Victim Allegedly Raped By U.S. Soldiers was Only 15

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

i can see fishdude having a coronary reading that above.......

[Scott & Lai 12]

Lastly, people get raped and killed in wars. However, the US military has been extremely reserved in their treatment of the Iraqi people, especially when you consider the type of war that they are fighting.

Further, did anyone see the recent report of WMDs that were found in Iraq? Yes, thats right 500 chemical warheads with sarin and mustard gas. Looks like Bush was right.

Uh...I hope you're not saying that rape is ok in war? Rape does happen in war, but it is never justifiable.

Regarding the warheads found, yeah, I heard about that. But they won't be called WMD, at least not by the Left, because their tongues would reach into the top of their skulls and throttle their brains before they could ever get the words "Bush was right" out of their mouths

[Veiled Princess 1]

Oh and Layla, the enemy is the insurgency. I don't see anyone here crying and condemning when our two soldiers had to be identified WITH DNA EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO MUTILATED!

Funny, I thought the enemy was bin laden and alqaeda?

The iraqi people have a right to defend their home just like you or I would do if invading soldiers were killing our family...

I think it's sad that anyone has died in this war because I believe bush is an idiotic greedy oil tycoon concered with fattening his own pockets instead of the well being of the American public but I have a little less sympathy for the death of soldiers when that's what they signed up for. I'm not saying I think they should die or that I'm happy it happened before anyone tries to twist my words here but this girl and her family were not terrorists, soldiers, insurgents, etc... they were just people trying to live in their home which happens to be occupied at the time by the US. They didn't ask us to come there and they surely didn't ask us to send our sociopaths over there to torment and terroize them. It's not her fault that some sick soldier couldn't keep it in his pants or that he felt the only answer after making that mistake was to kill her and her family to try to cover it up and blame it on a non existant terrorist attack. That makes me wonder just how many of the "terrorists attacks" that happen over there are real and not just being staged by soldiers.

There is really no sense in aruing this matter with you since, with your statement "Lastly, people get raped and killed in wars.", you prove that you're a pig. It is NOT ok to rape women during a war!!!!! It's NOT ok to kill children in wars!!!! It's NOT ok to kill ANY innocent people in wars!!!!! I guess we should all be a little more fearful if you decide to enlist!

[ual777 0]

Oh and Layla, the enemy is the insurgency. I don't see anyone here crying and condemning when our two soldiers had to be identified WITH DNA EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO MUTILATED!

Funny, I thought the enemy was bin laden and alqaeda?

The iraqi people have a right to defend their home just like you or I would do if invading soldiers were killing our family...

I think it's sad that anyone has died in this war because I believe bush is an idiotic greedy oil tycoon concered with fattening his own pockets instead of the well being of the American public but I have a little less sympathy for the death of soldiers when that's what they signed up for. I'm not saying I think they should die or that I'm happy it happened before anyone tries to twist my words here but this girl and her family were not terrorists, soldiers, insurgents, etc... they were just people trying to live in their home which happens to be occupied at the time by the US. They didn't ask us to come there and they surely didn't ask us to send our sociopaths over there to torment and terroize them. It's not her fault that some sick soldier couldn't keep it in his pants or that he felt the only answer after making that mistake was to kill her and her family to try to cover it up and blame it on a non existant terrorist attack. That makes me wonder just how many of the "terrorists attacks" that happen over there are real and not just being staged by soldiers.

There is really no sense in aruing this matter with you since, with your statement "Lastly, people get raped and killed in wars.", you prove that you're a pig. It is NOT ok to rape women during a war!!!!! It's NOT ok to kill children in wars!!!! It's NOT ok to kill ANY innocent people in wars!!!!! I guess we should all be a little more fearful if you decide to enlist!

First of all, I did 2 years in the United States Marine Corps and I was discharged honorably and I take huge offense to your disgusting remark regarding my enlistment.

Secondly, I did not anywhere say rape is ok. I said it happens. It has happened and will happen in every war. Should it? No, but war does things to people that are not pretty. IF the soldier raped the girl/woman should he go to jail? Absolutely. It is SAD that people die in war, but it happens.

Im just explaining the harsh realities of life so I reccomend you hold your tongue before calling me a pig or questioning my service to our country.

