Victim Allegedly Raped By U.S. Soldiers was Only 15

[Ban Hammer 13,338]

Although Wife of Mahmoud certianly is a bit combative for no reason,

I wouldn't say she's combative at all... defensive perhaps but certainly she has a reason and a right to defend herself when she's attacked here

um, when she's posting one sided stories what should she expect?

how come her stories are one of two types? anti-american or anti-israeli?

why no stories like these?

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perhaps because those dont' portray israel or the usa as being evil

[Chuckles 0]

The whole situation is such a travesty, and I am embarassed by the way my government has handled everything through the years. Instead of humanitarian interests, we always seem to focus on the political interests. The whole situation is politics showing their worst face, with Palastine taking the brunt of the 'shaft' so to speak.

There always seems to be progress and hope, then BAM, one side or the other does something stupid (lets face it, they both have some guilt) and back to the tug-o-war we go.

But really, this is off the original topic now, isn't it?

[Veiled Princess 1]

Would these soldiers also have raped and murdered here at home if they thought they could get away with it? Or is the environment (psychological) such that they lose any sense of right and wrong (following orders becomes the only morality)? I'm sure nobody above them directly gave them orders to do such an atrocious thing, but do you suppose these soldiers believed psychologically that what they did would not be considered reprehensible by their superiors?

Probably yes. According to what I've read, this man was already discharged from the military before this trial began for something unrelated... he was determined unstable. Do they not do checks on these people before they set them loose on innocent people in illegally occupied countries?

He also STALKED her and she reported that she was afraid of him and the other soldiers who helped him, prior to the attack because they were terrorizing her, to the authorities. I guess it's pretty safe to assume she wasn't taken seriously then.

It also should be noted that this is NOT the first Iraqi woman to be raped by American soldiers and probably won't be the last.

American women are raped here daily so it's really not surprising that these men go and do the same thing to women in other countries where it's much easier to get away with it.

As far as justice in the USA... that is pretty much non existant since the criminals here have more rights than the victims in many cases. This man should be castrated if not killed plain and simple. If he had raped the girl and left her alive he should be castrated... since he decided to kill her and her entire family, including a 5 or 7 year old child, after the rape he should get the death penaly. The soldiers who stood watch over the incident should be strapped into the chair right beside him. I bet if we were tougher on this and other crimes here they wouldn't happen nearly as often.

It's really no wonder other countries view the US as being filled with nothing but evil. It's bad enough that they can see on our news EVERY night, the countless acts of violence and evil that goes on either un or under punished here BUT now we are bringing that to them in THEIR countries.

um, when she's posting one sided stories what should she expect?

how come her stories are one of two types? anti-american or anti-israeli?

perhaps because those dont' portray israel or the usa as being evil

First of all, this story has nothing to do with Israel or any jews so I don't get where you see this story as anti-israeli...

As far as what happened to this girl and her family, this was a great evil!

She didn't say the US IS evil but I can certainly see WHY other countries view us that way with things like this going on.

I, for one, commend her for posting these stories that might open the eyes of fellow Americans about what's going on in other parts of the world concerning us and not just sticking her head in the sand like so many others.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

1st I blame Bush, then I blame Israel.

[Ban Hammer 13,338]

LONDON - Britain cannot defeat terrorism unless moderate Muslims do more to confront militancy in their own communities, Prime Minister Tony Blair said Tuesday.

Blair said the vast majority of Muslims abhorred terrorism and wanted to defeat it, but said they had to do more to counter what he described as the extremists' misplaced anger and grievances.

Moderates, he said, must "stand up against the ideas of these people, not just their methods."

"If you want to defeat this extremism, you've got to defeat its ideas and you've got to defeat in part a completely false sense of grievance against the West," said Blair, testifying before a House of Commons committee. "The government has its role to play in this, but honestly, the government itself is not going to defeat this."

Shortly after the July 7, 2005, attacks on London, Blair pledged that officials would work with Britain's 1.5 million Muslims to fight the militant ideologies that are seducing a minority of young people like the four who carried out the attacks.

