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[alienlovechild 75]

Polygamy is not plural marriage, it's the ability of a man to take multiple wives. Please try harder.

Ditto --- that is not plural marriage, that is polygamy. Tres different, like Cleo said.

All of these involve patriarchal setups of multiple women being married to a single man (with diminished rights for the women)

Ok, what's the difference?

How about these definitions?

Definitions of Plural marriage on the Web:

Historically, one of the defining characteristics of much of the Latter Day Saint movement was the doctrine and practice of polygamy or later referred to as plural marriage, a type of polygyny. According to a consensus of historians, the practice was taught by Joseph Smith, Jr. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_marriage_(Latter-day_Saint)

A form of polygamy formerly practiced by Mormons

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plural_marriage

Which of these are plural marriages?

Bigamy: A marital practice in which a person is simultaneously married to two spouses.

Celestial Plural Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Christian polygamy: Polygyny following the culture of the ancient Hebrews as described in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)

Egalitarian polygamy: Polygamy within "peer marriages" in which all spouses have equal power. Decisions are made by mutual consent. Child nurturing, discipline, other parenting tasks and all other jobs are distributed among the spouses by consensus.

Group sex: Sexual activity among more than two people together in the same location.

Group marriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Polymarriage

Law of Abraham: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Law of Sarah: A Mormon term granting to a man's first wife the right to consent to, or prohibit, her husband's wishes to marry additional wives. In the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132:64, God threatened any wife with destruction if she refused to consent to additional wives. Mormon denominations recognize the Doctrine and Covenants, to be divinely inspired and authoritative scripture.

Law of the Priesthood. One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has no more than one spouse at the same time.

Open marriage: A committed relationship of two married persons in which both are free to engage in outside sexual relationships.

Open relationship: An agreement in which two or more partners are free to pursue other emotional and/or sexual relationships external to their prime relationship(s). This is normally done openly, with the full knowledge and agreement of all participants.

Patriarchal Order of Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Plural marriage: Synonym for polygyny. Commonly used to refer to Mormon polygynous relationships. One husband shares many wives; each wife normally has a separate living space.

Poly: an abbreviation of Polyamory.

Polyamory: Greek for "many loves." A romantic and/or sexual relationship involving multiple partners at the same time. The participants may or may not consider themselves to be married to each other.

Polyfidelity: A polygamous relationship in which each participant restricts their sexual behavior to others within the established group.

Polyandry: A marital practice in which one woman is married to more than one man.

Polygamy: A marital practice in which a person has more than one spouse simultaneously.

Polygyny: A marital practice in which one man has married more than one woman.

Polymarriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Group marriage

Quad: In a sexual sense: A sexual exchange involving four persons. A sexually active relationship involving four persons.

Serial monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has multiple marriage partners during their lifetime, but is limited to one spouse at a time.

Serial polygamy: A synonym for "serial monogamy" that is now rarely used.

Spiritual marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Starvation economy: The concept that the intensity and deepness of one's love for another person is diluted if one or more additional emotional and/or sexual partners are involved.

Sub-relationship: A sexual relationship by a polygamist with a person external to the polygamous relationship.

Swinging: An exchange of partners, usually between two or more otherwise monogamous couples, which is generally structured to avoid the formation of emotional bonds.

Triad: In a sexual sense, sexual activity by three persons, whether in a committed or casual relationship.

Wife swapping: An obsolete and sexist synonym for swinging among opposite-sex couples.

Bigamy: A marital practice in which a person is simultaneously married to two spouses.

Celestial Plural Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Christian polygamy: Polygyny following the culture of the ancient Hebrews as described in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)

Egalitarian polygamy: Polygamy within "peer marriages" in which all spouses have equal power. Decisions are made by mutual consent. Child nurturing, discipline, other parenting tasks and all other jobs are distributed among the spouses by consensus.

Group sex: Sexual activity among more than two people together in the same location.

Group marriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Polymarriage

Law of Abraham: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Law of Sarah: A Mormon term granting to a man's first wife the right to consent to, or prohibit, her husband's wishes to marry additional wives. In the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132:64, God threatened any wife with destruction if she refused to consent to additional wives. Mormon denominations recognize the Doctrine and Covenants, to be divinely inspired and authoritative scripture.

Law of the Priesthood. One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has no more than one spouse at the same time.

Open marriage: A committed relationship of two married persons in which both are free to engage in outside sexual relationships.

Open relationship: An agreement in which two or more partners are free to pursue other emotional and/or sexual relationships external to their prime relationship(s). This is normally done openly, with the full knowledge and agreement of all participants.

Patriarchal Order of Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Plural marriage: Synonym for polygyny. Commonly used to refer to Mormon polygynous relationships. One husband shares many wives; each wife normally has a separate living space.

Poly: an abbreviation of Polyamory.