Third, the insurgents are not "defending their homeland". They are trying to push their radical agenda. I guess you are one of those who missed the memo that 500 chemical warheads were found and 75% were filled with sarin and mustard gas.

I guess you also ignore the fact that insurgents are killing Iraqi civilians at a rate of 50-90:1 compared to the coalition depending on the month.

What really irks me is that you say you have less sympathy for the soldiers WHO ARE YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN!!!

I am so agast by you calling our servicemen "sociopaths" that it makes me want to vomit. Who are you to call them that? I have a friend killed in Iraq by a sniper as he was giving out food to kids. These people have to deal with IEDs and people shooting from a crowd EVERY DAY, and sometimes they snap.

Further, if you want to know about your "freedom fighters" who are beheading people, I find it fair to let you know that they often like to fire from behind women and children hoping we wont shoot back. Im sure George Washington did the same.....

Oh, and as a parting gift, here is a video of your "freedom fighters" defending their homes.

(WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=terror...p;v=T1WNP-ZNgGg

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nice respectful debate eh?

Some of you people have serious anger issues, not to mention the massive illiteracy that's on display once again. Hard to take someone's opinion seriously when they apparently have a serious problem spelling anything larger than a 2 syllable word.

[Veiled Princess 1]

First of all, I did 2 years in the United States Marine Corps and I was discharged honorably and I take huge offense to your disgusting remark regarding my enlistment.

Secondly, I did not anywhere say rape is ok. I said it happens. It has happened and will happen in every war. Should it? No, but war does things to people that are not pretty. IF the soldier raped the girl/woman should he go to jail? Absolutely. It is SAD that people die in war, but it happens.

Im just explaining the harsh realities of life so I reccomend you hold your tongue before calling me a pig or questioning my service to our country.

Third, the insurgents are not "defending their homeland". They are trying to push their radical agenda. I guess you are one of those who missed the memo that 500 chemical warheads were found and 75% were filled with sarin and mustard gas.

I guess you also ignore the fact that insurgents are killing Iraqi civilians at a rate of 50-90:1 compared to the coalition depending on the month.

What really irks me is that you say you have less sympathy for the soldiers WHO ARE YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN!!!

I am so agast by you calling our servicemen "sociopaths" that it makes me want to vomit. Who are you to call them that? I have a friend killed in Iraq by a sniper as he was giving out food to kids. These people have to deal with IEDs and people shooting from a crowd EVERY DAY, and sometimes they snap.

Further, if you want to know about your "freedom fighters" who are beheading people, I find it fair to let you know that they often like to fire from behind women and children hoping we wont shoot back. Im sure George Washington did the same.....

Oh, and as a parting gift, here is a video of your "freedom fighters" defending their homes.

(WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=terror...p;v=T1WNP-ZNgGg

When you dismiss rape and killing as something that just happens in a war I will form the opinion that you're a pig because of that remark.

I stand by my statement that I have a LITTLE less sympathy for the soldiers (from either side!) than the innocent victims that are caught in the middle. Those ordinary citizens (like this girl in the story and her family) did not ask for a war... they did not sign up to be part of it... the soldiers knew the risk involved when they enlisted. Like you said... people die in war... I just don't agree that the death of innocent people should be dismissed so easily.

Furthermore, the man in question IS a sociopath!

I also said that raping women and killing children and innocent people is NOT ok... that's not only a standard I hold the American troops to but the "insurgency" as well.

I don't agree with war. It's very simple... we all have to share this Earth... just get along and mind your own business and we could all do a lot better BUT when one country takes that step to attack another country, there are certain guidelines that should be followed... If this man does not get the death penalty for what he did to that girl and her family, I will have lost all faith in the justice system of this country.

Not only this man but every man/woman involved in anything like it up until now. If we can't control the men/women we have sent over there then maybe we shouldn't be there. It's a sad day when the people who have come to "liberate" you are the very ones raping, killing and oppressing you.

