Should VisaJourney help everyone???

[sugarcane 0]

Mark... buddy... take a pill before you have an aneurysm!!!

[MarkTexas 3]

Mark... buddy... take a pill before you have an aneurysm!!!

Naaaaah Thanks but no thanks.

No needs for “pills” mate!

It’s always the SAME people taking “apart” someone’s post and / or read something into it, and then backfire it!!!

I guess those (known) people have NOTHING else better to do all day and every day, then just try to PISS people off.

Their probably on-VJ-line 24/7,…I kinda feel “sorry” for those people!

SAD, SAD, SAD,……DAMN,....what a way, to kill every single day,……

Think those people are just too SAD for words!

I bet ya,….that THIS^^^^^^^^^^^comment / reply will release a whole NEW “attack”! LOL!

From EXACTLY those People who basically LIVE on this forum, and can't stand THE TRUTH!

~Mark

[Welshcookie 17]

oh I feel so insulted......

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

having said that I am a BIG MOUTH!! will I NOT help them LIE and CHEAT the system NOPE.

having said that VJ postings are also used for historical perposes.

dayum right shon

helping anyone commit fraud will damage all of the honest ones. it's like peeing on an electric fence - don't do it!

Charles-I think YOU know he was NOT saying "help" anyone commit fraud!

-I think you are just enjoying the chance to jump on the bandwagon from an old grudge you have.

No matter.

huh? an old grudge with who? fill me in on that as i'm lost on who i'm supposed to have a grudge with.

[Lizzy 0]

That's not what I asked tho....would YOU help someone out with the process if you felt it might be visa fraud on their part?

It would depend if i knew for SURE that was what was happening, the thing is you never can know for SURE!

I would never condone visa fraud, especially as i had to do it the hard way!

[Fandango 1,440]

Well, I want to respond to that, but then I'll let this topic lie as far as us. I have no more a desire to get into it all again, than you do to read it again. Plus, Craig's trip to England has resolved a LOT of things, and we're doing just great. We both felt, at different times, with Craig starting that thread in fact that we just wanted to vent. I don't remember even soliciting advice either, it just happened, as it will on any thread like that. Neither of us had a problem with it, so why should anyone else, ya know? IMO, people can start threads about whatever they wish; people can read it or not. If it was something iffy I was wondering about 'airing' I always asked Craig if he minded first, so it really wasn't a biggie. I just used it as a place to let off steam, and also talk about the good moments. In retrospect, yes, it was a mistake. I don't believe that because of what I wrote however, I believe that because I got advice I *wasn't seeking and didn't take it well. Just as I said, I have a right to post whatever I wish, so do you have a right to respond however you wish and I admittedly wasn't prepared for some of the responses. People get a bit too hasty and judgemental at times as well tho. (as in some of the ridiculous remarks like 'is he even THERE anymore, and did you really do this or do that, where's a current pic of you??etc") As I said, I won't bring it up again, just wanted to say that in response to your post. Carry on with the topic... M.

As an aside, that's exactly what you just did, fwiw

Thank you all for your answers guys

I meant in THIS thread Lisa. I didn't realize I was barred from talking about my relationship forEVER same as you or anyone else do. Ah, well. *SHRUG* Guess I'll continue to do what I please, but I really wish you would stop picking apart my posts, looking for what, I don't know!?

You seem to get so defensive anytime the slightest thing is mentioned...and that's what I have trouble with. Maybe ppl were alluding to you when they said they don't understand why people air their 411, maybe not..who knows? I dunno. No one singled you out here Michelle. But you took it upon yourself to explain yet AGAIN why you chose to do it. But ust as you feel the need to do what you do - there are others who don't understand it. It's not for them to understand it, but it's not for you to have to explain it at every oppty. If you really want to not talk about it again (re: the Immig Nightmare thread and all that ensued) then DON'T.

Novel concept, I know!

Sall I'm sayin...take it or leave it....if you're happy with posting it, why be so damn defensive? And yet you air all your information, yet take the huff when ppl speak frankly about it. You shouldn't expect to have it both ways, hon.

I don't care if you make 50 gazillion threads about it. I really don't. But you seem to not be able to hanlde the sllightest bit of negativity ie- someone disagreeing with you. People will, people won't...just accept that, and you'll be much happier in the long run.

If you want to continue this, start another thread. I'd rather not do it via pm as the LAST time I tried to straighten summat out with you via messenger, you played the victime yet again & said summat on here like I was 'harrassing' you. So yeah, no more pvt convos for us for the time being. The thing that you don't understand is that personally I have nothing against you & I thought we were sort of friends. It's jsut that I cannot blow sunshine up your booty anymore...too tiring...so I suppose I became the 'evil LIsa', so whatever. But yeah, make another thread about it so we can beat things to death yet one more time, that'd be fun.