Polyamory: Greek for "many loves." A romantic and/or sexual relationship involving multiple partners at the same time. The participants may or may not consider themselves to be married to each other.

Polyfidelity: A polygamous relationship in which each participant restricts their sexual behavior to others within the established group.

Polyandry: A marital practice in which one woman is married to more than one man.

Polygamy: A marital practice in which a person has more than one spouse simultaneously.

Polygyny: A marital practice in which one man has married more than one woman.

Polymarriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Group marriage

Quad: In a sexual sense: A sexual exchange involving four persons. A sexually active relationship involving four persons.

Serial monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has multiple marriage partners during their lifetime, but is limited to one spouse at a time.

Serial polygamy: A synonym for "serial monogamy" that is now rarely used.

Spiritual marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Starvation economy: The concept that the intensity and deepness of one's love for another person is diluted if one or more additional emotional and/or sexual partners are involved.

Sub-relationship: A sexual relationship by a polygamist with a person external to the polygamous relationship.

Swinging: An exchange of partners, usually between two or more otherwise monogamous couples, which is generally structured to avoid the formation of emotional bonds.

Triad: In a sexual sense, sexual activity by three persons, whether in a committed or casual relationship.

Wife swapping: An obsolete and sexist synonym for swinging among opposite-sex couples.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/polydefn.htm

Edited June 8, 2009 by alienlovechild

[mawilson 2,133]

What I have asked, is how such a marriage would work. What would any of the participants get out of such an arrangement?

Same as traditional marriage - a solid financial foundation (four people can buy a bigger house

than two couples), a stable loving relationship and environment in which to raise children.

You believe that would happen? The evidence seems to be that 2 people have a hard time making a marriage work, suddenly add two more people and the dynamic becomes ever more complicated and ever more difficult to maintain.

Two people have a hard time making a marriage work because monogamous marriages are unnatural.

Add two or more people and things will get easier to manage.

[Peikko 1,575]

What I have asked, is how such a marriage would work. What would any of the participants get out of such an arrangement?

Same as traditional marriage - a solid financial foundation (four people can buy a bigger house

than two couples), a stable loving relationship and environment in which to raise children.

You believe that would happen? The evidence seems to be that 2 people have a hard time making a marriage work, suddenly add two more people and the dynamic becomes ever more complicated and ever more difficult to maintain.

Two people have a hard time making a marriage work because monogamous marriages are unnatural.

Add two or more people and things will get easier to manage.

I see. Well, I'll certainly attempt to get my head round this possibility. I can see the financial advantages potentially...

Polygamy is not plural marriage, it's the ability of a man to take multiple wives. Please try harder.

Ditto --- that is not plural marriage, that is polygamy. Tres different, like Cleo said.

All of these involve patriarchal setups of multiple women being married to a single man (with diminished rights for the women)

Ok, what's the difference?

How about these definitions?

Definitions of Plural marriage on the Web:

Historically, one of the defining characteristics of much of the Latter Day Saint movement was the doctrine and practice of polygamy or later referred to as plural marriage, a type of polygyny. According to a consensus of historians, the practice was taught by Joseph Smith, Jr. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_marriage_(Latter-day_Saint)

A form of polygamy formerly practiced by Mormons

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plural_marriage

Which of these are plural marriages?

Bigamy: A marital practice in which a person is simultaneously married to two spouses.

Celestial Plural Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Christian polygamy: Polygyny following the culture of the ancient Hebrews as described in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)

Egalitarian polygamy: Polygamy within "peer marriages" in which all spouses have equal power. Decisions are made by mutual consent. Child nurturing, discipline, other parenting tasks and all other jobs are distributed among the spouses by consensus.

Group sex: Sexual activity among more than two people together in the same location.

Group marriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Polymarriage

Law of Abraham: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Law of Sarah: A Mormon term granting to a man's first wife the right to consent to, or prohibit, her husband's wishes to marry additional wives. In the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132:64, God threatened any wife with destruction if she refused to consent to additional wives. Mormon denominations recognize the Doctrine and Covenants, to be divinely inspired and authoritative scripture.

Law of the Priesthood. One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has no more than one spouse at the same time.

Open marriage: A committed relationship of two married persons in which both are free to engage in outside sexual relationships.

Open relationship: An agreement in which two or more partners are free to pursue other emotional and/or sexual relationships external to their prime relationship(s). This is normally done openly, with the full knowledge and agreement of all participants.

Patriarchal Order of Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Plural marriage: Synonym for polygyny. Commonly used to refer to Mormon polygynous relationships. One husband shares many wives; each wife normally has a separate living space.

Poly: an abbreviation of Polyamory.

Polyamory: Greek for "many loves." A romantic and/or sexual relationship involving multiple partners at the same time. The participants may or may not consider themselves to be married to each other.

