Insights on why people 'snap' and kill

[Peikko 1,575]

I can't agree with that the idea that "fantasizing about killing leads to it." I'm sure that's the case for some individuals, but I can't imagine that's the norm.

I certainly fantasized about killing tons of classmates when I was in high school. I never did it because doing so would ruin my life, not to mention harm a lot of families in the process.

?

I have never fantasized about killing anyone. Of course the article does state that each particular behaviour does not necessarily lead anywhere, it's a combination of decisions. This is where I am having a problem with the knowledge of right from wrong too. You chose, apparantly not to kill your class mates, not from a sense of knowing that doing so was inherently a wrong thing to do, but because you thought the consequences of doing so outweighed the benefits. Personally, I find that absolutely strange and does not, to me show an understanding of right from wrong, merely knowing which side of the bread is better buttered.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Georgia is full of weirdos. What about that all white prom?

[Peikko 1,575]

Stupid VJ!

Edited May 27, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[almaty 19]

Stupid VJ!

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[Chica Yeyé 41]

My guess it means an exacerbated sense of entitlement and grandiosity. I know it's wrong, but I can do it because I am me sort of.

I think you nailed it, Sis.

I know I did.... I'm THAT fabulous

[Peikko 1,575]

It was interesting. I am a bit curious though what does he mean when he says that often criminals know the difference between right and wrong? "Criminals know right from wrong. In fact, some know the laws better than their lawyers do. But they believe that whatever they want to do at any given time is right for them. Their crimes require logic and self-control." What is meant by knowing 'right from wrong'? Does he simply mean in context of doing something knowing that it's illegal? Or in a broader sense of doing something, knowing that it is wrong from, say a 'the greater good of society' wrong point of view? I find this a bit confusing as they are not necessarily the same thing.

here is an example from real life...a criminal in my therapy session

criminal.." well, i was walking and looked into the window of this car..and saw a purse./..

dr. dean...so..

criminal..."well, i checked the door and it was unlocked...so i took it"

dr dean..why?

criminal: "hey, the ####### left her f##king purse in an unlocked car....and i took it to teach her a lesson..she only had a few dollars..and i did her a great favor...she should be thankful, cause maybe next time ..she have her whole pay there..and remember to lock her doors"

dr. dean: really?

criminal: "yeah, stupid people desrves it"

I can't agree with that the idea that "fantasizing about killing leads to it." I'm sure that's the case for some individuals, but I can't imagine that's the norm.

I certainly fantasized about killing tons of classmates when I was in high school. I never did it because doing so would ruin my life, not to mention harm a lot of families in the process.

his point is that if you are antisocial personality disorder..not the general population, at large

Which does not seem to portray an understanding of right from what is wrong. In his mind it becomes right because the door is unlocked and such carelessness deserves punishment, and he is the vehicle of the punishment. That's not a fundamental understanding that that purse does not belong to him, and therefore, no matter where it is found, it can not suddenly, for any reason become his to do what he likes with.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[DeadPoolX 9]

I can't agree with that the idea that "fantasizing about killing leads to it." I'm sure that's the case for some individuals, but I can't imagine that's the norm.

I certainly fantasized about killing tons of classmates when I was in high school. I never did it because doing so would ruin my life, not to mention harm a lot of families in the process.

?

I have never fantasized about killing anyone. Of course the article does state that each particular behaviour does not necessarily lead anywhere, it's a combination of decisions. This is where I am having a problem with the knowledge of right from wrong too. You chose, apparantly not to kill your class mates, not from a sense of knowing that doing so was inherently a wrong thing to do, but because you thought the consequences of doing so outweighed the benefits. Personally, I find that absolutely strange and does not, to me show an understanding of right from wrong, merely knowing which side of the bread is better buttered.

Well, here's the deal: these very same individuals psychologically, emotionally and physically tormented me from 1st Grade onward. If they could hurt me in some fashion, they did so (and apparently enjoyed it). I tried getting teachers to help, but they ignored the problem. It wasn't their responsibility or so I was told. Talking to those who were attacking me didn't do anything, either. In fact, it only made them attempt to hurt me in a more aggressive manner.

Eventually, I fought back using violence. Only after I made them bleed did they leave me alone. It was unfortunate that the situation couldn't have been resolved any other way, but bullies only understand violence.

Considering the circumstances, it's very easy to see what I wanted to kill them.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Captain Ewok flood control algorithm is taking effect. That is why you're lagging so much in your post.

