Obama's Cairo speech

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

There's a fundamental flaw in your reasoning... you seem to assume that to be a muslim means you are probably a terrorist, which is exactly the stereotyping that Obama was talking about.

Where did you dream that one up because it's nowhere in my post, nowhereman? - how appropriate and fundamentally wrong. I was in Malaysia and Indonesia and met Muslims in the U.S. for years. I didn't stereotype jack as nearly as you stereotyped me without reading what I wrote. Get beyond tropes.

I spent a year in Iraq working directly with muslims & I can tell you from first hand experience most are decent people. Sure they are different & I didn't agree with certain aspects of their culture, but I didn't assume they were terrorists (even though in all likelihood some that I came into contact with were).

Never said Muslims or Iraqis were mostly terrorists.

Who said this?

There was nothing stopping the majority of peace loving moderate Muslims but choose not to do so until they get sick of the violence like the Iraqis did.

Oh yeah, that was me on this thread.

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Obama said it was part of his responsibilities as president "to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

He can't speak louder than the actions of Muslims themselves.

- Case in point: You are lumping all muslims into one category.

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he explained his plan to withdraw American combat troops next year and his reversal of Bush-era policies in the pursuit of terrorists that have enraged Muslims the world over.

What reversal? The surge enabled conditions for a drawdown long before Obama took office.

- The surge isn't the real issue; the real issue is whether or not there was actionable intelligence (not trumped up intel) to invade Iraq in the first place. Moreover the surge wasn't Bush's idea at all... I'm pretty sure it was Powell & Shinseki (back in 2003) who had this idea & the Bush cronies ostracized them.

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Obama said flatly that he has banned torture and will close the detested Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba next year.

Ho hum. Wonder if the Arabs will close all their resort-like prisons or stop widespread human rights abuses before, during and after Gitmo.

- A mute point... we need to hold ourselves to a higher moral standard (e.g. Geneva convention). Just because our enemies violate human rights doesn't give us the green light to do the same.

I got a fvckin ####### for sale! YOU BUYIN?

[nowhereman 1]

Tamara - I respect you for your views. Obviously we are on different sides of the debate here, which is fine. I really admire your forthrightness and plainspoken approach, while being at the same time graceful and respectful towards others. For some reason, many of the discussions I get into on VJ with people on the conservative side of the spectrum are not so mature. I look forward to continuing the discussion with you. However, its' 10:30pm, I just got home from work, haven't had dinner, and don't have the mind for serious discussion now. So if you'll excuse me, I think I'll play with Marc for a bit ...

Tammy, dont try to covince him! he just wants a free ride. He's a fat lil dough boy that wants to live off other ppl's money!

hey roqquuueeeeiiieee baaaabbbeeeiiii

let's dance sugarplum fairy

Oh did I say fairy???

Yeah, I did !!! FAIRY!

Your weekness is overwhelming! It SHOWS!

No problem, Im a 27yr old young woman who is on the conservative side and has my own views of the world and openly shares my opinions. I do try to be respectful whether I agree or disagree (something I learned in the home from mom) -mostly bcz i got a backslap from doing otherwise I am passionate about what I believe. Anyone that knows me, knows I would sit even at the table of someone I disagree with or even an enemy. I have family/friends that are muslim, christian, jewish and atheist, democrat, republican... its about respect whether you agree with them or not.

Your views are your own & you can agree or disagree with Obama until you turn blue in the face, but if you misunderstand the message (in this case Obama's speech) then it needs to be highlighted. Nowhere in his speech was he condoning the actions of terrorists or muslim extremists.

[scandal 951]

Oh my! Those training wheels are quite rusty. Your palms are soft and your words speak of, a day when your life DEPENDS on another. Live your LIFE! not of mine! But of your OWN!

Hey rogueie baby, I'm just lovvving your soft palms and gentle touches. and we've finally hit our diaper fetish in its stride.... how did u know that seeing u, having u, undressing u in your DEPENDS is just what i'm cravin' tonight! Get on down on your knees diaper-honey and give daddy what he wants! Oh yeah!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

hey roqquuueeeeiiieee baaaabbbeeeiiii

let's dance sugarplum fairy

Oh did I say fairy???

Yeah, I did !!! FAIRY!

I told you it was fun!! You're hooked.

Spooky, you're a very bad influence

No problem, Im a 27yr old young woman who is on the conservative side and has my own views of the world and openly shares my opinions. I do try to be respectful whether I agree or disagree (something I learned in the home from mom) -mostly bcz i got a backslap from doing otherwise I am passionate about what I believe. Anyone that knows me, knows I would sit even at the table of someone I disagree with or even an enemy. I have family/friends that are muslim, christian, jewish and atheist, democrat, republican... its about respect whether you agree with them or not.