Polyfidelity: A polygamous relationship in which each participant restricts their sexual behavior to others within the established group.

Polyandry: A marital practice in which one woman is married to more than one man.

Polygamy: A marital practice in which a person has more than one spouse simultaneously.

Polygyny: A marital practice in which one man has married more than one woman.

Polymarriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Group marriage

Quad: In a sexual sense: A sexual exchange involving four persons. A sexually active relationship involving four persons.

Serial monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has multiple marriage partners during their lifetime, but is limited to one spouse at a time.

Serial polygamy: A synonym for "serial monogamy" that is now rarely used.

Spiritual marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Starvation economy: The concept that the intensity and deepness of one's love for another person is diluted if one or more additional emotional and/or sexual partners are involved.

Sub-relationship: A sexual relationship by a polygamist with a person external to the polygamous relationship.

Swinging: An exchange of partners, usually between two or more otherwise monogamous couples, which is generally structured to avoid the formation of emotional bonds.

Triad: In a sexual sense, sexual activity by three persons, whether in a committed or casual relationship.

Wife swapping: An obsolete and sexist synonym for swinging among opposite-sex couples.

Bigamy: A marital practice in which a person is simultaneously married to two spouses.

Celestial Plural Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Christian polygamy: Polygyny following the culture of the ancient Hebrews as described in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)

Egalitarian polygamy: Polygamy within "peer marriages" in which all spouses have equal power. Decisions are made by mutual consent. Child nurturing, discipline, other parenting tasks and all other jobs are distributed among the spouses by consensus.

Group sex: Sexual activity among more than two people together in the same location.

Group marriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Polymarriage

Law of Abraham: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Law of Sarah: A Mormon term granting to a man's first wife the right to consent to, or prohibit, her husband's wishes to marry additional wives. In the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132:64, God threatened any wife with destruction if she refused to consent to additional wives. Mormon denominations recognize the Doctrine and Covenants, to be divinely inspired and authoritative scripture.

Law of the Priesthood. One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has no more than one spouse at the same time.

Open marriage: A committed relationship of two married persons in which both are free to engage in outside sexual relationships.

Open relationship: An agreement in which two or more partners are free to pursue other emotional and/or sexual relationships external to their prime relationship(s). This is normally done openly, with the full knowledge and agreement of all participants.

Patriarchal Order of Marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Plural marriage: Synonym for polygyny. Commonly used to refer to Mormon polygynous relationships. One husband shares many wives; each wife normally has a separate living space.

Poly: an abbreviation of Polyamory.

Polyamory: Greek for "many loves." A romantic and/or sexual relationship involving multiple partners at the same time. The participants may or may not consider themselves to be married to each other.

Polyfidelity: A polygamous relationship in which each participant restricts their sexual behavior to others within the established group.

Polyandry: A marital practice in which one woman is married to more than one man.

Polygamy: A marital practice in which a person has more than one spouse simultaneously.

Polygyny: A marital practice in which one man has married more than one woman.

Polymarriage: A committed relationship involving more than two persons. It often involves a commitment ritual. Synonym: Group marriage

Quad: In a sexual sense: A sexual exchange involving four persons. A sexually active relationship involving four persons.

Serial monogamy: A marital practice in which a person has multiple marriage partners during their lifetime, but is limited to one spouse at a time.

Serial polygamy: A synonym for "serial monogamy" that is now rarely used.

Spiritual marriage: One of many terms used within the Mormon movement to refer to religiously sanctioned polygynous marriage.

Starvation economy: The concept that the intensity and deepness of one's love for another person is diluted if one or more additional emotional and/or sexual partners are involved.

Sub-relationship: A sexual relationship by a polygamist with a person external to the polygamous relationship.

Swinging: An exchange of partners, usually between two or more otherwise monogamous couples, which is generally structured to avoid the formation of emotional bonds.

Triad: In a sexual sense, sexual activity by three persons, whether in a committed or casual relationship.

Wife swapping: An obsolete and sexist synonym for swinging among opposite-sex couples.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/polydefn.htm

Random quotes as to the definitions of polygamy really will not wash. You have cluttered this thread and not furthered the arguments one iota.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

For starters, take out all the ones that relate exclusively to sex.

[mawilson 2,133]

What I have asked, is how such a marriage would work. What would any of the participants get out of such an arrangement?

Same as traditional marriage - a solid financial foundation (four people can buy a bigger house

than two couples), a stable loving relationship and environment in which to raise children.

How narrow a view!!!! What if wives + husbands do not want to procreate???? Shame on you! Shame on you!

Nothing wrong with that.

WAIT. What if husband +2 and wive +4 want to have a baby, buth the other wives do not? How does that work

Same as a traditional marriage. What if your husband wants to have a baby and you don't?

