I provided his first BJ. His feedback: "Wow. That's very s-s-s-s-stimulating." God love him.

:lol:

[Marina-Del 10]

Someone said yesterday that having a foreskin gets in the way of using a condom....

I've never had that experience. My "friends" have all been able to use condoms fine. If you're a girl, sounds like you got played....If you're a boy, sorry your ####### is weird.

[aidan80 9]

Who knew? This is apparently a very controversial subject on VJ.

And here I thought it was just a routine minor surgical procedure undergone by millions of babies every year.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/system/surgic...rcumcision.html

Whether you're expecting a baby boy or have just welcomed your new little guy into the world, you have an important decision to make before you take your son home: whether to circumcise him.

For some families, the choice is simple because it's based on cultural or religious beliefs. But for others, the right option isn't as clear. Before you make a circumcision decision, it's important to talk to your doctor and consider some of the issues.

About Circumcision

Boys are born with a hood of skin, called the foreskin, covering the head (also called the glans) of the #######. In circumcision, the foreskin is surgically removed, exposing the end of the #######.

Approximately 55% to 65% of all newborn boys are circumcised in the United States each year, though this rate varies by region (western states have the lowest rates and the north central region has the highest). The procedure is much more widespread in the United States, Canada, and the Middle East than in Asia, South America, Central America, and most of Europe, where it's uncommon.

Parents who choose circumcision often do so based on religious beliefs, concerns about hygiene, or cultural or social reasons, such as the wish to have their son look like other men in the family.

Routine circumcision is usually performed during the first 10 days (often within the first 48 hours), either in the hospital or, for some religious ritual circumcisions, at home. If you decide to have your son circumcised at the hospital, your pediatrician, family doctor, or obstetrician will perform the procedure before you bring your baby home. The doctor should prepare you by telling you about the procedure he or she will use and the possible risks. Circumcision after the newborn period can be a more complicated procedure and usually requires general anesthesia.

To be honest I'm happy that my manhood is fully intact and at hasn't been mutilated while I was a child unable to defend myself or make the decision for myself. The hygiene issue is easy.. wash the thing regular like you would your ####### or armpits or anything else that might get dirty, stinky or otherwise cheesy!! I mean come on women wash their genital areas do they not? They don't need to be mutilated at birth in order to be "clean"? Although we've all heard about female genital mutilation where's the male genital mutilation.. Where it is, is in the hospitals and clinics where people give their boys the chop and forever condemn them to a less than normal experience as an adult male.

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

What?!!!!!!! I was trying to explain it to the man!

I should make tshirts that say "embrace the foreskin"

amby's new motto: carpe prepuce!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Who knew? This is apparently a very controversial subject on VJ.

And here I thought it was just a routine minor surgical procedure undergone by millions of babies every year.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/system/surgic...rcumcision.html

Whether you're expecting a baby boy or have just welcomed your new little guy into the world, you have an important decision to make before you take your son home: whether to circumcise him.

For some families, the choice is simple because it's based on cultural or religious beliefs. But for others, the right option isn't as clear. Before you make a circumcision decision, it's important to talk to your doctor and consider some of the issues.

About Circumcision

Boys are born with a hood of skin, called the foreskin, covering the head (also called the glans) of the #######. In circumcision, the foreskin is surgically removed, exposing the end of the #######.

Approximately 55% to 65% of all newborn boys are circumcised in the United States each year, though this rate varies by region (western states have the lowest rates and the north central region has the highest). The procedure is much more widespread in the United States, Canada, and the Middle East than in Asia, South America, Central America, and most of Europe, where it's uncommon.

Parents who choose circumcision often do so based on religious beliefs, concerns about hygiene, or cultural or social reasons, such as the wish to have their son look like other men in the family.

Routine circumcision is usually performed during the first 10 days (often within the first 48 hours), either in the hospital or, for some religious ritual circumcisions, at home. If you decide to have your son circumcised at the hospital, your pediatrician, family doctor, or obstetrician will perform the procedure before you bring your baby home. The doctor should prepare you by telling you about the procedure he or she will use and the possible risks. Circumcision after the newborn period can be a more complicated procedure and usually requires general anesthesia.

To be honest I'm happy that my manhood is fully intact and at hasn't been mutilated while I was a child unable to defend myself or make the decision for myself. The hygiene issue is easy.. wash the thing regular like you would your ####### or armpits or anything else that might get dirty, stinky or otherwise cheesy!! I mean come on women wash their genital areas do they not? They don't need to be mutilated at birth in order to be "clean"? Although we've all heard about female genital mutilation where's the male genital mutilation.. Where it is, is in the hospitals and clinics where people give their boys the chop and forever condemn them to a less than normal experience as an adult male.

I'm glad I'm circumcised so I don't have to wash.

[mawilson 2,133]

I'm glad I'm circumcised so I don't have to wash.

[Marina-Del 10]

I'm glad I'm circumcised so I don't have to wash.

Double :dead:

[scandal 951]

I'm glad I'm circumcised so I don't have to wash.

Double :dead:

Way to get a "rise" out of folks, Spooky!

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Wow. Ok, with that very convincing mound of "evidence", you win.

I concede.

I'll go out to get my foreskin re-attached asap.