Nearly a year later, he said the efforts needed to be intensified.

"The roots of this extremism lie in attitudes and ideas as much as organization, and I don't think there is an answer to this terrorism that is simply about police work or security," he said.

A series of police missteps have fueled resentment among many Muslims in recent months, making many feel that they have been unfairly targeted.

On June 2, more than 200 police raided an east London home where they believed a chemical bomb was being manufactured and shot a suspect in the shoulder. He and his brother were arrested but later released without being charged.

Blair said police were right to raid the home based on the intelligence they had. But he said police must do more to reach out to Muslims.

Mohammed Shafiq of the Ramadhan Foundation, an Islamic youth group engaged in fighting drug problems in northwest England, was highly critical of Blair's comments, saying he had failed to speak to vast sections of the Muslim community.

"He's made no effort to engage with people outside his usual comfort zone of Labour Party members and the usual suspects from national organizations," he said. "It makes us believe the government is not serious about engaging with communities on the ground, where terrorism can be fought and eradicated."

Blair also defended his government's efforts to win assurances from nations with poor human rights records that they will not mistreat terrorism suspects and extremist preachers deported by Britain. Britain has been working for months to secure deportation agreements with several Middle Eastern and North African countries to return such suspects to their homelands.

He said Britain should not send suspects to any country where it knows they will be tortured, but does not have to ensure absolutely that they will not be mistreated.

"The idea that if I can't prove absolutely that they are going to come to no harm, I have to keep them here — why?" he said, adding that terror suspects have themselves taken a risk by breaking the rules of British society.

story link

[iceyspots 0]

Although Wife of Mahmoud certianly is a bit combative for no reason,

I wouldn't say she's combative at all... defensive perhaps but certainly she has a reason and a right to defend herself when she's attacked here

um, when she's posting one sided stories what should she expect?

how come her stories are one of two types? anti-american or anti-israeli?

why no stories like these?

story 1story 2story 3story 4story 5

perhaps because those dont' portray israel or the usa as being evil

Showing the other side of the story only makes it balanced... There is a huge slant on the other side.

LONDON - Britain cannot defeat terrorism unless moderate Muslims do more to confront militancy in their own communities, Prime Minister Tony Blair said Tuesday.

Blair said the vast majority of Muslims abhorred terrorism and wanted to defeat it, but said they had to do more to counter what he described as the extremists' misplaced anger and grievances.

Moderates, he said, must "stand up against the ideas of these people, not just their methods."

"If you want to defeat this extremism, you've got to defeat its ideas and you've got to defeat in part a completely false sense of grievance against the West," said Blair, testifying before a House of Commons committee. "The government has its role to play in this, but honestly, the government itself is not going to defeat this."

Shortly after the July 7, 2005, attacks on London, Blair pledged that officials would work with Britain's 1.5 million Muslims to fight the militant ideologies that are seducing a minority of young people like the four who carried out the attacks.

Nearly a year later, he said the efforts needed to be intensified.

"The roots of this extremism lie in attitudes and ideas as much as organization, and I don't think there is an answer to this terrorism that is simply about police work or security," he said.

A series of police missteps have fueled resentment among many Muslims in recent months, making many feel that they have been unfairly targeted.

On June 2, more than 200 police raided an east London home where they believed a chemical bomb was being manufactured and shot a suspect in the shoulder. He and his brother were arrested but later released without being charged.

Blair said police were right to raid the home based on the intelligence they had. But he said police must do more to reach out to Muslims.

Mohammed Shafiq of the Ramadhan Foundation, an Islamic youth group engaged in fighting drug problems in northwest England, was highly critical of Blair's comments, saying he had failed to speak to vast sections of the Muslim community.

"He's made no effort to engage with people outside his usual comfort zone of Labour Party members and the usual suspects from national organizations," he said. "It makes us believe the government is not serious about engaging with communities on the ground, where terrorism can be fought and eradicated."

