Victim Allegedly Raped By U.S. Soldiers was Only 15

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

Back to the discussion at hand, I find it abhorrent that people would call our soldiers "sociopaths" based on the actions of one crazy man.

If the guy did it, then he should go to prison for the rest of his life.

I did not call all of them sociopaths and I wish he wasn't one today... That's all they've talked about on the news today .... his anti-social behavorial disorder.... He's going to get away with this on the basis that he's crazy!!!!

Not to mention the fact that they moved him to KY today... anyone from KY here? Do they support the death penalty there?

who specifically has custody of him? the military?

No, that was another announcement today... he's not going to be tried in a military court but in a federal court. I think that's a plus but I'm not sure.

that depends on what you want to happen to him. he can face the death penalty in either case. but he stands a better chance in federal pen of getting done to him what he did to that poor girl.

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...he stands a better chance in federal pen of getting done to him what he did to that poor girl.

Hello, Bubba.

[Veiled Princess 1]

ok, turn off the rant switch now. what about my previous question?

as for the prison camps rapes etc.....please include more facts. i have no clue what country this allegedly took place in. thank you.

Read about it here. This attorney has been investigating these reports for lawsuits that are now being prepared.

It's also important to point out that not a lot of women from that society are going to report being raped. The culture there is ultra-conservative and most of these women are virgins and think of being raped as shame. They're embarrassed and afraid that their pics will be plastered all over for anyone to see them and know the details.

I answered your previous question but the other posts bashing anyone who doesn't support the war as being bad Americans caught my eye.

Edited July 7, 2006 by veiledprincesslayla

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

ok, turn off the rant switch now. what about my previous question?

as for the prison camps rapes etc.....please include more facts. i have no clue what country this allegedly took place in. thank you.

Read about it here. This attorney has been investigating these reports for lawsuits that are now being prepared.

It's also important to point out that not a lot of women from that society are going to report being raped. The culture there is ultra-conservative and most of these women are virgins and think of being raped as shame. They're embarrassed and afraid that their pics will be plastered all over for anyone to see them and know the details.

I answered your previous question but the other posts bashing anyone who doesn't support the war as being bad Americans caught my eye.

i've looked all over that link and nowhere do i find any instance of that above being mentioned, with the sole exception of one person specifically alleging rape.

[Veiled Princess 1]

i've looked all over that link and nowhere do i find any instance of that above being mentioned, with the sole exception of one person specifically alleging rape.

It talks about them reporting "abuses" ... rape is included in the reports as mentioned.

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

i've looked all over that link and nowhere do i find any instance of that above being mentioned, with the sole exception of one person specifically alleging rape.

It talks about them reporting "abuses" ... rape is included in the reports as mentioned.

still a far cry from your earlier statement of "It's also important to point out that not a lot of women from that society are going to report being raped." nowhere in that article does it even hint that women were stating such.

[Veiled Princess 1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004May20.html

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/

http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/14073.php

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1861

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,...1406320,00.htmlorldnews/region.php?id=86121&region=6]http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=86121&region=6[/url]

"A former male prisoner, Amer Abu Durayid, 30, who was released on May 13, reported seeing women taken into a room. "They had to pass in front of our tent and cried out, 'Find a way to kill us'," he said.

Human rights groups say in a conservative society like Iraq, women are made to feel that rape dishonours the whole family and would prefer to die."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,...1406320,00.html

"Baghdad - More than 400 Iraqi women have been kidnapped and raped amid the lawlessness gripping the country since the ouster of Saddam Hussein, the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq said on Sunday.

The group's director Yanar Mohammed said the four months since the US-led coalition took control had seen an "unprecedented" explosion of violence against women.

"More than 400 women have endured the pain and suffering of being kidnapped, raped and sometimes sold," she told reporters at a demonstration in Baghdad's Fardous Square.

"This violence is still a daily occurrence, especially on the streets of Baghdad, without attracting the least attention of the (US) soldiers."

So when the soldiers aren't raping them they are ignoring the fact that they're being raped by others. Where's the protection???

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0421,mondo2,53784,6.html

Mondo Washington

Rape at Abu Ghraib

'We have daughters, husbands. For god's sake don't tell anyone.'

by James Ridgeway

May 25th, 2004 12:00 PM

Additional reporting: Oorlagh George and Alicia Ng

Practically ignored in the Abu Ghraib torture scandal are the Iraqi female prisoners who have told their attorneys they were raped by U.S. soldiers. The Taguba report confirms that some women were indeed raped by American G.I.'s. There is one photo of an American soldier having sex with an Iraqi woman. And there is the by now infamous story of how American soldiers harnessed a 70-year-old woman and rode her around, calling her a donkey.