You discuss it and decide how you want to proceed.

[alienlovechild 75]

Random quotes as to the definitions of polygamy really will not wash. You have cluttered this thread and not furthered the arguments one iota.

Random definitions are better than no definitions.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

What I have asked, is how such a marriage would work. What would any of the participants get out of such an arrangement?

Same as traditional marriage - a solid financial foundation (four people can buy a bigger house

than two couples), a stable loving relationship and environment in which to raise children.

How narrow a view!!!! What if wives + husbands do not want to procreate???? Shame on you! Shame on you!

Nothing wrong with that.

WAIT. What if husband +2 and wive +4 want to have a baby, buth the other wives do not? How does that work

Same as a traditional marriage. What if your husband wants to have a baby and you don't?

You discuss it and decide how you want to proceed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Random quotes as to the definitions of polygamy really will not wash. You have cluttered this thread and not furthered the arguments one iota.

Random definitions are better than no definitions.

How can you not get it?

It means multiple men and women in a single "marriage" - not a marriage of multiple women centered around a single man.

[mawilson 2,133]

How will you get that from your 3 wives and 2 husbands?

What if you want sex with wife #2 but you can't get any because Husband #1 is keeping her to himself and is nobbing her at every opportunity?

I'll let him have her and have sex with wife #1.

We're all friends, remember. It's not about competition.

Of course not. Or jealousy either. Its not as though there's such a thing as human nature.

If you're a jealous person and don't like the idea of sharing, then plural marriage is not for you - it's that simple.

It's not for everybody.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Plural marriage, with a multiplicity of 'partners' makes a nonsense out of the notion of marriage. There is no necessity to marry unless you wish to select a partner with whom to live and derive the mutual benefits from having that exclusive relationship.

Actually, marriage is really about property ownership

What if you want to live with multiple partners and "derive the mutual benefits from having that exclusive relationship"?

Property ownership and raising children. Which, let's face it, is easier when there are three or four "parents".

Have an affair or two I guess...

Affairs are not for me - I want exclusivity and commitment!

How will you get that from your 3 wives and 2 husbands?

What if you want sex with wife #2 but you can't get any because Husband #1 is keeping her to himself and is nobbing her at every opportunity?

Having lived in that environment for years (I was a hippie before I became a money grubbing facist), the polygamist or communal society becomes strangly monogamist, or bigamist, but in a modular sense. Partners get shuffled on an irregular basis, not nightly. I hear the same thing happens in retirement communities among the unmarried residents.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Mister_Bill

[mawilson 2,133]

What I have asked, is how such a marriage would work. What would any of the participants get out of such an arrangement?

Same as traditional marriage - a solid financial foundation (four people can buy a bigger house

than two couples), a stable loving relationship and environment in which to raise children.

You believe that would happen? The evidence seems to be that 2 people have a hard time making a marriage work, suddenly add two more people and the dynamic becomes ever more complicated and ever more difficult to maintain.

Two people have a hard time making a marriage work because monogamous marriages are unnatural.

Add two or more people and things will get easier to manage.

I see. Well, I'll certainly attempt to get my head round this possibility. I can see the financial advantages potentially...

That's all I ask.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Having lived in that environment for years (I was a hippie before I became a money grubbing facist), the polygamist or communal society becomes strangly monogamist, or bigamist, but in a modular sense. Partners get shuffled on an irregular basis, not nightly. I hear the same thing happens in retirement communities among the unmarried residents.

#######?!?!?! Old ladies and geezers having sex?????

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How will you get that from your 3 wives and 2 husbands?

What if you want sex with wife #2 but you can't get any because Husband #1 is keeping her to himself and is nobbing her at every opportunity?

I'll let him have her and have sex with wife #1.

We're all friends, remember. It's not about competition.

Of course not. Or jealousy either. Its not as though there's such a thing as human nature.

If you're a jealous person and don't like the idea of sharing, then plural marriage is not for you - it's that simple.

It's not for everybody.

Its not practical.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

How will you get that from your 3 wives and 2 husbands?

What if you want sex with wife #2 but you can't get any because Husband #1 is keeping her to himself and is nobbing her at every opportunity?

I'll let him have her and have sex with wife #1.

We're all friends, remember. It's not about competition.

Of course not. Or jealousy either. Its not as though there's such a thing as human nature.

If you're a jealous person and don't like the idea of sharing, then plural marriage is not for you - it's that simple.

It's not for everybody.

Its not practical.

Tell me about it. Why would I want to disappoint two women?

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Funny thing... most still seem to think plural marriage and polygamy are the same thing.... this would include for the possibility of one (or more) woman having more than one husband. How would you like being husband #3?

Again, I would not enter a plural marriage; but have no problem with folks who would, or who de facto live as such; as long as they are all consenting adults.