You make two unsubstantiated claims. (a) that there is a multimillion dollar business to be protected in the performance of circumcisions, implying that there is some form of lobby or conspiracy to promote the practice

# If circumcision doesn't provide any health benefits, then why do doctors still do it?

The primary reason in the United States is cosmetic. The image of the circumcised ####### has become so much a part of our cultural consciousness that most people do not know what a non-circumcised ####### looks like. They may feel that the natural look is ugly or may think it is unhygienic. Discomfort with the natural appearance of the ####### is a learned response.

Tradition is powerful. Many parents cite their desire to have their son look like his father, or like his friends. As the circumcision rate in the U.S. falls (it is now around 60%), the intact ####### will become the norm instead.

Some parents ask for circumcision because they believe that it will save their sons from having health problems later in life. In fact, circumcision does not provide any protection against infection, penile cancer, or sexually-transmitted diseases (including HIV/AIDS), and does not reduce the rate of cervical cancer in female partners. (See the Circumcision Information Resource Center, under "The role of the prepuce in prevention of disease and infections.") Myths about circumcision are slow to die and are still used to justify many surgeries.

Another reason doctors continue to perform circumcisions is that they, like the general public, are unaware of the value of the foreskin. The standard medical education in the United States includes the technique of circumcision but lacks a description of normal penile anatomy or function. Around the turn of the previous century, medical textbooks began printing images of circumcised penises instead of intact ones, so most medical students do not even have the opportunity to learn what a normal adult ####### looks like.

Many doctors and medical students are not aware that infant circumcision is not recommended by any national medical organization in the world.

Circumcision is also a procedure that doctors can perform in just a few minutes. The cost of an infant circumcision is a few hundred dollars. Amputated foreskins can be sold later to pharmaceutical and medical companies for use in research and in the production of shampoos, emollients, and skin for burn therapy. These financial incentives may complicate the issue.

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(b ) that the practices of male and female circumcision are somehow equivalent.

# Isn't female circumcision worse than male circumcision?

Female circumcision is typically viewed as more horrific than male circumcision because it is usually done under unhygienic conditions rather than in a hospital, and because one form of female circumcision, infibulation, is particularly severe. However, both male and female circumcisions are classed as genital mutilation by the International Coalition for Genital Integrity. Both forms of circumcision remove functional, normal tissue, cause extreme pain, permanently disfigure the genitals, and permanently damage the sexual response. And in most cultures where female circumcision is performed, male circumcision is also performed with equally unhygienic instruments. Regardless of the child's gender, when done to infants or children, unnecessary genital surgeries violate human rights because they are amputations performed without medical need and without the individual's consent.

The World Health Organization recognizes three types of female circumcision. Type I removes the clitoral hood and/or the clitoral tip. Type II removes the clitoral hood, #######, and part or all of the #######. Type III, also known as infibulation or pharaonic circumcision, involves removal of all external female genitalia and suturing of the vaginal opening.

Male circumcision can be compared to type I or II female circumcision. Although the glans is not harmed at the time of circumcision, the loss of protective structures causes it to dry out and lose sensitivity over time. It is also important to note that most of the nerves and pleasure receptors present in the ####### are, in the male, present in the foreskin and its associated structure, the frenulum. Removal of these nerves constitutes a loss that can be most adequately compared to a partial clitoridectomy.

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Thank you for your posting of the complete text of a countering position by the "doctors opposing circumcision". I had seen their web page when I posted my CDC article yesterday. No doubt there are doctors and others professionals who disagree, even strongly. And that is good. There should be debate and more studies done, and the existing studies should be critiqued. That is valid science. I do note however that the CDC opinion is based upon peer reviewed journal submissions. The webpage you cite does not. I personally would give the CDC higher marks for authority on the subject, that is why I quoted from their web page as opposed to other sources I may have chosen. You are free to disagree with me.

References for the article (omited on the original posting due to being too long)

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Again - if you personally feel that male circumcision has no benefit and in fact is somehow harmful, by all means do not have it performed on your children and feel free to speak your mind against it. I am circumcised, my sons are circumcised. I know for fact that no trauma has occurred to me personally as a result. And I am open to the possibility that there may be associated health benefits to the procedure.

If circumcision were really harmful, wouldn't a lot of men be talking about it?

A lot of men are. National organizations such as NOCIRC (National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers) and NORM (National Organization for Restoring Men) testify to the existence of millions of men who have lost sensitivity and function due to circumcision. Married, single, heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual men of all ages are finding that their adult sexuality has been compromised by the loss of their foreskins in infancy.

Because our culture discourages men from admitting feelings of inadequacy or discussing health problems, particularly those of a sexual nature, many men have felt unable to describe their problems or have not found a receptive audience to their concerns. Many are also unaware of how much feeling they have lost; it is impossible for a circumcised man to know what his experience of sexuality would have been, had he not been circumcised. There is medical literature suggesting that circumcision causes sexual dysfunction later in life, as well as anecdotal evidence from circumcised men who experienced problems with chafing or lack of pleasure from sex (see Personal Stories).

Circumcision affects each man differently. During the healing process, some may be able to reroute more or fewer of the severed nerves and blood vessels and may retain more or less ability too feel. Some men feel numb during sexual activity and are unable to feel any pleasure. One man who was circumcised as an adult compared his sexual experiences before and after to the difference between seeing in color, and seeing in black and white.

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Saludos,

Caro

Edited June 13, 2009 by uscandual

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

I'm glad I'm circumcised so I don't have to wash.

Double :dead:

Way to get a "rise" out of folks, Spooky!

but if amby washes her hands prior to trying to straighten him out, won't that count?