One hint of the rape aspect of the torture scandal came last December, when a note smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a female prisoner claimed that American guards were raping the female detainees. There are few women in the prison; the note said some of the women were now pregnant. According to a report last week in The Guardian (U.K.), the note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame. Amal Kadham Swadi, one of seven Iraqi female attorneys who are attempting to represent detained women, visited a detainee at a U.S. military base in Baghdad last November and later told The Guardian, "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped. Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off, and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.' "

Although the Taguba report makes specific reference to the abuse of female Iraqi prisoners, the Bush administration has refused to release photos of Iraqi women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts—no doubt to spare Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld further embarrassment.

A 70 year old woman for God's sake????

The letter mentioned in this article???? Here it is in English... she begs to be killed!!!

Letter from Fatima in Abu Ghariab

The following is a letter from the Abu Ghraib prison. Fatima's letter, a hand written document, was recently smuggled out of Abu Ghraib. Fatima is the sister of one of the celebrated Resistance fighters in the area. US occupation forces raided his house some time back but failed to find him, so they took his sister prisoner in an attempt to force him to give himself up. Here is Fatima's letter as originally published in Arabic by Mafkarat al-Islam and translated to English by Muhammad Abu Nasr of Free Arab Voice.

Fatima's Letter

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Mercy-giving.

"Say He is God the One; God the Source [of everything]; Not has He fathered, nor has He been fathered; nor is anything comparable to Him." [Qur'an, Surat 112 "al-Ikhlas"]

I chose this noble Surah from the Book of God because it has the greatest impact on me and on all of you and it strikes a particular kind of awe in the hearts of Believers.

My brothers in the path of God! What can I say to you? I say to you: our wombs have been filled with the children of fornication by those sons of apes and pigs who raped us. Or I could tell you that they have defaced our bodies, spit in our faces, and tore up the little copies of the Qur'an that hung around our necks? God is greatest! Can you not comprehend our situation? Is it true that you do not know what is happening to us? We are your sisters. God will be calling you to account [about this] tomorrow.

By God, we have not passed one night since we have been in prison without one of the apes and pigs jumping down upon us to rip our bodies apart with his overweening lust. And we are the ones who had guarded our virginity out of fear of God. Fear God! Kill us along with them! Destroy us along with them! Don't leave us here to let them get pleasure from raping us! It will be an act to ennoble the Throne of Almighty God. Fear God regarding us! Leave their tanks and aircraft outside. Come at us here in the prison of Abu Ghurayb.

I am your sister in God (Fatimah). They raped me on one day more than nine times. Can you comprehend? Imagine one of your sisters being raped. Why can't you all imagine it, as I am your sister. With me are 13 girls, all unmarried. All have been raped before the eyes and ears of everyone.

They won't let us pray. They took our clothes and won't let us get dressed. As I write this letter one of the girls has committed suicide. She was savagely raped. A soldier hit her on her chest and thigh after raping her. He subjected her to unbelievable torture. She beat her head against the wall of the cell until she died, for she couldn't take any more, even though suicide is forbidden in Islam. But I excuse that girl. I have hope that God will forgive her, because He is the Most Merciful of all.

Brothers, I tell you again, fear God! Kill us with them so that we might be at peace. Help! Help! Help! [Wa Mu'atasima!]"

Is this rare? Once is rare... twice is rare.... 13 at one time is not rare!

Can you imagine begging for someone to kill you because of the pain and humiliation you've been subjected to? Can you imagine bashing your head into the wall until you die to escape the pain?

I can't write anymore right now

[Veiled Princess 1]

The broken link from above

Sorry I don't know how that got so wide...

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Oh my gosh. I can not believe how awful that is! I feel so much for those women. No one deserves to be put through that.

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Oh my gosh. I can not believe how awful that is! I feel so much for those women. No one deserves to be put through that.

[ual777 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004May20.html

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/

http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/14073.php

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1861

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,...1406320,00.htmlorldnews/region.php?id=86121&region=6]http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=86121&region=6[/url]

"A former male prisoner, Amer Abu Durayid, 30, who was released on May 13, reported seeing women taken into a room. "They had to pass in front of our tent and cried out, 'Find a way to kill us'," he said.

Human rights groups say in a conservative society like Iraq, women are made to feel that rape dishonours the whole family and would prefer to die."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,...1406320,00.html

"Baghdad - More than 400 Iraqi women have been kidnapped and raped amid the lawlessness gripping the country since the ouster of Saddam Hussein, the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq said on Sunday.

The group's director Yanar Mohammed said the four months since the US-led coalition took control had seen an "unprecedented" explosion of violence against women.

"More than 400 women have endured the pain and suffering of being kidnapped, raped and sometimes sold," she told reporters at a demonstration in Baghdad's Fardous Square.