[babybunny 2]

Well, I want to respond to that, but then I'll let this topic lie as far as us. I have no more a desire to get into it all again, than you do to read it again. Plus, Craig's trip to England has resolved a LOT of things, and we're doing just great. We both felt, at different times, with Craig starting that thread in fact that we just wanted to vent. I don't remember even soliciting advice either, it just happened, as it will on any thread like that. Neither of us had a problem with it, so why should anyone else, ya know? IMO, people can start threads about whatever they wish; people can read it or not. If it was something iffy I was wondering about 'airing' I always asked Craig if he minded first, so it really wasn't a biggie. I just used it as a place to let off steam, and also talk about the good moments. In retrospect, yes, it was a mistake. I don't believe that because of what I wrote however, I believe that because I got advice I *wasn't seeking and didn't take it well. Just as I said, I have a right to post whatever I wish, so do you have a right to respond however you wish and I admittedly wasn't prepared for some of the responses. People get a bit too hasty and judgemental at times as well tho. (as in some of the ridiculous remarks like 'is he even THERE anymore, and did you really do this or do that, where's a current pic of you??etc") As I said, I won't bring it up again, just wanted to say that in response to your post. Carry on with the topic... M.

As an aside, that's exactly what you just did, fwiw

Thank you all for your answers guys

I meant in THIS thread Lisa. I didn't realize I was barred from talking about my relationship forEVER same as you or anyone else do. Ah, well. *SHRUG* Guess I'll continue to do what I please, but I really wish you would stop picking apart my posts, looking for what, I don't know!?

You seem to get so defensive anytime the slightest thing is mentioned...and that's what I have trouble with. Maybe ppl were alluding to you when they said they don't understand why people air their 411, maybe not..who knows? I dunno. No one singled you out here Michelle. But you took it upon yourself to explain yet AGAIN why you chose to do it. But ust as you feel the need to do what you do - there are others who don't understand it. It's not for them to understand it, but it's not for you to have to explain it at every oppty. If you really want to not talk about it again (re: the Immig Nightmare thread and all that ensued) then DON'T.

Novel concept, I know!

Sall I'm sayin...take it or leave it....if you're happy with posting it, why be so damn defensive? And yet you air all your information, yet take the huff when ppl speak frankly about it. You shouldn't expect to have it both ways, hon.

I don't care if you make 50 gazillion threads about it. I really don't. But you seem to not be able to hanlde the sllightest bit of negativity ie- someone disagreeing with you. People will, people won't...just accept that, and you'll be much happier in the long run.

If you want to continue this, start another thread. I'd rather not do it via pm as the LAST time I tried to straighten summat out with you via messenger, you played the victime yet again & said summat on here like I was 'harrassing' you. So yeah, no more pvt convos for us for the time being. The thing that you don't understand is that personally I have nothing against you & I thought we were sort of friends. It's jsut that I cannot blow sunshine up your booty anymore...too tiring...so I suppose I became the 'evil LIsa', so whatever. But yeah, make another thread about it so we can beat things to death yet one more time, that'd be fun.

I knew when I clicked on LISAD. It would be a juicy posting.

[meauxna 15]

I second THAT Slim! Plus, some people have problems for a while, and come out the other side just fine...like my own relationship. People should be given the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve that IMO; it's too quick with the judge and jury around here, and most other message boards you see it happening to people as well. Anyway, just piggybacking off Slim's comment...so on dispensing advice or not. M.

I guess you felt differently, but I'm not airing my dirty laundry here. If I'm having trouble filing out a form or obtaining a document I would ask for help here. Problems at home should stay at home or at least be PMed.

Hear, hear (as usual) mdyoung. Interesting to note that we are among some of the longest-marrieds here.

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

I second THAT Slim! Plus, some people have problems for a while, and come out the other side just fine...like my own relationship. People should be given the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve that IMO; it's too quick with the judge and jury around here, and most other message boards you see it happening to people as well. Anyway, just piggybacking off Slim's comment...so on dispensing advice or not. M.

I guess you felt differently, but I'm not airing my dirty laundry here. If I'm having trouble filing out a form or obtaining a document I would ask for help here. Problems at home should stay at home or at least be PMed.

Hear, hear (as usual) mdyoung. Interesting to note that we are among some of the longest-marrieds here.

you're married to mdyoung?

[meauxna 15]

Right...we ourselves were told on the misinformation line before we ever discovered VJ "OH..he's here NOW???Well, just get married then and blah blah" Well, I guess technically that wouldn't have been fraud as it was a two-week visit scheduled initially...and he didn't enter the POE intending to stay..which is the important factor there; we didn't want to take any risks tho.

I have seen people post,however, and say...we're thinking about having her come here and just staying on VW and adjust from that..etc etc. I have been known to post and say "that's visa fraud, so I wouldn't recommend it" etc. but that's about as far as I go. Consistent with what I wrote above in that it's *obvious* fraud, but in that case I did post on the off chance they were new to VJ and didn't realize,and were just asking if that was 'ok' to do. M.

Your post doesn't at all make it obvious that you know what 'fraud' is in this context. In your first example, it would've been fine to adjust status. In the second example, it's not really ours to make a recommendation or not, but it is a good idea to tell people that it's illegal to plan ahead to do it that way.