Maybe, if this was an iscolated incident, it would be a little easier to dismiss but it's not. This is something that is happening way too often and it needs to end. I am not going to dismiss it as ok because he was under so much stress that he just "snaps". That's bull and you know it. If he can't handle the pressures of war then he was in the WRONG place. I know there are good men/women over there trying to help. I know there are good men/women over there who don't agree with this war and are just trying to make the best of it. It's not those that I condemn. It's the ones like this man who thinks it's ok for them to rape innocent girls and kill innocent children just because "people get raped and die in war". I feel the same way about the bombers who blow themselves up in crowded streets, injuring and killing innocent men, women and children as well. God will deal with them when they stand before Him.

Fishdude... I'm sorry I'm not an English major to make reading my posts more pleasant for you

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Moderate muslims fear terrorists as well.

Most Germans didn't like National Socialism (NAZIs) either.... look what THEIR apathy got them.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Where have I ever stated or insinuated that I "dislike Jews" ????? Provide the link, or retract.

With ease.

Link

To jog the old memory.

Well, I think it should be pointed out that in the case of the Jewish religion, it's the Holocaust that is considered "sacred," rather than its holidays or prominent figures.

It's as if one stated, "in Islam it's strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing-up a Baghdad market that's sacred, not Mecca or Allah." I wonder if a Muslim would find that offensive? I wonder if the person making the statement would be considered anti-Islamic.

Look what you posted too:

Where have I EVER made "anti-semitic" statements, OR "denied the Holocaust" (either in outright terms OR by insinuation) ?????

Deja vu all over again.

To which I reponded:

Any questioning of or attempt to do objective studies of the Holocaust is a jailable offense in most European countries. (What about that much-lauded "freedom of speech," ET ? )

I believe that had you not referred to forbidden studies on the holocaust as "objective," I would have no grounds for my accusations. However, you did.

1. Holocaust denial and other pro-nazi revisions of history are banned in many European nations.

2. You state that, "objective studies of the holocaust (are) jailable offense(s)."

Therefore, I can conclude that you believe holocaust denial or other pro-nazi revisionist views of history are objective.

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You, wife_of_mahmoud, are an anti-Semite.

Well well well if it isn't VJ's own self-styled Simon Wiesenthal wannabe, tirelessly fantasizing anti-Semites in every cappuccino machine and under every blade of grass. Guess you received your red alert on the Hilltop Youth Hotline.

You, Gerard, are a pompous, pathetic, pretensive, prevaricating pontificator.

And you're still smarting from the spanking you got on that thread, aren't you ? It's hilarious that you are the one who fled the thread (after being throroughly dusted up in your ridiculously lame attempt to accuse me of "anti-Semitism") but now you think people may have forgotten enough, or be lazy enough not to read the entire thing, to allow you the leeway to take a small part of it (not to mention out of context) to continue shrieking your baseless accusations and pointing your quavering bony finger of Doom. You read like a Zionist Jerry Falwell.

Anyone who cares to know the truth about you can read the entire thread, and get a firsthand education in the type of smear tactics commonly used to try to shout down anyone who dares disagree with or question anything the Zionist Thought Police have ordered us to believe, including anyone who tries to objectively study the Holocaust without beginning and ending with the Three Sacred Tenets.

Go ahead and play your game -- anagram/reparse/"retranslate"/take my sentences out of context, and just create new phrases that you hope could actually support your hallucinations of Nazi stormtroopers in whatever it is I really write. We could even give you extra points for the "hard" letters of "q" and "x", like in Scrabble.

Of course, according to you, ANYone who criticizes the policies of the State of Israel is an anti-Semite. Well here are some more for your "master list of enemies" :

B'Tselem http://www.btselem.org

Bat Shalom: Israeli Women For Peace http://www.batshalom.org

Gush Shalom http://www.gush-shalom.org

Jewish Alliance Against the Occupation http://www.cam.org/~rsilver/jewspeakout.htm

Jewish Peace Fellowship http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org

Jewish Voice For Peace http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

Jews Against the Occupation http://www.jatonyc.org/

Jews For a Just Peace http://www.jewsforajustpeace.com/

Jews for Justice in the Middle East http://www.cactus48.com/index.html

Jews Not Zionists http://www.jewsnotzionists.org

Neturei Karta: Jews United Against Zionism http://www.nkusa.org/

Not In My Name http://www.nimn.org

Occupied Territory http://www.occupied.org

Rabbis For Human Rights http://www.rhr.israel.net/

Search for Justice and Equality in Palestine/Israel http://www.searchforjustice.org/