"This violence is still a daily occurrence, especially on the streets of Baghdad, without attracting the least attention of the (US) soldiers."

So when the soldiers aren't raping them they are ignoring the fact that they're being raped by others. Where's the protection???

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0421,mondo2,53784,6.html

Mondo Washington

Rape at Abu Ghraib

'We have daughters, husbands. For god's sake don't tell anyone.'

by James Ridgeway

May 25th, 2004 12:00 PM

Additional reporting: Oorlagh George and Alicia Ng

Practically ignored in the Abu Ghraib torture scandal are the Iraqi female prisoners who have told their attorneys they were raped by U.S. soldiers. The Taguba report confirms that some women were indeed raped by American G.I.'s. There is one photo of an American soldier having sex with an Iraqi woman. And there is the by now infamous story of how American soldiers harnessed a 70-year-old woman and rode her around, calling her a donkey.

One hint of the rape aspect of the torture scandal came last December, when a note smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a female prisoner claimed that American guards were raping the female detainees. There are few women in the prison; the note said some of the women were now pregnant. According to a report last week in The Guardian (U.K.), the note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame. Amal Kadham Swadi, one of seven Iraqi female attorneys who are attempting to represent detained women, visited a detainee at a U.S. military base in Baghdad last November and later told The Guardian, "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped. Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off, and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.' "

Although the Taguba report makes specific reference to the abuse of female Iraqi prisoners, the Bush administration has refused to release photos of Iraqi women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts—no doubt to spare Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld further embarrassment.

A 70 year old woman for God's sake????

The letter mentioned in this article???? Here it is in English... she begs to be killed!!!

Letter from Fatima in Abu Ghariab

The following is a letter from the Abu Ghraib prison. Fatima's letter, a hand written document, was recently smuggled out of Abu Ghraib. Fatima is the sister of one of the celebrated Resistance fighters in the area. US occupation forces raided his house some time back but failed to find him, so they took his sister prisoner in an attempt to force him to give himself up. Here is Fatima's letter as originally published in Arabic by Mafkarat al-Islam and translated to English by Muhammad Abu Nasr of Free Arab Voice.

Fatima's Letter

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Mercy-giving.

"Say He is God the One; God the Source [of everything]; Not has He fathered, nor has He been fathered; nor is anything comparable to Him." [Qur'an, Surat 112 "al-Ikhlas"]

I chose this noble Surah from the Book of God because it has the greatest impact on me and on all of you and it strikes a particular kind of awe in the hearts of Believers.

My brothers in the path of God! What can I say to you? I say to you: our wombs have been filled with the children of fornication by those sons of apes and pigs who raped us. Or I could tell you that they have defaced our bodies, spit in our faces, and tore up the little copies of the Qur'an that hung around our necks? God is greatest! Can you not comprehend our situation? Is it true that you do not know what is happening to us? We are your sisters. God will be calling you to account [about this] tomorrow.

By God, we have not passed one night since we have been in prison without one of the apes and pigs jumping down upon us to rip our bodies apart with his overweening lust. And we are the ones who had guarded our virginity out of fear of God. Fear God! Kill us along with them! Destroy us along with them! Don't leave us here to let them get pleasure from raping us! It will be an act to ennoble the Throne of Almighty God. Fear God regarding us! Leave their tanks and aircraft outside. Come at us here in the prison of Abu Ghurayb.

I am your sister in God (Fatimah). They raped me on one day more than nine times. Can you comprehend? Imagine one of your sisters being raped. Why can't you all imagine it, as I am your sister. With me are 13 girls, all unmarried. All have been raped before the eyes and ears of everyone.

They won't let us pray. They took our clothes and won't let us get dressed. As I write this letter one of the girls has committed suicide. She was savagely raped. A soldier hit her on her chest and thigh after raping her. He subjected her to unbelievable torture. She beat her head against the wall of the cell until she died, for she couldn't take any more, even though suicide is forbidden in Islam. But I excuse that girl. I have hope that God will forgive her, because He is the Most Merciful of all.

Brothers, I tell you again, fear God! Kill us with them so that we might be at peace. Help! Help! Help! [Wa Mu'atasima!]"

Is this rare? Once is rare... twice is rare.... 13 at one time is not rare!

Can you imagine begging for someone to kill you because of the pain and humiliation you've been subjected to? Can you imagine bashing your head into the wall until you die to escape the pain?

I can't write anymore right now

Lets put this into perspective. First of all, the 400 raped women were not raped by Americans. Iraq is a war zone, and it is rediculous to expect the American troops to be everywhere at all times. Blame the people responsible.

Secondly, over 1,000,000 troops have been rotated to Iraq since the war began.

I will be liberal and assume 50 Iraqi women have been raped by American soldiers.