Advice for people already in the US is/should be different for people not yet in the US.

[Fandango 1,440]

I second THAT Slim! Plus, some people have problems for a while, and come out the other side just fine...like my own relationship. People should be given the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve that IMO; it's too quick with the judge and jury around here, and most other message boards you see it happening to people as well. Anyway, just piggybacking off Slim's comment...so on dispensing advice or not. M.

I guess you felt differently, but I'm not airing my dirty laundry here. If I'm having trouble filing out a form or obtaining a document I would ask for help here. Problems at home should stay at home or at least be PMed.

Hear, hear (as usual) mdyoung. Interesting to note that we are among some of the longest-marrieds here.

you're married to mdyoung?

I'm gathering that she meant they are married the longest, but to different people

[diadromous mermaid 36]

...People should be given the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve that IMO; it's too quick with the judge and jury around here, and most other message boards you see it happening to people as well.

While this is true with regard to members speculating on the stability or veracity of relationships, it's true also with regard to many things, including conclusions that individuals have a "clean case", have a "messy case" and that people are being critical of others, as well.

Michelle, I'm glad you feel like you came out the other side in good shape, and I certainly hope it sustains, but it's only been a couple of weeks. Certainly too soon to consider it conclusive, in my opinion.

Tuppence offered.

Now, I'm going to resume my typical unopinionated factoid regurgitory stance, which while it may not win me any popularity points, suits me just fine

[Neja 0]

oh boy. This thread is interesting. Obviously if someone comes onto this forum asking for direct help about how to fraud the system I don't think they will get very much advice out of anyone here. And it is a clear violation of the forum rules and policies to offer assistance with fraudulent and illegal activities. But what exactly is suspected fraud? How can you really tell if someone is trying to fraud the system or if they are genuinely asking for advice on the best plan of action for a particular situation? I don't think we are here to judge or make the decision on whose legal or not, that's up to DHS (as previous posters have stated).

[gimygirl 0]

Well, I want to respond to that, but then I'll let this topic lie as far as us. I have no more a desire to get into it all again, than you do to read it again. Plus, Craig's trip to England has resolved a LOT of things, and we're doing just great. We both felt, at different times, with Craig starting that thread in fact that we just wanted to vent. I don't remember even soliciting advice either, it just happened, as it will on any thread like that. Neither of us had a problem with it, so why should anyone else, ya know? IMO, people can start threads about whatever they wish; people can read it or not. If it was something iffy I was wondering about 'airing' I always asked Craig if he minded first, so it really wasn't a biggie. I just used it as a place to let off steam, and also talk about the good moments. In retrospect, yes, it was a mistake. I don't believe that because of what I wrote however, I believe that because I got advice I *wasn't seeking and didn't take it well. Just as I said, I have a right to post whatever I wish, so do you have a right to respond however you wish and I admittedly wasn't prepared for some of the responses. People get a bit too hasty and judgemental at times as well tho. (as in some of the ridiculous remarks like 'is he even THERE anymore, and did you really do this or do that, where's a current pic of you??etc") As I said, I won't bring it up again, just wanted to say that in response to your post. Carry on with the topic... M.

As an aside, that's exactly what you just did, fwiw

Thank you all for your answers guys

I meant in THIS thread Lisa. I didn't realize I was barred from talking about my relationship forEVER same as you or anyone else do. Ah, well. *SHRUG* Guess I'll continue to do what I please, but I really wish you would stop picking apart my posts, looking for what, I don't know!?

You seem to get so defensive anytime the slightest thing is mentioned...and that's what I have trouble with. Maybe ppl were alluding to you when they said they don't understand why people air their 411, maybe not..who knows? I dunno. No one singled you out here Michelle. But you took it upon yourself to explain yet AGAIN why you chose to do it. But ust as you feel the need to do what you do - there are others who don't understand it. It's not for them to understand it, but it's not for you to have to explain it at every oppty. If you really want to not talk about it again (re: the Immig Nightmare thread and all that ensued) then DON'T.

Novel concept, I know!

Sall I'm sayin...take it or leave it....if you're happy with posting it, why be so damn defensive? And yet you air all your information, yet take the huff when ppl speak frankly about it. You shouldn't expect to have it both ways, hon.

I don't care if you make 50 gazillion threads about it. I really don't. But you seem to not be able to hanlde the sllightest bit of negativity ie- someone disagreeing with you. People will, people won't...just accept that, and you'll be much happier in the long run.

If you want to continue this, start another thread. I'd rather not do it via pm as the LAST time I tried to straighten summat out with you via messenger, you played the victime yet again & said summat on here like I was 'harrassing' you. So yeah, no more pvt convos for us for the time being. The thing that you don't understand is that personally I have nothing against you & I thought we were sort of friends. It's jsut that I cannot blow sunshine up your booty anymore...too tiring...so I suppose I became the 'evil LIsa', so whatever. But yeah, make another thread about it so we can beat things to death yet one more time, that'd be fun.

[Neja 0]

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