Should We Waterboard the Christian Fascist Terrorist Who Assassinated Dr. Tiller?

[DeadPoolX 9]

I'm pro-abortion. Not pro-choice and certainly not pro-life.

Let's see how THAT plays out...

that's it, surrender your timbits right now.

I see you're pro-timbit.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

[mawilson 2,133]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

That's exactly what people are doing. They just stop short of explicitly saying so.

And no - the doctor was not guilty of any murders. He was charged with a number of misdemeanors (murder isn't a misdemeanor) which were later dropped.

[_Simpson_ 250]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

Do I need to tell you what his job was, are you kidding?! Hyperbolic rant , quit being a drama queen.

[Marina-Del 10]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

That's exactly what people are doing. They just stop short of explicitly saying so.

And no - the doctor was not guilty of any murders. He was charged with a number of misdemeanors (murder isn't a misdemeanor) which were later dropped.

How about from now on if we use the word murder -in reference to what the Dr did- we clarify it to something like "murder that is not against the law" or something?

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

Do I need to tell you what his job was, are you kidding?! Hyperbolic rant , quit being a drama queen.

But that's the point here. To YOU, what the Dr. did was murder...to others it's not. But the important issue here is that what the Dr. did was NOT murder UNDER THE LAW.

Edited June 2, 2009 by Marina-Del

[The_Dude 1,142]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

Do I need to tell you what his job was, are you kidding?! Hyperbolic rant , quit being a drama queen.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

Do I need to tell you what his job was, are you kidding?! Hyperbolic rant , quit being a drama queen.

You said (and I quote) "when a man lived his life the way he did".

There was more to this man's life than his job. You aren't willing to see that.

Again - you don't know how this man lived his life. We only know a smattering of second hand information from second and third hand sources. The difference is you want to slander and defame the man. I don't.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

Okay, but the point is it's LEGAL to perform an abortion. It's ILLEGAL to murder someone.

It also depends on the circumstance. Killing someone to protect yourself (or others) is a lot different from casually killing someone. The former is classified as self-defense while the latter is murder.

Warfare takes a similar stance. Killing someone in combat is legal and not considered murder. If you kill a POW or civilians, that's murder.

So I see this as both both a legal issue and a circumstantial one.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

That's exactly what people are doing. They just stop short of explicitly saying so.

And no - the doctor was not guilty of any murders. He was charged with a number of misdemeanors (murder isn't a misdemeanor) which were later dropped.

How about from now on if we use the word murder -in reference to what the Dr did- we clarify it to something like "murder that is not against the law" or something?

How would that help?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

That's exactly what people are doing. They just stop short of explicitly saying so.

And no - the doctor was not guilty of any murders. He was charged with a number of misdemeanors (murder isn't a misdemeanor) which were later dropped.

How about from now on if we use the word murder -in reference to what the Dr did- we clarify it to something like "murder that is not against the law" or something?

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

You don't know how the man lived his life. You only know what he did for a living - and have gone off on hyperbolic rant that somehow this one man was the root of all our problems.

Do I need to tell you what his job was, are you kidding?! Hyperbolic rant , quit being a drama queen.

But that's the point here. To YOU, what the Dr. did was murder...to others it's not. But the important issue here is that what the Dr. did was NOT murder UNDER THE LAW.

What, no I never mentioned murder, your not paying attention to my posts. I used the word immoral.

[Marina-Del 10]

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

I don't think anyone's trying to justify his murder - it's just as wrong as the murders the good Dr committed himself.

That's exactly what people are doing. They just stop short of explicitly saying so.

And no - the doctor was not guilty of any murders. He was charged with a number of misdemeanors (murder isn't a misdemeanor) which were later dropped.

How about from now on if we use the word murder -in reference to what the Dr did- we clarify it to something like "murder that is not against the law" or something?

How would that help?

Maybe it wouldn't since you guys seem to keep going over that topic...but it was only a suggestion since it seems to me that every time that other guy calls it murder others say "it's not murder" and every time someone says it's not murder the other guy says it is....just trying to help everyone get over that bump.

Take it or leave it! Anyway, I'm out....gotta go to work

good luck! (I hope my side wins! )

[Danno 1,228]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

Who said he was a Nazi? I said Nazi-like.

It's still factually incorrect and intellectually lazy.

Perhaps but why did you not make a point of it when the term was first used, earlier by the OP?

Perhaps you need a quote as you took little notice then.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Murder is a crime (per dictionary definition). What constitutes a crime depends on the law where the act occurred. Essentially, murder is a legal term.

"Abortion is murder" is simply an incorrect statement--contrary to fact. The correct meaning of the word has been muddled by such common phrases as "abortion is murder" or "I believe abortion is murder." These statements should really be "I believe that abortion should be murder."

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

Who said he was a Nazi? I said Nazi-like.

It's still factually incorrect and intellectually lazy.

Perhaps but why did you not make a point of it when the term was first used, earlier by the OP?

Perhaps you need a quote as you took little notice then.