Assuming a different soldier was responsible for each rape, that comes out to one in 20,000 American soldiers raping a woman. Or more plainly put, a .005 chance of being raped by an American soldier. Remember, this is using a number roughly 5 times greater than what has been reported. Further, the 1,000,000 number is less than actual, so the actual chance would be closer to .009. Not exactly "often". That being said, it is 50 too much for my tastes.

By comparison, there is a .06 chance of a woman being raped in the US. Roughly 8 times more likely!

Again, I heavily skewed these numbers to present a situation 4 times worse than what has been reported in Iraq to make up for the 'unwillingness' of Iraqi women to come forward.

So, tell me what you learned today.....

PS. BTW I never called ANYONE a bad American, but I was called a pig.

[Veiled Princess 1]

If you read my post you'd have seen that I acknowladged the fact that not all the women have been raped by Americans BUT the American soldiers are supposed to be there to protect the innocent Iraqis, no? Why don't they take the reports seriously? How can we expect more women to come forward when the ones who do are ignored or condemned? When SOME of the rapes are by American soldiers do you really think Iraqi women feel safe to come forward? When American soldiers are watching the Iraqi soldiers (whom we're training) rape prisoners, do you honestly think they are not also in the wrong?

ONE is too many for my taste.

I thought one of the reasons we are there is to "liberate" the Iraqi women? If you recall from one of the links I provided, Iraqi women are scared to leave their homes. They were free to come and go freely under Saddam's rule. Did we really liberate them? Is it liberating to women to rape some and scare most to the point that they lock themselves in their homes? It's great that women can vote there now... it's just too bad that they are probably scared they'll be raped on the way to the polls. Most people in America are just too lazy to go out to vote... I couldn't imagine being actually afraid to go.

This is just one of the major problems I have with war. Men play their games and fight for control of the world and it's the innocent women and children who get caught in the middle.

Palestinian women raped as well

"U.S. soldiers' sexual abuse of Iraqi detainees in Abu Gharib was simply "a replica of a long-running Israeli practice".

Ual777, I'm sorry I called you a pig. As you can imagine this topic gets me rather emotional. Let us just agree that the ongoing rape of these women is wrong and should end.

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004May20.html

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/

http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/14073.php

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1861

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,...1406320,00.htmlorldnews/region.php?id=86121&region=6]http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=86121&region=6[/url]

"A former male prisoner, Amer Abu Durayid, 30, who was released on May 13, reported seeing women taken into a room. "They had to pass in front of our tent and cried out, 'Find a way to kill us'," he said.

Human rights groups say in a conservative society like Iraq, women are made to feel that rape dishonours the whole family and would prefer to die."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,...1406320,00.html

"Baghdad - More than 400 Iraqi women have been kidnapped and raped amid the lawlessness gripping the country since the ouster of Saddam Hussein, the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq said on Sunday.

The group's director Yanar Mohammed said the four months since the US-led coalition took control had seen an "unprecedented" explosion of violence against women.

"More than 400 women have endured the pain and suffering of being kidnapped, raped and sometimes sold," she told reporters at a demonstration in Baghdad's Fardous Square.

"This violence is still a daily occurrence, especially on the streets of Baghdad, without attracting the least attention of the (US) soldiers."

So when the soldiers aren't raping them they are ignoring the fact that they're being raped by others. Where's the protection???

this one is so lengthy i'll have to answer it in installments

your last line does not belong there. you quote this one news article (from news24) and nowhere in it does it state or hint that us soldiers are doing this. your post makes it seem that such is in there when it is not.

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

upon reviewing your links, it does seem that there is few cases of rape by american military there. unfortunately finding it within all that sensational journalism is not easy. most of what i read about sounds like something that occurs at a frat house hazing.

it concerns me that there is an allegation of an army translator raping a boy, and one male MP guard having sex with a female detainee. (please note that having sex with does not infer rape).

however, in one article it states: A highly placed source in the Pentagon said: “We have done investigations into accusations of juveniles being abused and raped and can’t find anything that resembles that.”

now i know some won't consider it possible that some or any of these allegations of raping women, boys, whichever - could be false. i do have faith that the us military will investigate and punish anyone doing wrong.

what bugs me is the sensational journalism here. from this link link 1 it states this: Such animalistic, abhorrent and repulsive crimes are deliberately committed by western forces to attack the very root of the Islamic psyche.

but oddly enough, this same article states that it was iraqi forces implicated in one rape, not "western" ones. the other allegations of such concerned israel. NOT ONE AMERICAN was listed in that article. interesting eh?

now to read more links

Edited July 7, 2006 by charlesandnessa

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

one interesting note here. one of those links you provided msnbc has published classified information. paragraph 33. nice to know they have no reservations about giving out military secrets eh?