Tikkun http://www.tikkun.org/

Visions for Peace with Justice in Israel/Palestine http://www.vopj.org/

Yesh Gvul: The Movement for IDF Men Refusing to Serve in the Occupied Territories http://www.yeshgvul.org/

Both my husband and I have worked with several of these groups (and others) which try to foster understanding between Israelis and Palestinians. All of them are against Israel's illegal occupation, all of them denounce Israel's policies toward the Palestinians, and all of them urge both sides to sit down together and negotiate a fair and just peace agreement that both peoples can live with.

Yes yes yes. A typical "anti-Semite."

Just ####### off.

And now, let us return the thread to its topic. (Who was it that tried to connect Israel to this discussion in the first place ? My bad -- I should have sent them packing to another thread.)

[Fuzzness 2]

War sucks and is never good. That's all I've got to say about that.

i have not seen any anti-semite comments from wife of mahmoud in this thread. I can't understand why this was even brought up here.

[Veiled Princess 1]

I agree... someone just obviously has a beef with her and/or Palestinians in general and they brought it here.

[ual777 0]

First of all, I did 2 years in the United States Marine Corps and I was discharged honorably and I take huge offense to your disgusting remark regarding my enlistment.

Secondly, I did not anywhere say rape is ok. I said it happens. It has happened and will happen in every war. Should it? No, but war does things to people that are not pretty. IF the soldier raped the girl/woman should he go to jail? Absolutely. It is SAD that people die in war, but it happens.

Im just explaining the harsh realities of life so I reccomend you hold your tongue before calling me a pig or questioning my service to our country.

Third, the insurgents are not "defending their homeland". They are trying to push their radical agenda. I guess you are one of those who missed the memo that 500 chemical warheads were found and 75% were filled with sarin and mustard gas.

I guess you also ignore the fact that insurgents are killing Iraqi civilians at a rate of 50-90:1 compared to the coalition depending on the month.

What really irks me is that you say you have less sympathy for the soldiers WHO ARE YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN!!!

I am so agast by you calling our servicemen "sociopaths" that it makes me want to vomit. Who are you to call them that? I have a friend killed in Iraq by a sniper as he was giving out food to kids. These people have to deal with IEDs and people shooting from a crowd EVERY DAY, and sometimes they snap.

Further, if you want to know about your "freedom fighters" who are beheading people, I find it fair to let you know that they often like to fire from behind women and children hoping we wont shoot back. Im sure George Washington did the same.....

Oh, and as a parting gift, here is a video of your "freedom fighters" defending their homes.

(WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=terror...p;v=T1WNP-ZNgGg

When you dismiss rape and killing as something that just happens in a war I will form the opinion that you're a pig because of that remark.

I stand by my statement that I have a LITTLE less sympathy for the soldiers (from either side!) than the innocent victims that are caught in the middle. Those ordinary citizens (like this girl in the story and her family) did not ask for a war... they did not sign up to be part of it... the soldiers knew the risk involved when they enlisted. Like you said... people die in war... I just don't agree that the death of innocent people should be dismissed so easily.

Furthermore, the man in question IS a sociopath!

I also said that raping women and killing children and innocent people is NOT ok... that's not only a standard I hold the American troops to but the "insurgency" as well.

I don't agree with war. It's very simple... we all have to share this Earth... just get along and mind your own business and we could all do a lot better BUT when one country takes that step to attack another country, there are certain guidelines that should be followed... If this man does not get the death penalty for what he did to that girl and her family, I will have lost all faith in the justice system of this country.

Not only this man but every man/woman involved in anything like it up until now. If we can't control the men/women we have sent over there then maybe we shouldn't be there. It's a sad day when the people who have come to "liberate" you are the very ones raping, killing and oppressing you.

Maybe, if this was an iscolated incident, it would be a little easier to dismiss but it's not. This is something that is happening way too often and it needs to end. I am not going to dismiss it as ok because he was under so much stress that he just "snaps". That's bull and you know it. If he can't handle the pressures of war then he was in the WRONG place. I know there are good men/women over there trying to help. I know there are good men/women over there who don't agree with this war and are just trying to make the best of it. It's not those that I condemn. It's the ones like this man who thinks it's ok for them to rape innocent girls and kill innocent children just because "people get raped and die in war". I feel the same way about the bombers who blow themselves up in crowded streets, injuring and killing innocent men, women and children as well. God will deal with them when they stand before Him.

