Should We Waterboard the Christian Fascist Terrorist Who Assassinated Dr. Tiller?

[mawilson 2,133]

Most of society doesnt find this act moral. Quit playing games, if its wrong we need to do something about it and not just stand around.

So you speak for "most of society" do you? Who knew...

For what it's worth:

Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas.

Aug. 1-18, 2007. N=3,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 2.

"Now I would like to ask your opinion about a specific abortion procedure known as 'late-term' abortion or 'partial birth' abortion, which is sometimes performed on women during the last few months of pregnancy. Do you think that this procedure should be legal or illegal?"

Legal: 17%

Illegal: 75%

Unsure: 8%

Gallup Poll.

May 10-13, 2007. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Now I would like to ask your opinion about a specific abortion procedure known as 'late term' abortion or 'partial birth' abortion, which is sometimes performed on women during the last few months of pregnancy. Do you think that this procedure should be legal or illegal?"

Legal: 22%

Illegal: 72%

Unsure: 5%

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll.

May 4-6, 2007. N=1,028 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Now I would like to ask your opinion about a specific abortion procedure known as a 'late-term' abortion or 'partial-birth' abortion, which is sometimes performed on women during the last few months of pregnancy. Do you think that the government should make this procedure illegal, or do you think that the procedure should be legal?"

Legal: 28%

Illegal: 66%

Unsure: 5%

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you speak for "most of society" do you? Who knew...

I think the man getting shot was wrong too - but I'm not going to turn activist about that either.

$hit happens as I said. If you're going to take up arms over everything that is wrong or "immoral" in the world - you're going to have a very short and very crappy life.

Your playing games again, I dont think we need to take a poll to find out that most of us find it wrong. Its a given.

I never asked you too take up arms, were this began with is when you took issue with me about using the word immoral and thats what I was addressing, you tried to write me off as being emotional.

Its not a given though.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Most of society doesnt find this act moral. Quit playing games, if its wrong we need to do something about it and not just stand around.

So you speak for "most of society" do you? Who knew...

For what it's worth:

Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas.

Aug. 1-18, 2007. N=3,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 2.

"Now I would like to ask your opinion about a specific abortion procedure known as 'late-term' abortion or 'partial birth' abortion, which is sometimes performed on women during the last few months of pregnancy. Do you think that this procedure should be legal or illegal?"

Legal: 17%

Illegal: 75%

Unsure: 8%

Gallup Poll.

May 10-13, 2007. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Now I would like to ask your opinion about a specific abortion procedure known as 'late term' abortion or 'partial birth' abortion, which is sometimes performed on women during the last few months of pregnancy. Do you think that this procedure should be legal or illegal?"

Legal: 22%

Illegal: 72%

Unsure: 5%

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll.

May 4-6, 2007. N=1,028 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Now I would like to ask your opinion about a specific abortion procedure known as a 'late-term' abortion or 'partial-birth' abortion, which is sometimes performed on women during the last few months of pregnancy. Do you think that the government should make this procedure illegal, or do you think that the procedure should be legal?"

Legal: 28%

Illegal: 66%

Unsure: 5%

People's opinions on a given topic are usually more nuanced than can be encompassed in a poll question.

That question is very generalised and it does not address context - such as the baby/fetus having significant physical defects, or the pregnancy somehow putting the mother's life at risk.

[Marina-Del 10]

I'm not stating my opinions in this post exactly, but I think you both are talking about two different things:

You of you is talking about something being legal or illegal and the other about moral or immoral...

Are they currently the same thing? Should they be the same thing?

Edited June 2, 2009 by Marina-Del

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not stating my opinions in this post exactly, but I think you both are talking about two different things:

You of you is talking about something being legal or illegal and the other about moral or immoral...

Are they currently the same thing? Should they be the same thing?

You're right they aren't the same.

[mawilson 2,133]

I'm not stating my opinions in this post exactly, but I think you both are talking about two different things:

You of you is talking about something being legal or illegal and the other about moral or immoral...

Are they currently the same thing? Should they be the same thing?

Well... if most people want to make it illegal, I seriously doubt they believe it's "moral".

[Danno 1,228]

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And how many of the tens of thousands of people detained in Iraq were waterboarded......

3 ,yet "the principle" seems large enough to make an issue out of it.

It's odd the left goes so far out of it's way to object to the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Muhammed... but silence when a fully formed fetus is painfully destroyed.

If it were not for the fanatical objects of the left.... these type abortions would be limited to necessary life-saving situations rather than what we have now.

These same Left-wingers who refuse to consider a "basic human Right" in the case of this fully formed fetus, (complete with fingernails and fingerprints), can clearly see the Rights of the MAster-Mind of 911.

Go figure

Edited June 2, 2009 by Danno

[_Simpson_ 250]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

The conversation became about a late term abortions. Whos blaming the victim, not me, what the shooter did was wrong. You just cant expect there to be a huge outcry when a man lived his life the way he did.

I think it goes with out saying but unlike Len I dont think your the man.

[mawilson 2,133]

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And how many of the tens of thousands of people detained in Iraq were waterboarded......

3 ,yet "the principle" seems large enough to make an issue out of it.

It's odd the left goes so far out of it's way to object to the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Muhammed... but silence when a fully formed fetus is painfully destroyed.

Very good point.

[Danno 1,228]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

Who said he was a Nazi? I said Nazi-like.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I'm pro-abortion. Not pro-choice and certainly not pro-life.

Let's see how THAT plays out...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And how many of the tens of thousands of people detained in Iraq were waterboarded......

3 ,yet "the principle" seems large enough to make an issue out of it.

It's odd the left goes so far out of it's way to object to the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Muhammed... but silence when a fully formed fetus is painfully destroyed.

If it were not for the fanatical objects of the left.... these type things would be limited to necessary life-saving situations rather than what we have now.

These same Left-wingers who refuse to consider a "basic human Right" in the case of this fully formed fetus, (complete with fingernails and fingerprints), can clearly see the Rights of the MAster-Mind of 911.

Go figure

If it weren't for the fanatical right - we would be able to condemn this man's murder, move on and this thread wouldn't take up 10+ pages.

Instead we get pages of garbage of people trying to justify the murder (though not explicitly saying so) on the basis that they didn't like what the victim did for a living.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

Who said he was a Nazi? I said Nazi-like.

It's still factually incorrect and intellectually lazy.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

Who said he was a Nazi? I said Nazi-like.

Ah - that makes a huge difference to the meaning.

Not.

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

I'm pro-abortion. Not pro-choice and certainly not pro-life.

Let's see how THAT plays out...

that's it, surrender your timbits right now.