10 "undocumented" immigrants killed in suv rollover

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If Obama and his administration would secure the border this tragic event would not have happened.

And by that logic, if Bush and his administration had of secured the border, the event would not have happened either.

Grasping for straws here. REALLY!

Far from grasping straws. Yes if Bush would have secured the border most likely would not have happened.

My main point from the start has been about the blaming. No personal responsibility was ever mentioned. this is my biggest beef. The article actually blamed to many people and no seat belts as the cause. Ridiculous!!

Probably because its a no brainer. That's still not the same as trying to justify the deaths on the basis of the illegal status of the victims. That should also be a no-brainer.

PeePee

I disagree, If they were not illegal they would not have been engaging in the activity there were involved with.

Did you read what I wrote? That response is completely irrelevant to what I said. But never mind.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So whenever someone is involved in an accident, you want the journal to report it like this:

"An Air France plane was lost in flight from Brazil to France today. Those on board had a choice of which airline to choose to fly with, they chose to fly with Air France. As a result of this choice, they died in an accident when the Air France Jet crashed"

?

Odder and odder...

You forgot:

"Initial reports suggest that the passengers were not wearing seat belts at the time of the crash, and that their tray tables were not in an upright position. The flight was also fully booked and there were a number of people on board who weighed in excess of 300 lbs".

[Ladylethal 12]

Yep, and they deserve to die 'cus they ate cheeseburgers all their lives before boarding the plane.

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

Yep, and they deserve to die 'cus they ate cheeseburgers all their lives before boarding the plane.

About time you seen the light

Edited June 8, 2009 by cyclops10

[*Robert* 2]

Yep, and they deserve to die 'cus they ate cheeseburgers all their lives before boarding the plane.

About time you seen the light

And it's about time you go back under the rock from whence you came. You're logic is flawed, as are you. You have been weighed and measured, and found severley wanting.

[Ladylethal 12]

Yep, and they deserve to die 'cus they ate cheeseburgers all their lives before boarding the plane.

About time you seen the light

About time your learn the concept of sarcasm.

[Minya's wife 24]

Yep, and they deserve to die 'cus they ate cheeseburgers all their lives before boarding the plane.

About time you seen the light

About time your learn the concept of sarcasm.

[nowhereman 1]

The comments in this thread are dumber than usual (and that is saying a lot).

[alienlovechild 75]

The identity of the driver, passengers and the vehicle's owner are being withheld pending their identification and notification of relatives. Many victims did not have ID, Craig said.

Investigators have not identified the driver, but if he survives, Craig said he would likely be charged.

Anyone but the driver got the lion's share of responsibility for this carnage judging by the posts. Typically, the driver is responsible for the vehicle and everyone it in unless another vehicle was fault.

Edited June 8, 2009 by alienlovechild

[justashooter 430]

So whenever someone is involved in an accident, you want the journal to report it like this:

"An Air France plane was lost in flight from Brazil to France today. Those on board had a choice of which airline to choose to fly with, they chose to fly with Air France. As a result of this choice, they died in an accident when the Air France Jet crashed"

?

Odder and odder...

your analysis fails to allow for vectors in calculation of probability.

the air france flight had no known vectors.

the truck load of central americans had significant and measureable vectors.

[Brad and Vika 129]

So whenever someone is involved in an accident, you want the journal to report it like this:

"An Air France plane was lost in flight from Brazil to France today. Those on board had a choice of which airline to choose to fly with, they chose to fly with Air France. As a result of this choice, they died in an accident when the Air France Jet crashed"

?

Odder and odder...

your analysis fails to allow for vectors in calculation of probability.

the air france flight had no known vectors.

the truck load of central americans had significant and measureable vectors.

And what were they, pray tell? And why would you want to... Oh never mind.

[Peikko 1,575]

The identity of the driver, passengers and the vehicle's owner are being withheld pending their identification and notification of relatives. Many victims did not have ID, Craig said.

Investigators have not identified the driver, but if he survives, Craig said he would likely be charged.

Anyone but the driver got the lion's share of responsibility for this carnage judging by the posts. Typically, the driver is responsible for the vehicle and everyone it in unless another vehicle was fault.

So wrong. Either the poster does not attempt to assign blame in any direction OR the poster assigns the blame to the fact that these undocumented immigrants are themselves to blame BECAUSE the accident happened after they illegally entered the USA.

Nice try though.

[Peikko 1,575]

So whenever someone is involved in an accident, you want the journal to report it like this:

"An Air France plane was lost in flight from Brazil to France today. Those on board had a choice of which airline to choose to fly with, they chose to fly with Air France. As a result of this choice, they died in an accident when the Air France Jet crashed"

?

Odder and odder...

your analysis fails to allow for vectors in calculation of probability.

the air france flight had no known vectors.

the truck load of central americans had significant and measureable vectors.

What analysis? I attempted to inject personal responsibility into journalism as requested by whateverhisname is. Your transparent attempt to distract with the use of 'vectors' is doomed to failure. Never mind, it's always fun watching your cogs turning.

[alienlovechild 75]

The identity of the driver, passengers and the vehicle's owner are being withheld pending their identification and notification of relatives. Many victims did not have ID, Craig said.

Investigators have not identified the driver, but if he survives, Craig said he would likely be charged.

Anyone but the driver got the lion's share of responsibility for this carnage judging by the posts. Typically, the driver is responsible for the vehicle and everyone it in unless another vehicle was fault.

So wrong. Either the poster does not attempt to assign blame in any direction OR the poster assigns the blame to the fact that these undocumented immigrants are themselves to blame BECAUSE the accident happened after they illegally entered the USA.

Nice try though.

What? ANYONE BUT. . . means anyone but the driver. I'm making a simple point that almost no one blamed the driver on a long thread.

If you'd like to changing the law to holding someone else criminally liable or liable in civil court else let us know.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

The identity of the driver, passengers and the vehicle's owner are being withheld pending their identification and notification of relatives. Many victims did not have ID, Craig said.

Investigators have not identified the driver, but if he survives, Craig said he would likely be charged.

Anyone but the driver got the lion's share of responsibility for this carnage judging by the posts. Typically, the driver is responsible for the vehicle and everyone it in unless another vehicle was fault.

So wrong. Either the poster does not attempt to assign blame in any direction OR the poster assigns the blame to the fact that these undocumented immigrants are themselves to blame BECAUSE the accident happened after they illegally entered the USA.

Nice try though.

What? ANYONE BUT. . . means anyone but the driver. I'm making a simple point that almost no one blamed the driver on a long thread.

If you'd like to changing the law to holding someone else criminally liable or liable in civil court else let us know.

And the driver was probably a US citizen making some extra cash smuggling aliens.

If Obama and his administration would secure the border this tragic event would not have happened.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

How did your buddy W do on border security?

What in the world is wrong with some of you people?! 10 HUMAN BEINGS lost their lives in an attempt to escape desperate circumstances to help their families survive, all due to the fact that they were randomly born into a life less fortunate than we were. How some of you have the gall to joke and blame them for their own misfortune is beyond me. They took their lives into their own hands and they knew that was the price they would have to pay to help their families survive so they would not have to go picking through someone else's garbage. There are grieving families who are receiving this news, and there are fellow countrymen on VJ who are hurting. Please take a moment to consider their feelings before you post.

If there are any more comments like this, the thread will be shut down and suspensions are likely.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Why not close the duplicate accounts?