'Gay' gene claim suddenly vanishes

[The_Dude 1,142]

Don't know much about WorldNetDaily, but the article is all agenda and rampant speculation.

That is WND's MO. They have an agenda, and they try to weave it into a legitimate news article.

[fozzie 41]

Specifically, in a brochure that first came out about 1998, the APA stated: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."

However, in the update: a brochure now called, "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," the APA's position changed.

The new statement says:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles. ..."

I don't see any significant change in the statements. Both acknowledge that we know little about the actual triggers and both stipulate a biological role in how one is wired.

But what does one expect from World Nut Daily?

One would expect WND to run with a story which counters the claims of many ignorant people (the claim has even been made here... unchallenged).

Why do you hate freedom of the press?

Why do you believe I hate freedom of the press?

There's just no substance to the story they wrote. The APA's position hasn't changed. They have and continue to stipulate a biological role in the determination of an individual's sexuality. All the difference in the statement is that "biological" was replaced with "nature". That might be a big deal to folks over at World Nut Daily but in the real world, these terms are quite interchangeable.

I don't think anyone pushes the idea that sexual orientation is purely genetic. There may well be a genetic component of it - but its likely the result of a confluence of biological and social factors.

What social factors influence the sexual oreintation of a penguin? Lack of female penguins? The need to huddle together for warmth?

I agree that no one truely knows, it will be years before it is understood fully. Still, most, if not all, supporters of LGBT community concur that it is not a lifestyle choice and cannot be corrected through therapy. If it is a social influence then this can be altered with therapy.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Read the two statements carefully. They do not contradict each other.

Of course, it seems that Byrd's "ethicality of psychological care" involves "curing" homosexuality using therapy heavily based in religion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But why would therapy be necessary?

Whatever the root causes (if even there are consistent ones), what would be the incentive to submit to that kind of therapy?

Surely that would require a person to make a moral judgement to the effect that being gay is "deviant" and needs to be corrected.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Another interesting story might be.... why the change in position?

The issue you continue to side-step is that the article doesn't even show that there was a change in position.

[justashooter 430]

But why would therapy be necessary?

Whatever the root causes (if even there are consistent ones), what would be the incentive to submit to that kind of therapy?

Surely that would require a person to make a moral judgement to the effect that being gay is "deviant" and needs to be corrected.

for the same reason that therapy with intent to alter schema is necessary in other instances in which a maladaptive behaviour has rooted in a flawed persona.

to allow the person to function more effectively in soceity, and with less anxiety.

it is, and it does.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But why would therapy be necessary?

Whatever the root causes (if even there are consistent ones), what would be the incentive to submit to that kind of therapy?

Surely that would require a person to make a moral judgement to the effect that being gay is "deviant" and needs to be corrected.

for the same reason that therapy with intent to alter schema is necessary in other instances in which a maladaptive behaviour has rooted in a flawed persona.

to allow the person to function more effectively in soceity, and with less anxiety.

it is, and it does.

Who says it is a maladaptive behaviour or rooted in a flawed persona in order for it to require "alteration"?

This isn't the 1930's you know...

[Peikko 1,575]

In other words, I have another recruit for the ginger hater society. Yay!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What about maladaptive narcissism and delusions of grandeur?

ECT and a lobotomy would be my prescribed treatment!

[Peikko 1,575]

Shooter you don't like homos but I know why. They are a threat to your cloak of masculinity because underneath all that he man bravado, you are in fact attracted to the thought of ####### penetration, it turns you on. How absolutely ghastly to be caught between this rock and that hard place. To admit to the attraction would be to admit that you are less than alpha male so you have to suppress that thought, deep down beneath virulent hatred. If homosexuality didn't attract you at all, you wouldn't feel any need to condemn it. You are not bound by religious rules but yet you are drawn to castigate. That says it all really.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Shooter you don't like homos but I know why. They are a threat to your cloak of masculinity because underneath all that he man bravado, you are in fact attracted to the thought of ####### penetration, it turns you on. How absolutely ghastly to be caught between this rock and that hard place. To admit to the attraction would be to admit that you are less than alpha male so you have to suppress that thought, deep down beneath virulent hatred. If homosexuality didn't attract you at all, you wouldn't feel any need to condemn it. You are not bound by religious rules but yet you are drawn to castigate. That says it all really.

Spoken like a true ginger

[AlHayatZween 2]

[justashooter 430]

What about maladaptive narcissism and delusions of grandeur?

ECT and a lobotomy would be my prescribed treatment!

ECT is current. i know a guy who does it for schizos. he is the only practitioner in a county of a half million, and doesn't do it often.

lobotomy has been illegal for some decades.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What about maladaptive narcissism and delusions of grandeur?

ECT and a lobotomy would be my prescribed treatment!

ECT is current. i know a guy who does it for schizos. he is the only practitioner in a county of a half million, and doesn't do it often.

lobotomy has been illegal for some decades.

Yes I know.

[justashooter 430]

Shooter you don't like homos but I know why. They are a threat to your cloak of masculinity because underneath all that he man bravado, you are in fact attracted to the thought of ####### penetration, it turns you on. How absolutely ghastly to be caught between this rock and that hard place. To admit to the attraction would be to admit that you are less than alpha male so you have to suppress that thought, deep down beneath virulent hatred. If homosexuality didn't attract you at all, you wouldn't feel any need to condemn it. You are not bound by religious rules but yet you are drawn to castigate. That says it all really.

wow, now that's some graphic imagery. perhaps you have significant experience with the subject matter?

truely told, i have no inclination for the experience, and find the idea of it to be vulgar. i also find men to be unattractive, but find a fine female form to be highly stimulating. so, if i were a woman, i'd surely be gay.

What about maladaptive narcissism and delusions of grandeur?

ECT and a lobotomy would be my prescribed treatment!

ECT is current. i know a guy who does it for schizos. he is the only practitioner in a county of a half million, and doesn't do it often.

lobotomy has been illegal for some decades.

Yes I know.

so did you get the entendre?