Should We Waterboard the Christian Fascist Terrorist Who Assassinated Dr. Tiller?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As I said - its a murky issue.

Naturally its dependent on context and jurisdiction.

[jundp 191]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

Right. Remember the IRA guy who was charged with 3 counts of murder when his bomb killed a woman pregnant with twins?

Again, totally OT. My bad.

[Danno 1,228]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nazism is a political ideology Danno. How then is the doctor "Nazi-like"?

Noone said abortion was a pleasant procedure, nor pleasant to go through.

The fact remains that the guy operated within the law - on women who paid him to carry out the procedure. There were questions about his use of a mental health loophole that allowed him to carry out abortions later than would normally be permitted, and some misdemeanor charges to that effect which were later dropped.

[mawilson 2,133]

The assassin of Dr. Tiller is a terrorist. His goal, and the goal of people like him, is to silence the pro-choice community into submission by unleashing a reign of terror. They want to scare good people into not practicing their legal profession and they want to scare women into back alley abortions.

These are the very hallmarks of terrorism. Not unlike Al Qaeda at all.

Of course, one could also say the same thing about the left-wing media which is exploiting

Tiller's death to stifle any criticism of abortion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The assassin of Dr. Tiller is a terrorist. His goal, and the goal of people like him, is to silence the pro-choice community into submission by unleashing a reign of terror. They want to scare good people into not practicing their legal profession and they want to scare women into back alley abortions.

These are the very hallmarks of terrorism. Not unlike Al Qaeda at all.

Of course, one could also say the same thing about the left-wing media which is exploiting

Tiller's death to stifle any criticism of abortion.

If the guy who killed the doctor is part of a group who targetted the doctor in the past and have set fire to abortion clinics elsewhere in the country, its hard to see how that isn't terrorism. After all, the guy in question had some prior history for possession/making of bomb making equipment....

Granted its not the most pervasive form of terrorism - in that its very specifically targeted, but its terrorism nonetheless.

Edited June 2, 2009 by Private Pike

[Marina-Del 10]

Scott Roeder was no more of a christian than baby killer Dr Tiller who graced the doors of a church on Sundays. I dont know why Christianity needs to be throwed into this bcz neither of them displayed Christs example of love for humanity.

In my opinion, it is not my job, your job or anyones job to say who and who is not a Christian. Many many people call themselves Christians who do not display Christ's examples....but who are we to say that they are not Christians? There are tons of different Christian denominations and some say some things and others say others, but they all have different ideas and all interpret the Bible differently. So maybe neither of those men are Christians and maybe they both were, but that is not something that we can know. There is only one person that knows that.

Luke 13:24-27 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets,l But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

[Marina-Del 10]

I think the US (and every other country for that matter) should offer free vasectomies (or free tube tying). Especially for guys who owe lots of child support. But seriously, that would solve a lot of problems.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, is that all it is

Edited June 2, 2009 by looking_up

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

[_Simpson_ 250]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Do you find late stage abortion wrong?

[mawilson 2,133]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Do you find late stage abortion wrong?

I think the highlighted part above answers your question