Did you consider living in Russia?

[Cixelsyd 1]

So now the fiery comments and drama breaks out. You guys couldn't have done this when I was bored to tears and waiting for the future Mrs. to come here. Nope, NOW you have to make these forums fun to read. I'm so disappointed...

They don't hate the USA society...they love it. They just don't like our government polices.

It goes hand in hand. The media caters to the populous and if you take note of media from around the world, it's fashionable to nail the U.S. any chance they get. In fact, even though Britain sides with us almost all the time politically, the loyal subjects still tend to look down on us and our crazy ways. Although maybe hate is a strong word, many of the countries just don't approve of our social structure.

Also if you're going to dredge up countries that were hated the most in the past, you would have to bring up Germany and Italy as well; but that's not any more relevant to this conversation than the history of the Soviet Union. We're needlessly debating the now.

[mox 298]

f-off Mox.

Oh dear dear dear. I guess this is the part where I'm supposed to call in a moderator for "personal attacks" and ask for the thread to be shut down.

You are so wishy washy, if someone says Russia is good, you point out how bad & evil it can be. Afterall you are the almighty expert. If they say how Russia is bad, you all of the sudden have a hundred arguments why its the best place on earth.

Well christ, KoratGiGii. How else am I gonna stir the ####### around here? You think I'm gonna hook intellectual midget cross-dressers like yourself by being consistent? Hey someone grab the net and hold my beer, I've got a live one here!

Regardless if it covers 1/6th of the earth or not,

Um...it does actually. Cover 1/6 of the earth's landmass, I mean. That point's not actually debatable. Read a book.

you aren't there, you dont live it, and you have no one from Russia to share a life with and compare the topics discussed here. So continue on in your fantasy, your doing swell.

This carefully crafted bit of research would be based on what exactly?

[mox 298]

I don't know if more people are trying to make these places their homes than the US

Yes, you do know. And you know the answer is "no."

Actually, I really don't know. I don't know the numbers, but I do know that the countries I mentioned are pretty desirous places to live.

1,107,126 immigrants were granted permanent legal residence into the United States last year.

The nations you mentioned? Maybe about 45,000.

The USA received more than 6.4 million applications for the 50,000 available spots in the annual Diversity Visa program (aka Green Card Lottery) last year.

I'm not necessarily disputing these numbers, but could you please cite a source for these numbers, especially the 45,000 number? After your previous post I googled around to see if I could find immigration numbers and top destinations, and didn't come up with anything. If you've got a source for these numbers, I'd be interested in reading it. (and I know I'm a snarky assh*le, but I'm being genuine in this request; I really am curious.)

Please don't tell me you believe the likes of New Zealand and Norway have numbers like that knocking on their door trying to get in.

As I said, I just don't know what the numbers are. I have an American friend who tried to immigrate to New Zealand about 5 years ago, and he found the entire process incredibly daunting. According to him, there are SO many people trying to get to New Zealand that they turn away all but the most highly skilled people. My friend is an electrical engineer and was ultimately turned down. So I've gotta think that if New Zealand is turning down electrical engineers, they've got a helluva sizable pool to choose from.

[eekee 182]

I don't know if more people are trying to make these places their homes than the US

Yes, you do know. And you know the answer is "no."

Actually, I really don't know. I don't know the numbers, but I do know that the countries I mentioned are pretty desirous places to live.

1,107,126 immigrants were granted permanent legal residence into the United States last year.

The nations you mentioned? Maybe about 45,000.

The USA received more than 6.4 million applications for the 50,000 available spots in the annual Diversity Visa program (aka Green Card Lottery) last year.

I'm not necessarily disputing these numbers, but could you please cite a source for these numbers, especially the 45,000 number? After your previous post I googled around to see if I could find immigration numbers and top destinations, and didn't come up with anything. If you've got a source for these numbers, I'd be interested in reading it. (and I know I'm a snarky assh*le, but I'm being genuine in this request; I really am curious.)

Please don't tell me you believe the likes of New Zealand and Norway have numbers like that knocking on their door trying to get in.

As I said, I just don't know what the numbers are. I have an American friend who tried to immigrate to New Zealand about 5 years ago, and he found the entire process incredibly daunting. According to him, there are SO many people trying to get to New Zealand that they turn away all but the most highly skilled people. My friend is an electrical engineer and was ultimately turned down. So I've gotta think that if New Zealand is turning down electrical engineers, they've got a helluva sizable pool to choose from.

Then why are there all these PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO NEW ZEALAND WE NEED PEOPLE ads all over my facebook? They don't turn down all but the most highly skilled--they select workers according to need. If they have enough electrical engineers, they don't bring any new ones over. They might choose an animal husbandry specialist instead, because that's what they need.

[slim 1,530]

I can't recall how many times I just said, "Oh, snap!" but it was more than a few. I think I'll just sit back and read for a while, I don't get the chance to do that very often.

