Should We Waterboard the Christian Fascist Terrorist Who Assassinated Dr. Tiller?

[_Simpson_ 250]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

Do I need to tell you what his job was, are you kidding?! Hyperbolic rant , quit being a drama queen.

You said (and I quote) "when a man lived his life the way he did".

There was more to this man's life than his job. You aren't willing to see that.

Again - you don't know how this man lived his life. We only know a smattering of second hand information from second and third hand sources. The difference is you want to slander and defame the man. I don't.

He was a activist and has been preforming abortion services since 1973. So the words in question here are "when a man lived his life the way he did"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ah that totally clears it up.

Totally.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Ah that totally clears it up.

Totally.

Im glad you agree

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Here is the underlying issue:

Late-term abortions

Two of Kansas' high-profile anti-abortion organizations point to Tiller's clinic in Wichita as the main reason for the out-of-state numbers.

Tiller's practice, one of the few in the country that offers late-term abortions, draws women from both coasts and many places in between.

In 2007, as in years past, abortions performed past 22 weeks of pregnancy made up a small percentage of Kansas' overall total, less than 4 percent. Yet more than 90 percent of the women getting late-term abortions were from outside Kansas.

Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue, said he moved the organization from Los Angeles to Wichita because of the number of women coming into what he calls the abortion capital of the world.

Under Kansas law, as in many other states, abortions can't be performed past the 22-week mark unless a women's life or health is at risk. Both physical and mental health are considered in the determination.

Newman and other anti-abortion organizations have claimed Tiller has continuously broken Kansas law by performing late-term abortions when there was no threat of a "substantial or irreversible impairment of a major bodily function."

A Sedgwick County grand jury subpoenaed the medical files of 2,000 of Tiller's patients. On Tuesday, the Kansas Supreme Court will hear three cases challenging those subpoenas.

"The lion's share of his business comes from out-of-state clientele because he is willing to circumvent the laws in this state," Newman said.

Brownlie and Henshaw, however, say Tiller provides a service - abortions for women carrying a fetus that will die shortly after birth and for those with fetal abnormalities.

In the past two years, women have come from 48 states, Canada and Puerto Rico to have abortions in Kansas.

"There isn't very much need nationally for abortions past 20 weeks. You don't need a lot of facilities," Henshaw said.

Brownlie said that when he was director of a Fort Worth, Texas, Planned Parenthood he would refer patients to Tiller's clinic for services the women couldn't receive in Texas.

Restrictions on Tiller's practice have national implications, Henshaw said.

"If Kansas succeeds in making it impossible to provide that service, that affects women in a lot of other states," he said.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/apr/07/h...tions_visitors/

[Krikit 1,164]

Aye, yai, yai, Danno. Please watch the personal attacks. Posts made invisible.

[Danno 1,228]

Hmm, don't recall making a personal attack, perhaps I slipped, I "usually" try to avoid that sort-a-thing.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

Scott Roeder was no more of a christian than baby killer Dr Tiller who graced the doors of a church on Sundays. I dont know why Christianity needs to be throwed into this bcz neither of them displayed Christs example of love for humanity.

In my opinion, it is not my job, your job or anyones job to say who and who is not a Christian. Many many people call themselves Christians who do not display Christ's examples....but who are we to say that they are not Christians? There are tons of different Christian denominations and some say some things and others say others, but they all have different ideas and all interpret the Bible differently. So maybe neither of those men are Christians and maybe they both were, but that is not something that we can know. There is only one person that knows that.

Luke 13:24-27 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets,l But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

Since there is no proof as to whether either of them are christians OR not... then Christian has no place in the title above. Christianity has no place on the shelf with Fascism or Terrorism -period.

And from your bible verse you pointed out, means that there will be alot of people thinking they were Christians and are going to find out in the end there were really nothing but evildoers. Just bcz people want to label themselves as such, doesnt make it so in the end according to Luke 13.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Scott Roeder was no more of a christian than baby killer Dr Tiller who graced the doors of a church on Sundays. I dont know why Christianity needs to be throwed into this bcz neither of them displayed Christs example of love for humanity.

In my opinion, it is not my job, your job or anyones job to say who and who is not a Christian. Many many people call themselves Christians who do not display Christ's examples....but who are we to say that they are not Christians? There are tons of different Christian denominations and some say some things and others say others, but they all have different ideas and all interpret the Bible differently. So maybe neither of those men are Christians and maybe they both were, but that is not something that we can know. There is only one person that knows that.

Luke 13:24-27 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets,l But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

Since there is no proof as to whether either of them are christians OR not... then Christian has no place in the title above. Christianity has no place on the shelf with Fascism or Terrorism -period.

And from your bible verse you pointed out, means that there will be alot of people thinking they were Christians and are going to find out in the end there were really nothing but evildoers. Just bcz people want to label themselves as such, doesnt make it so in the end according to Luke 13.

There is evidence that both are Christians, just not necissarily from this article. But then again, i've read other articles in other publications about this.

[mawilson 2,133]

What happened to AJ? Suspended for calling everyone and their dog a terrorist?

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

it seemed to me that he was going by the policy of "guilty before given a chance to be proven innocent" with the republican/terrorist issue. I always thought we were innocent until proven guilty

[AlHayatZween 2]

What happened to AJ? Suspended for calling everyone and their dog a terrorist?

Maybe he had to work... that happens to me sometimes...

[mawilson 2,133]

What happened to AJ? Suspended for calling everyone and their dog a terrorist?

Maybe he had to work... that happens to me sometimes...

Nah, not AJ.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

What happened to AJ? Suspended for calling everyone and their dog a terrorist?

Could be.

[Danno 1,228]

What happened to AJ? Suspended for calling everyone and their dog a terrorist?

I think he may have cracked, this unfortunate event might have been too much for him.

Apparently if you don't get all broke up about a abortion Doc going to meet his maker... you must yourself be a secret terrorist.

Hey.. if the news broke that O.J. Simpson was found knifed at a Golf resort, I would not loose sleep either.

... doesn't mean I want or advise anyone to do it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

it seemed to me that he was going by the policy of "guilty before given a chance to be proven innocent" with the republican/terrorist issue. I always thought we were innocent until proven guilty

Well, as to the mans guilt, it seems quite incontrovertible. He shot the doctor while a church service was going on. He was also convicted in the past of posessing materials to make bombs. I'm not sure what your definition of a terrorist is........

As to the waterboarding and christian facism part of the post..... well, AJ is a troll, and if you take everything he posts seriously, you really shouldn't be participating in OT threads.