Very cool. I am Jewish with a Buddhist fiancee, and with friends that are of all shapes & sizes. Um, excuse me... pressing matters await....

Scandal, you really need to practice up. I will give you some slack for now, to save you the embarssment. Keep it up babe! Maybe I will let you touch my feet some day.

Spook the boy is a noob!

:devil: :devil: Yeeeeesssssssss SCANDAL in the house . And a n00000bbbbb he be , oh boy!

I take pride in my n00bnezzz it's what keeps me sharp and on my toes.

You don't have the luxury of being a n00b. You just wish you could be a n00b. You're just an old fart pissing in the wind trying to remember your glory days. Um, scratch that. You never had no glory, boy!

You can fill in for Steven since he's not around tonight.

[nowhereman 1]

There's a fundamental flaw in your reasoning... you seem to assume that to be a muslim means you are probably a terrorist, which is exactly the stereotyping that Obama was talking about.

Where did you dream that one up because it's nowhere in my post, nowhereman? - how appropriate and fundamentally wrong. I was in Malaysia and Indonesia and met Muslims in the U.S. for years. I didn't stereotype jack as nearly as you stereotyped me without reading what I wrote. Get beyond tropes.

I spent a year in Iraq working directly with muslims & I can tell you from first hand experience most are decent people. Sure they are different & I didn't agree with certain aspects of their culture, but I didn't assume they were terrorists (even though in all likelihood some that I came into contact with were).

Never said Muslims or Iraqis were mostly terrorists.

Who said this?

There was nothing stopping the majority of peace loving moderate Muslims but choose not to do so until they get sick of the violence like the Iraqis did.

Oh yeah, that was me on this thread.

QUOTE

Obama said it was part of his responsibilities as president "to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

He can't speak louder than the actions of Muslims themselves.

- Case in point: You are lumping all muslims into one category.

QUOTE

he explained his plan to withdraw American combat troops next year and his reversal of Bush-era policies in the pursuit of terrorists that have enraged Muslims the world over.

What reversal? The surge enabled conditions for a drawdown long before Obama took office.

- The surge isn't the real issue; the real issue is whether or not there was actionable intelligence (not trumped up intel) to invade Iraq in the first place. Moreover the surge wasn't Bush's idea at all... I'm pretty sure it was Powell & Shinseki (back in 2003) who had this idea & the Bush cronies ostracized them.

QUOTE

Obama said flatly that he has banned torture and will close the detested Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba next year.

Ho hum. Wonder if the Arabs will close all their resort-like prisons or stop widespread human rights abuses before, during and after Gitmo.

- A mute point... we need to hold ourselves to a higher moral standard (e.g. Geneva convention). Just because our enemies violate human rights doesn't give us the green light to do the same.

I got a fvckin ####### for sale! YOU BUYIN?

Rogue when your IQ hits double digits I will have a meaningful debate with you... until then sign off, unplug your computer & take your meds.

[scandal 951]

You can fill in for Steven since he's not around tonight.

Well I'm trying.... I feel a little like Conan trying to fill those big shoes of Jay's, and not quite up to the task

[spookyturtle 9,466]

There's a fundamental flaw in your reasoning... you seem to assume that to be a muslim means you are probably a terrorist, which is exactly the stereotyping that Obama was talking about.

Where did you dream that one up because it's nowhere in my post, nowhereman? - how appropriate and fundamentally wrong. I was in Malaysia and Indonesia and met Muslims in the U.S. for years. I didn't stereotype jack as nearly as you stereotyped me without reading what I wrote. Get beyond tropes.

I spent a year in Iraq working directly with muslims & I can tell you from first hand experience most are decent people. Sure they are different & I didn't agree with certain aspects of their culture, but I didn't assume they were terrorists (even though in all likelihood some that I came into contact with were).

Never said Muslims or Iraqis were mostly terrorists.

Who said this?

There was nothing stopping the majority of peace loving moderate Muslims but choose not to do so until they get sick of the violence like the Iraqis did.

Oh yeah, that was me on this thread.

QUOTE

Obama said it was part of his responsibilities as president "to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

He can't speak louder than the actions of Muslims themselves.

- Case in point: You are lumping all muslims into one category.

QUOTE

he explained his plan to withdraw American combat troops next year and his reversal of Bush-era policies in the pursuit of terrorists that have enraged Muslims the world over.

What reversal? The surge enabled conditions for a drawdown long before Obama took office.

- The surge isn't the real issue; the real issue is whether or not there was actionable intelligence (not trumped up intel) to invade Iraq in the first place. Moreover the surge wasn't Bush's idea at all... I'm pretty sure it was Powell & Shinseki (back in 2003) who had this idea & the Bush cronies ostracized them.