Blair also defended his government's efforts to win assurances from nations with poor human rights records that they will not mistreat terrorism suspects and extremist preachers deported by Britain. Britain has been working for months to secure deportation agreements with several Middle Eastern and North African countries to return such suspects to their homelands.

He said Britain should not send suspects to any country where it knows they will be tortured, but does not have to ensure absolutely that they will not be mistreated.

"The idea that if I can't prove absolutely that they are going to come to no harm, I have to keep them here — why?" he said, adding that terror suspects have themselves taken a risk by breaking the rules of British society.

story link

Moderate muslims fear terrorists as well.

[almaty 19]

Although Wife of Mahmoud certianly is a bit combative for no reason,

I wouldn't say she's combative at all... defensive perhaps but certainly she has a reason and a right to defend herself when she's attacked here

um, when she's posting one sided stories what should she expect?

how come her stories are one of two types? anti-american or anti-israeli?

why no stories like these?

story 1story 2story 3story 4story 5

perhaps because those dont' portray israel or the usa as being evil

Showing the other side of the story only makes it balanced... There is a huge slant on the other side.

LONDON - Britain cannot defeat terrorism unless moderate Muslims do more to confront militancy in their own communities, Prime Minister Tony Blair said Tuesday.

Blair said the vast majority of Muslims abhorred terrorism and wanted to defeat it, but said they had to do more to counter what he described as the extremists' misplaced anger and grievances.

Moderates, he said, must "stand up against the ideas of these people, not just their methods."

"If you want to defeat this extremism, you've got to defeat its ideas and you've got to defeat in part a completely false sense of grievance against the West," said Blair, testifying before a House of Commons committee. "The government has its role to play in this, but honestly, the government itself is not going to defeat this."

Shortly after the July 7, 2005, attacks on London, Blair pledged that officials would work with Britain's 1.5 million Muslims to fight the militant ideologies that are seducing a minority of young people like the four who carried out the attacks.

Nearly a year later, he said the efforts needed to be intensified.

"The roots of this extremism lie in attitudes and ideas as much as organization, and I don't think there is an answer to this terrorism that is simply about police work or security," he said.

A series of police missteps have fueled resentment among many Muslims in recent months, making many feel that they have been unfairly targeted.

On June 2, more than 200 police raided an east London home where they believed a chemical bomb was being manufactured and shot a suspect in the shoulder. He and his brother were arrested but later released without being charged.

Blair said police were right to raid the home based on the intelligence they had. But he said police must do more to reach out to Muslims.

Mohammed Shafiq of the Ramadhan Foundation, an Islamic youth group engaged in fighting drug problems in northwest England, was highly critical of Blair's comments, saying he had failed to speak to vast sections of the Muslim community.

"He's made no effort to engage with people outside his usual comfort zone of Labour Party members and the usual suspects from national organizations," he said. "It makes us believe the government is not serious about engaging with communities on the ground, where terrorism can be fought and eradicated."

Blair also defended his government's efforts to win assurances from nations with poor human rights records that they will not mistreat terrorism suspects and extremist preachers deported by Britain. Britain has been working for months to secure deportation agreements with several Middle Eastern and North African countries to return such suspects to their homelands.

He said Britain should not send suspects to any country where it knows they will be tortured, but does not have to ensure absolutely that they will not be mistreated.

"The idea that if I can't prove absolutely that they are going to come to no harm, I have to keep them here — why?" he said, adding that terror suspects have themselves taken a risk by breaking the rules of British society.

story link

Moderate muslims fear terrorists as well.

correct sister icey...all decent people fear terrorism..no matter what religion you are from//i noticed allot of iraqi muslim getting killed by terrorist too

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Back in the day there was an Islamic group that was very popular in Algerian politics. They were highly supported by the people.... until Algeria went secular and democratic.. this group did not like that.. their support from the general public started to lessen, so they decided to take over Algeria in a coup d'etat..

first they started killing high profile politicians..

then they started killing military..

then they started killing cops...

then they stopped caring and started killing civilians, women and children included.