Fishdude... I'm sorry I'm not an English major to make reading my posts more pleasant for you

Ok first, explain to me how it is happening "way too often." The war has been going on for 3 years now, and I can count the number of incidents on one hand. That is not WAY TOO OFTEN. As I said before, U.S. forces have been EXTREMELY reserved in their behavior and I applaud them.

I never said raping was ok. I said it happens, and it does. Im not a person to sit barefoot in the livingroom floor, smoking joints and listening to John Lennon songs, praying for a simplistic utopia. I am a realist.

Secondly, you fail to rebutt the point that WMDs have been found in Iraq, OR the fact that Saddam murdered thousands. The reason there was no insurgency under Saddam is because he was SO brutal, he scared even the heartless thugs who behead people.

Third, you say it is BS that the guy just 'snapped'. I have talked to many of my fellow Marines about Iraq, and in the beginning of the war, there was some heavy fighting with the Republican Guard units that was hand-to-hand with knives and entrenching tools. I know one Marine who has nightmares every night because he decapitated a Republican Guard soldier with an entrenching tool. Why did he do it? Because if he didn't, the Iraqi would have put a bayonet in his stomach. People DO snap in war. The war hero Audie Murphy slept with a gun under his pillow and suffered from a variety of severe mental illnesses after WWII. Why do you think that so many vets fall to alcoholism?

If you think it is so easy to be restrained, by all means enlist and show us how its done. As for me, I've done my time in the military.

[almaty 19]

damn... it is time for some folks here to walk away from this thread....

[almaty 19]

damn... it is time for some folks here to walk away from this thread....

[Veiled Princess 1]

Ok first, explain to me how it is happening "way too often." The war has been going on for 3 years now, and I can count the number of incidents on one hand. That is not WAY TOO OFTEN. As I said before, U.S. forces have been EXTREMELY reserved in their behavior and I applaud them.

I never said raping was ok. I said it happens, and it does. Im not a person to sit barefoot in the livingroom floor, smoking joints and listening to John Lennon songs, praying for a simplistic utopia. I am a realist.

Secondly, you fail to rebutt the point that WMDs have been found in Iraq, OR the fact that Saddam murdered thousands. The reason there was no insurgency under Saddam is because he was SO brutal, he scared even the heartless thugs who behead people.

Third, you say it is BS that the guy just 'snapped'. I have talked to many of my fellow Marines about Iraq, and in the beginning of the war, there was some heavy fighting with the Republican Guard units that was hand-to-hand with knives and entrenching tools. I know one Marine who has nightmares every night because he decapitated a Republican Guard soldier with an entrenching tool. Why did he do it? Because if he didn't, the Iraqi would have put a bayonet in his stomach. People DO snap in war. The war hero Audie Murphy slept with a gun under his pillow and suffered from a variety of severe mental illnesses after WWII. Why do you think that so many vets fall to alcoholism?

If you think it is so easy to be restrained, by all means enlist and show us how its done. As for me, I've done my time in the military.

I don't need to enlist to show you how it's done... if you don't know then don't enlist yourself.

Just because you don't hear about something on FOX or CNN doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I have no love for Saddam so I'll not comment about him at all but it is sad that the Iraqi people actually preferred him over us.

I'm done with this discussion brother Dean if that comment was meant for me

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Fishdude... I'm sorry I'm not an English major to make reading my posts more pleasant for you

Curiously enough I wasn't referring to the non-native english speakers

Secondly, you fail to rebutt the point that WMDs have been found in Iraq

Perhaps you want to post a link to this - as it seems to have missed every major news channel. Not disputing it - just saying its news to me...

I never said raping was ok. I said it happens, and it does. Im not a person to sit barefoot in the livingroom floor, smoking joints and listening to John Lennon songs, praying for a simplistic utopia. I am a realist.

As a realist - why do you think we went to war with Iraq? What was the primary reason?