QUOTE

Obama said flatly that he has banned torture and will close the detested Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba next year.

Ho hum. Wonder if the Arabs will close all their resort-like prisons or stop widespread human rights abuses before, during and after Gitmo.

- A mute point... we need to hold ourselves to a higher moral standard (e.g. Geneva convention). Just because our enemies violate human rights doesn't give us the green light to do the same.

I got a fvckin ####### for sale! YOU BUYIN?

Rogue when your IQ hits double digits I will have a meaningful debate with you... until then sign off, unplug your computer & take your meds.

Ouch.

[scandal 951]

Rogue when your IQ hits double digits I will have a meaningful debate with you... until then sign off, unplug your computer & take your meds.

nowhereman, your valiant efforts are appreciated, but I think that when it gets to that point int the evening when marc has hijacked a thread, best to just flow with it. Spooky is right, it is kinda fun. Try it!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You can fill in for Steven since he's not around tonight.

Well I'm trying.... I feel a little like Conan trying to fill those big shoes of Jay's, and not quite up to the task

Practice makes perfect, Now go have a cafffeeee lahtaaaaaaaaay and wait for your handout and you'll be fine.

[nowhereman 1]

Rogue when your IQ hits double digits I will have a meaningful debate with you... until then sign off, unplug your computer & take your meds.

nowhereman, your valiant efforts are appreciated, but I think that when it gets to that point int the evening when marc has hijacked a thread, best to just flow with it. Spooky is right, it is kinda fun. Try it!

I know Rogue's just trying to get a reaction... sometimes he's funny & other times he's just obnoxious. For me he's in the 2nd category tonight.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Oh my! Those training wheels are quite rusty. Your palms are soft and your words speak of, a day when your life DEPENDS on another. Live your LIFE! not of mine! But of your OWN!

Hey rogueie baby, I'm just lovvving your soft palms and gentle touches. and we've finally hit our diaper fetish in its stride.... how did u know that seeing u, having u, undressing u in your DEPENDS is just what i'm cravin' tonight! Get on down on your knees diaper-honey and give daddy what he wants! Oh yeah!

Kids these days.

Rogue when your IQ hits double digits I will have a meaningful debate with you... until then sign off, unplug your computer & take your meds.

nowhereman, your valiant efforts are appreciated, but I think that when it gets to that point int the evening when marc has hijacked a thread, best to just flow with it. Spooky is right, it is kinda fun. Try it!

I know Rogue's just trying to get a reaction... sometimes he's funny & other times he's just obnoxious. For me he's in the 2nd category tonight.

Especially when your touched right down the middle of your soul.

[scandal 951]

Kids these days.

weak old boy, very weak.

let me know when you're ready for your vaseline lubejob old chum.

The kids wanna rock, and the old farts better get ready for their geritol and enemas, so pucker up that nice tight a-hole loverboy, here it comes!

[nowhereman 1]

Oh my! Those training wheels are quite rusty. Your palms are soft and your words speak of, a day when your life DEPENDS on another. Live your LIFE! not of mine! But of your OWN!

Hey rogueie baby, I'm just lovvving your soft palms and gentle touches. and we've finally hit our diaper fetish in its stride.... how did u know that seeing u, having u, undressing u in your DEPENDS is just what i'm cravin' tonight! Get on down on your knees diaper-honey and give daddy what he wants! Oh yeah!

Kids these days.

Rogue when your IQ hits double digits I will have a meaningful debate with you... until then sign off, unplug your computer & take your meds.

nowhereman, your valiant efforts are appreciated, but I think that when it gets to that point int the evening when marc has hijacked a thread, best to just flow with it. Spooky is right, it is kinda fun. Try it!

I know Rogue's just trying to get a reaction... sometimes he's funny & other times he's just obnoxious. For me he's in the 2nd category tonight.

Especially when your touched right down the middle of your soul.

Don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Kids these days.

weak old boy, very weak.

let me know when you're ready for your vaseline lubejob old chum.

The kids wanna rock, and the old farts better get ready for their geritol and enemas, so pucker up that nice tight a-hole loverboy, here it comes!

Is there no limit to the depths that grown men sink too?

[scandal 951]

Kids these days.

weak old boy, very weak.

let me know when you're ready for your vaseline lubejob old chum.

The kids wanna rock, and the old farts better get ready for their geritol and enemas, so pucker up that nice tight a-hole loverboy, here it comes!

Is there no limit to the depths that grown men sink too?

Apparently not! Quite pathetic, actually. Please, please don't let on the depravity