Each time that the military killed or bombed terrorists, they hit back ten-fold. obviously wasn't the best way to deal with them.

So as time went on, the Algerian military went to all the homes in Algeria and gave everybody weapons to defend themselves.. Even some scrupulous weekend warriors hunted terrorists in their spare time..

With the will of the people, the numbers of terrorists were lowered significantly.. they were weakend enough to the point where they had no power anymore.. so..

President of Algeria .. Mr. Boutflika.. tells the terrorists, they have a period of 3 months.. they must come out from wherever they are.. give up their weapons, register their name on a list of terrorists.. and as long as they divulge information about others, they will be pardonned for their crimes, because everything was so disorganized and random, crime everywhere, they wouldnt have enough courts and judges to bring everyone to justice... they probably didn't even remember who they killed. The Algerian government and military used the snitches to locate and collect information on all the other terrorists.

(this is about year 2001)

So anyways, the vast vast majority of terrorists came down and raised the white flag.. gave up...

There were about 800 who did not come down..

Now we are 2006 and another agreement has expired.. the hard headded terrorists who decided not to show themselves are being bombed in the mountains as we speak.. Algerian military is doing air strikes...tonight.. great way to put on a 4th of July show.. haha..

so Boutflika is pretty much putting the icing on the cake.. killing off the stobborn ones.. and this is why the U.S. constantly comes to Algeria (and subsequently has good relations with the U.S.).. is so they can get tips and tricks on counter terrorism..

correct sister icey...all decent people fear terrorism..no matter what religion you are from//i noticed allot of iraqi muslim getting killed by terrorist too

Yup... mainly quarrels between Sunni and Shi'a... and let's not forget how the poor Kurds in the north were treated... I dont think anyone in that region can get along...

Edited July 4, 2006 by iceyspots

[almaty 19]

Back in the day there was an Islamic group that was very popular in Algerian politics. They were highly supported by the people.... until Algeria went secular and democratic.. this group did not like that.. their support from the general public started to lessen, so they decided to take over Algeria in a coup d'etat..

first they started killing high profile politicians..

then they started killing military..

then they started killing cops...

then they stopped caring and started killing civilians, women and children included.

Each time that the military killed or bombed terrorists, they hit back ten-fold. obviously wasn't the best way to deal with them.

So as time went on, the Algerian military went to all the homes in Algeria and gave everybody weapons to defend themselves.. Even some scrupulous weekend warriors hunted terrorists in their spare time..

With the will of the people, the numbers of terrorists were lowered significantly.. they were weakend enough to the point where they had no power anymore.. so..

President of Algeria .. Mr. Boutflika.. tells the terrorists, they have a period of 3 months.. they must come out from wherever they are.. give up their weapons, register their name on a list of terrorists.. and as long as they divulge information about others, they will be pardonned for their crimes, because everything was so disorganized and random, crime everywhere, they wouldnt have enough courts and juges to bring everyone to justice... they probably didn't even remember who they killed. The Algerian government and military used the snitches to locate and collect information on all the other terrorists.

(this is about year 2001)

So anyways, the vast vast majority of terrorists came down and raised the white flag.. gave up...

There were about 800 who did not come down..

Now we are 2006 and another agreement has expired.. the hard headded terrorists who decided not to show themselves are being bombed in the mountains as we speak.. Algerian military is doing air strikes...tonight.. great way to put on a 4th of July show.. haha..

so Boutflika is pretty much putting the icing on the cake.. killing off the stobborn ones.. and this is why the U.S. constantly comes to Algeria (and subsequently has good relations with the U.S.).. is so they can get tips and tricks on counter terrorism..

correct sister icey...all decent people fear terrorism..no matter what religion you are from//i noticed allot of iraqi muslim getting killed by terrorist too

Yup... mainly quarrels between Sunni and Shi'a... and let's not forget how the poor Kurds in the north were treated... I dont think anyone in that region can get along...

i agree sister icey..the shias,,sunnis and kurds..have a long history of problems

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it's strange how it pans out though.. although In Iraq the religion is wrapped up into politics and that's where the problems emerge..

