Comrade Barack

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

Yes - lets just accept that liberalism is the worst evil in the world You love your ideological garbage don't you Danno?

Lets be honest here - Obama isn't going to be able to nationalise the healthcare industry in his term of office - it just isn't going to happen. The economic realities of the moment completely preclude it.

[alienlovechild 75]

Pravda once was the primary newspaper of the State in the former Soviet Union. I wouldn't expect AlienLoveChild to know much about the Russian press and find it conceivable that he is lost somewhere in the past.

I knew Pravda's reputation probably before you. It's pretty obvious the article wasn't that serious as it from a extreme Russian viewpoint but as usual the same leftists who had little problem with communism can't tell the difference.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Pravda once was the primary newspaper of the State in the former Soviet Union. I wouldn't expect AlienLoveChild to know much about the Russian press and find it conceivable that he is lost somewhere in the past.

I knew Pravda's reputation probably before you. It's pretty obvious the article wasn't that serious as it from a extreme Russian viewpoint but as usual the same leftists who had little problem with communism can't tell the difference.

How can you possibly extrapolate people's opinions on a completely different subject?

[alienlovechild 75]

How can you possibly extrapolate people's opinions on a completely different subject?

The same way you can somehow make statements without reference to anything in particular. What are you talking about? Which opinion? What subject?

[mRx 16]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

Yes - lets just accept that liberalism is the worst evil in the world You love your ideological garbage don't you Danno?

Lets be honest here - Obama isn't going to be able to nationalise the healthcare industry in his term of office - it just isn't going to happen. The economic realities of the moment completely preclude it.

That doesn't negate the fact that steps are being taken in progression towards such a reality. It's a textbook Menshevikean approach.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How can you possibly extrapolate people's opinions on a completely different subject?

The same way you can somehow make statements without reference to anything in particular. What are you talking about? Which opinion? What subject?

The "same leftists" who "had little problem with communism"?

[alienlovechild 75]

The "same leftists" who "had little problem with communism"?

I got tired of lectures about Soviet Russia from the left when they weren't very hard on the Soviets. Even now you'll see posters here thinking hammers and sickles on cartoon characters is cute.

Still can't get these buffoons to see my views don't always reflect the articles I post. Lots of people put things here for shock value which they don't advocate. Hard to believe this thread had "legs" anyway.

[Danno 1,228]

How can you possibly extrapolate people's opinions on a completely different subject?

The same way you can somehow make statements without reference to anything in particular. What are you talking about? Which opinion? What subject?

The "same leftists" who "had little problem with communism"?

Are you going to try to deny the lefts fondness for the over all ideas of Communism?

Oh Jeez Pike....

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How can you possibly extrapolate people's opinions on a completely different subject?

The same way you can somehow make statements without reference to anything in particular. What are you talking about? Which opinion? What subject?

The "same leftists" who "had little problem with communism"?

Are you going to try to deny the lefts fondness for the over all ideas of Communism?

Oh Jeez Pike....

Oh Jeez Danno - get much excitement in your life?

It never ceases to amaze me how people here insist on ascribing stereotyped caricatures to people they disagree with.

This is a bullsh!t forum for political debate - but then... that isn't why a lot of us are here is it.

Edited August 9, 2009 by Private Pike

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

[Danno 1,228]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

Straight from the Horses mouth.

Wake up Pike!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

Straight from the Horses mouth.

Wake up Pike!

Single payer health care insurance is not the same as a nationalized health care system. Familiarize yourself with the difference between the two concepts and recognize that within the Western world, there's only one country - the UK - that has nationalized health care. No other country has pursued this route and there is no one in the US favoring this approach. Which makes all the pointing to the issues which the NHS faces quite irrelevant.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

Straight from the Horses mouth.

Wake up Pike!

Single payer health care insurance is not the same as a nationalized health care system. Familiarize yourself with the difference between the two concepts and recognize that within the Western world, there's only one country - the UK - that has nationalized health care. No other country has pursued this route and there is no one in the US favoring this approach. Which makes all the pointing to the issues which the NHS faces quite irrelevant.

It would be difficult to administer single-payer healthcare without effectively nationalizing the countriy's healthcare system. In effect, under single payer, the government is setting the price they will pay to private contractors, whether they are community providers, corporate providers, or individual providers. In essence, the government cuts the check, not the insurance companies, or the patient. Is that one issue for cost savings, to take profit out of the system?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If Obama was as far left as people were saying he'd have been pushing for a total nationalisation of the healthcare system. As it is, he isn't.

Do you actually believe that Obamer wouldn't set that as his objective if he thought it would pass?

(PLease answer that)

Must we post the clips with him clearly stating he wants a national system?

Liberalisms M.O. is, incremental steps.

Clinton tried the "Big-step" approach to healthcare and was roundly shot down.

Straight from the Horses mouth.

Wake up Pike!

Single payer health care insurance is not the same as a nationalized health care system. Familiarize yourself with the difference between the two concepts and recognize that within the Western world, there's only one country - the UK - that has nationalized health care. No other country has pursued this route and there is no one in the US favoring this approach. Which makes all the pointing to the issues which the NHS faces quite irrelevant.

Yep.

[DEDixon 39]

Single payer health care insurance is not the same as a nationalized health care system. Familiarize yourself with the difference between the two concepts and recognize that within the Western world, there's only one country - the UK - that has nationalized health care. No other country has pursued this route and there is no one in the US favoring this approach. Which makes all the pointing to the issues which the NHS faces quite irrelevant.

Universal health care is health care coverage for all eligible residents of a political region and often covers medical, dental and mental health care. These programs vary in their structure and funding mechanisms. Typically, costs are born, at least in part, by the government. Implementations vary, ranging from single-payer health care systems (e.g. as in Canada or the U.K.), to compulsory, regulated, multi-payer systems (as in France and Germany). Universal health care systems also vary according to the extent of government involvement in providing care, ranging from nationalized health care systems (such as the U.K. and Sweden) to decentralized private or non-profit institutions (as in Germany and Canada). Universal health care is implemented in all of the wealthy, industrialized countries, with the exception of the United States.[1] It is also provided in many developing countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

Obama, in the vid, mentioned "single payer." Please don't redefine or play the game of wordsmithing - Everyone knows what Obama meant.

Single payer, nationalized health care, universal health care are all basically the same. Arguing the minor differences is simply an effort to find an angle where you can claim Obama didn't mean what he really did mean.