What really surprises me though is how this has turned into a Russia vs. USA debate and there's almost no reference to guns ("they'd have to legalize gun ownership" - only one post about guns!) and/or pie (not a single reference yet!) and the only thing even closely resembling male chauvinism has been pointing out that women aren't afforded the same legal rights to work jobs they're not qualified to do as they are here in the U.S. - Ah, is this the VJ Russia forum or are we all the sudden in the Off Topic area?

[K1researcher 0]

that was me slim ;-) and I want to live on a farm near a city in russia ... so believe that i will be armed :-) legal or not

I have data supporting some of whats said in here, but its far more fun to watch :-)

[mox 298]

Then why are there all these PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO NEW ZEALAND WE NEED PEOPLE ads all over my facebook? They don't turn down all but the most highly skilled--they select workers according to need. If they have enough electrical engineers, they don't bring any new ones over. They might choose an animal husbandry specialist instead, because that's what they need.

Same reason you see billboards all over St.P and Moscow saying PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES.

-or-

Facebook has determined that you tend to surf New Zealand immigrant porn, and have tailored their advertisements towards your particular kink.

[mox 298]

I can't recall how many times I just said, "Oh, snap!" but it was more than a few. I think I'll just sit back and read for a while, I don't get the chance to do that very often.

What really surprises me though is how this has turned into a Russia vs. USA debate and there's almost no reference to guns ("they'd have to legalize gun ownership" - only one post about guns!) and/or pie (not a single reference yet!) and the only thing even closely resembling male chauvinism has been pointing out that women aren't afforded the same legal rights to work jobs they're not qualified to do as they are here in the U.S. - Ah, is this the VJ Russia forum or are we all the sudden in the Off Topic area?

Dammit Slim, you need to be patient. I'm working on turning this into a "Russian guns vs USA pie vs Middle East slave boys vs old dudes with 12 year-old Philippine chicks" debate, but you can't just rush these things.

[sivad 0]

Then why are there all these PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO NEW ZEALAND WE NEED PEOPLE ads all over my facebook? They don't turn down all but the most highly skilled--they select workers according to need. If they have enough electrical engineers, they don't bring any new ones over. They might choose an animal husbandry specialist instead, because that's what they need.

Same reason you see billboards all over St.P and Moscow saying PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES.

-or-

Facebook has determined that you tend to surf New Zealand immigrant porn, and have tailored their advertisements towards your particular kink.

new zealand immigrant porn......do they have celery down there????????

[mox 298]

New Zealand: Where the men are men, and the celery are scared!

[SMR 368]

I lived in Russia for two years before getting engaged and my wife and I really are considering moving there in a couple of years. Russia is an adventure. America is kind of boring sometimes.

In some ways, Russia is more free than America. True, in Russia you can't protest on the streets without permission. I gained a lot of respect for Russia when I realized that they let people starve and freeze to death. That is a kind of freedom that you will never find in America and I mean that seriously. Because the other side of that coin is, in Russia they let you let people starve and freeze to death. I'm not saying I don't try to help people or that I like watching people die. But I also don't like the fact that in America success is taxed so highly in order to limit failure.

[eekee 182]

Then why are there all these PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO NEW ZEALAND WE NEED PEOPLE ads all over my facebook? They don't turn down all but the most highly skilled--they select workers according to need. If they have enough electrical engineers, they don't bring any new ones over. They might choose an animal husbandry specialist instead, because that's what they need.

Same reason you see billboards all over St.P and Moscow saying PLEASE IMMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES.

-or-

Facebook has determined that you tend to surf New Zealand immigrant porn, and have tailored their advertisements towards your particular kink.

There's a difference between American Immigration ads and New Zealand ones. American ads are for the Green Card Lottery and stuff like that. The New Zealand ones take you to a website with a list of needed professions that New Zealand currently lacks and that they are seeking skilled professionals from abroad to fill. I don't think America is really lacking for immigrants.

[sivad 0]

I lived in Russia for two years before getting engaged and my wife and I really are considering moving there in a couple of years. Russia is an adventure. America is kind of boring sometimes.

In some ways, Russia is more free than America. True, in Russia you can't protest on the streets without permission. I gained a lot of respect for Russia when I realized that they let people starve and freeze to death. That is a kind of freedom that you will never find in America and I mean that seriously. Because the other side of that coin is, in Russia they let you let people starve and freeze to death. I'm not saying I don't try to help people or that I like watching people die. But I also don't like the fact that in America success is taxed so highly in order to limit failure.

don't forget getting chemicals thrown into your face for running for mayor,and getting thrown out of a 4rth story window for writing a news story about the goverment,oh....and the state department says stay away from the caucus region.americans disappear there.

[johnj 0]

...and the state department says stay away from the caucus region.americans disappear there.

OOOPS, does that include Sochi, heading there end of next week.

No worries Matey, who would care if I disappeared

[sivad 0]

...and the state department says stay away from the caucus region.americans disappear there.

OOOPS, does that include Sochi, heading there end of next week.

No worries Matey, who would care if I disappeared

from what i understand sochi is cool,i think they where politely saying avoid the chechnya area.and enjoy,i want to go there myself.