A muslim is a muslim to me, shi'a or sunni, and certain sufis..

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it's strange how it pans out though.. although In Iraq the religion is wrapped up into politics and that's where the problems emerge..

A muslim is a muslim to me, shi'a or sunni, and certain sufis..

same here sister..but sadly throughout history the sunnis..sharias and other factions have had a differnece and this has let to violence...

[iceyspots 0]

killing another person is forbidden in islam.. but I guess some people think they are above God

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Where have I ever stated or insinuated that I "dislike Jews" ????? Provide the link, or retract.

With ease.

Link

To jog the old memory.

Well, I think it should be pointed out that in the case of the Jewish religion, it's the Holocaust that is considered "sacred," rather than its holidays or prominent figures.

It's as if one stated, "in Islam it's strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing-up a Baghdad market that's sacred, not Mecca or Allah." I wonder if a Muslim would find that offensive? I wonder if the person making the statement would be considered anti-Islamic.

Look what you posted too:

Where have I EVER made "anti-semitic" statements, OR "denied the Holocaust" (either in outright terms OR by insinuation) ?????

Deja vu all over again.

To which I reponded:

Any questioning of or attempt to do objective studies of the Holocaust is a jailable offense in most European countries. (What about that much-lauded "freedom of speech," ET ? )

I believe that had you not referred to forbidden studies on the holocaust as "objective," I would have no grounds for my accusations. However, you did.

1. Holocaust denial and other pro-nazi revisions of history are banned in many European nations.

2. You state that, "objective studies of the holocaust (are) jailable offense(s)."

Therefore, I can conclude that you believe holocaust denial or other pro-nazi revisionist views of history are objective.

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You, wife_of_mahmoud, are an anti-Semite.

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Who really cares? Israel was formed 60 YEARS AGO! They gave back the west bank and other settled parts, and the Palestinians need to stop bitching about it. They will never, ever, EVER win, even with outside help.

Israel has beaten the hell out of every hostile Islamic neighbor that has gone to war with it, and it always will.

Further this is England's fault, because they are the ones that are primarily responsible for the formation of Israel. Ditto with Iraq.

Back to the discussion at hand, someone made the extremely ignorant comment of psychos in the military. You can't screen everyone, and combat will do things to you that you will carry for the rest of your life. If you have ever seen an old Vietnam vet start sweating and shaking when he sees or hears a helicopter, you know what I am talking about.

Lastly, people get raped and killed in wars. However, the US military has been extremely reserved in their treatment of the Iraqi people, especially when you consider the type of war that they are fighting.

Further, did anyone see the recent report of WMDs that were found in Iraq? Yes, thats right 500 chemical warheads with sarin and mustard gas. Looks like Bush was right.

[ual777 0]

Who really cares? Israel was formed 60 YEARS AGO! They gave back the west bank and other settled parts, and the Palestinians need to stop bitching about it. They will never, ever, EVER win, even with outside help.

Israel has beaten the hell out of every hostile Islamic neighbor that has gone to war with it, and it always will.

Further this is England's fault, because they are the ones that are primarily responsible for the formation of Israel. Ditto with Iraq.

Back to the discussion at hand, someone made the extremely ignorant comment of psychos in the military. You can't screen everyone, and combat will do things to you that you will carry for the rest of your life. If you have ever seen an old Vietnam vet start sweating and shaking when he sees or hears a helicopter, you know what I am talking about.

Lastly, people get raped and killed in wars. However, the US military has been extremely reserved in their treatment of the Iraqi people, especially when you consider the type of war that they are fighting.

Further, did anyone see the recent report of WMDs that were found in Iraq? Yes, thats right 500 chemical warheads with sarin and mustard gas. Looks like Bush was right.

Oh and Layla, the enemy is the insurgency. I don't see anyone here crying and condemning when our two soldiers had to be identified WITH DNA EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO MUTILATED!

In my opinion its time to sand to glass the Anbar province to send a message.

Edited July 5, 2006 by ual777