Should We Waterboard the Christian Fascist Terrorist Who Assassinated Dr. Tiller?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Do you find late stage abortion wrong?

Except when there are significant physical/developmental defects - yes.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Sorry I am late to the party here but did anyone offer what the waterboarding would hope to gain?

Whats interesting is the more I learn about this Doctor the less regret I seem to have that he no longer has a pulse.

There were ample reports this guy even killed fetuses that survived and were living outside the womb.

Call it any legal definition you want but I believe every friend of abortion should have to watch people like this "practice medicine".

With all these names like Fascist and terrorist being thrown around, we might have to honestly need to incorporate Nazi like terms to refer to this Doctor.

So the question is: it is ever ok for Christians to become a terrorist to hinder Nazi-like doctors which this guy clearly was.

One report this morning stated he had performed 60,000 abortions. (does he take a lunch break?)

He's a nazi because he performs a medical procedure that you don't agree with? Real sharp analysis there

a medical procedure, hmm is that all it is

Uhm

Whatever you want to call it - it doesn't make him a Nazi.

The comparison to the Nazi was the taking of lives, to call it just a medical procedure ignores the immoral act of late stage abortion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's nothing inherently "immoral" about late stage abortion - It depends very much on the individual circumstances.

Using emotionally loaded terminology really only opens you up to the accusation that your objection to it is rooted in emotion (the same accusation that is constantly aimed at liberals).

Taking lives doesn't make a person a "Nazi" either. Nazism is an ideology that puts State over the individual (usually with a focus on race).

Edited June 2, 2009 by Private Pike

[_Simpson_ 250]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Do you find late stage abortion wrong?

Except when there are significant physical/developmental defects - yes.

So you find it wrong(with the exception) but dont feel any need to do anything about it or as you said shouting from the rooftops?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Do you find late stage abortion wrong?

Except when there are significant physical/developmental defects - yes.

So you find it wrong(with the exception) but dont feel any need to do anything about it or as you said shouting from the rooftops?

That's what I said. You don't really need to ask the question - I was perfectly clear.

$hit happens. You can't fix everything that's wrong in the world - and this is a small issue at the end of the day.

[_Simpson_ 250]

There's nothing inherently "immoral" about late stage abortion - It depends very much on the individual circumstances.

Using emotionally loaded terminology really only opens you up to the accusation that your objection to it is rooted in emotion (the same accusation that is constantly aimed at liberals).

And this sort of semantics technique takes away from the issue here, often something liberals are also accused of.

Webster - conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles

Princton - deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong

Most of society doesnt find this act moral. Quit playing games, if its wrong we need to do something about it and not just stand around.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's nothing inherently "immoral" about late stage abortion - It depends very much on the individual circumstances.

Using emotionally loaded terminology really only opens you up to the accusation that your objection to it is rooted in emotion (the same accusation that is constantly aimed at liberals).

And this sort of semantics technique takes away from the issue here, often something liberals are also accused of.

Webster - conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles

Princton - deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong

Most of society doesnt find this act moral. Quit playing games, if its wrong we need to do something about it and not just stand around.

So you speak for "most of society" do you? Who knew...

I think the man getting shot was wrong too - but I'm not going to turn activist about that either.

$hit happens as I said. If you're going to take up arms over everything that is wrong or "immoral" in the world - you're going to have a very short and very crappy life.

[_Simpson_ 250]

If the law doesn't recognise the human rights of the unborn at that stage of development (and I'm not exactly sure that's the case) then it (still) isn't murder.

Personally, I don't agree with late stage abortion - and I don't think it should be legal to terminate a pregancy where the baby can survive on its own.

It is a murky issue - because the nature of the terminology is inherently subjective and given that you can be charged with "murder" for killing a child in the womb under some circumstances.

A good example of liberalism selling its soul.

Instead of follwing your convictions you follow what the goverment tells you. Stand up straight and fight for what you believe!!

Come again? How does the bolded part lead you to that conclusion?

I believe that late stage abortion account for a very (very) small minority of the procedures that are carried out. It just isn't that big of an issue to start shouting from the rooftops.

That said - I am pro-choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Do you find late stage abortion wrong?

Except when there are significant physical/developmental defects - yes.

So you find it wrong(with the exception) but dont feel any need to do anything about it or as you said shouting from the rooftops?

That's what I said. You don't really need to ask the question - I was perfectly clear.

$hit happens. You can't fix everything that's wrong in the world - and this is a small issue at the end of the day.

The numbers are small but the issue is huge and will never go away until we right this wrong.

[mawilson 2,133]

There's nothing inherently "immoral" about late stage abortion - It depends very much on the individual circumstances.

You're kidding, right?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its not a "huge" issue. You only think it is.

[almaty 19]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's nothing inherently "immoral" about late stage abortion - It depends very much on the individual circumstances.

You're kidding, right?

No I'm not kidding. You just haven't thought it through.

[_Simpson_ 250]

So you speak for "most of society" do you? Who knew...

I think the man getting shot was wrong too - but I'm not going to turn activist about that either.

$hit happens as I said. If you're going to take up arms over everything that is wrong or "immoral" in the world - you're going to have a very short and very crappy life.

Your playing games again, I dont think we need to take a poll to find out that most of us find it wrong. Its a given.

I never asked you too take up arms, were this began with is when you took issue with me about using the word immoral and thats what I was addressing, you tried to write me off as being emotional.

Edited June 2, 2009 by looking_up

[_Simpson_ 250]

Its not a "huge" issue. You only think it is.

I disagree

[Chica Yeyé 41]

this is a pure case of law...the killer of dr tiller is a murderer by federal and state legal system./....dr tiller was not.,

no surprise, those who scream against illegals for violating american laws are quick to try and pin the blame on the victim in this crime

almaty, you are the man.