[almaty 19]

sister purple..there is a knowledge that certain behaviors are wrong..but in a sense not looked at..as the world and the norms are relate only to them and not society as a whole..you are correct ..their value system is superficial and based on their needs, alone

[Peikko 1,575]

Probably.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I believe Dean on this one 100%. The rest of us just have amateur opinions on the subject - even if grounded on personal/family experience.

Now, y'all need to stfu or I will go psycho on you

[almaty 19]

nah..good insight from others..and is appreciated..sometimes one gets jaded and needs fresh views to spark some renewal...

[Peikko 1,575]

I can't agree with that the idea that "fantasizing about killing leads to it." I'm sure that's the case for some individuals, but I can't imagine that's the norm.

I certainly fantasized about killing tons of classmates when I was in high school. I never did it because doing so would ruin my life, not to mention harm a lot of families in the process.

?

I have never fantasized about killing anyone. Of course the article does state that each particular behaviour does not necessarily lead anywhere, it's a combination of decisions. This is where I am having a problem with the knowledge of right from wrong too. You chose, apparantly not to kill your class mates, not from a sense of knowing that doing so was inherently a wrong thing to do, but because you thought the consequences of doing so outweighed the benefits. Personally, I find that absolutely strange and does not, to me show an understanding of right from wrong, merely knowing which side of the bread is better buttered.

Well, here's the deal: these very same individuals psychologically, emotionally and physically tormented me from 1st Grade onward. If they could hurt me in some fashion, they did so (and apparently enjoyed it). I tried getting teachers to help, but they ignored the problem. It wasn't their responsibility or so I was told. Talking to those who were attacking me didn't do anything, either. In fact, it only made them attempt to hurt me in a more aggressive manner.

Eventually, I fought back using violence. Only after I made them bleed did they leave me alone. It was unfortunate that the situation couldn't have been resolved any other way, but bullies only understand violence.

Considering the circumstances, it's very easy to see what I wanted to kill them.

Surely a desire to kill as a result of your torments is a disproportionate response? Wishing to get back at, I can understand, but the desire to actually kill? Sorry, I still can't see into your mind set. There are all types of bullying by the way. Girls, bless their little hearts, can think of far, far worse tortures than physical pain.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I can't agree with that the idea that "fantasizing about killing leads to it." I'm sure that's the case for some individuals, but I can't imagine that's the norm.

I certainly fantasized about killing tons of classmates when I was in high school. I never did it because doing so would ruin my life, not to mention harm a lot of families in the process.

?

I have never fantasized about killing anyone. Of course the article does state that each particular behaviour does not necessarily lead anywhere, it's a combination of decisions. This is where I am having a problem with the knowledge of right from wrong too. You chose, apparantly not to kill your class mates, not from a sense of knowing that doing so was inherently a wrong thing to do, but because you thought the consequences of doing so outweighed the benefits. Personally, I find that absolutely strange and does not, to me show an understanding of right from wrong, merely knowing which side of the bread is better buttered.

Well, here's the deal: these very same individuals psychologically, emotionally and physically tormented me from 1st Grade onward. If they could hurt me in some fashion, they did so (and apparently enjoyed it). I tried getting teachers to help, but they ignored the problem. It wasn't their responsibility or so I was told. Talking to those who were attacking me didn't do anything, either. In fact, it only made them attempt to hurt me in a more aggressive manner.

Eventually, I fought back using violence. Only after I made them bleed did they leave me alone. It was unfortunate that the situation couldn't have been resolved any other way, but bullies only understand violence.

Considering the circumstances, it's very easy to see what I wanted to kill them.

Surely a desire to kill as a result of your torments is a disproportionate response? Wishing to get back at, I can understand, but the desire to actually kill? Sorry, I still can't see into your mind set. There are all types of bullying by the way. Girls, bless their little hearts, can think of far, far worse tortures than physical pain.

I said there were "psychological, emotional and physical attacks." So yes, more than physical bullying did occur.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't agree with that the idea that "fantasizing about killing leads to it." I'm sure that's the case for some individuals, but I can't imagine that's the norm.

I certainly fantasized about killing tons of classmates when I was in high school. I never did it because doing so would ruin my life, not to mention harm a lot of families in the process.

?

I have never fantasized about killing anyone. Of course the article does state that each particular behaviour does not necessarily lead anywhere, it's a combination of decisions. This is where I am having a problem with the knowledge of right from wrong too. You chose, apparantly not to kill your class mates, not from a sense of knowing that doing so was inherently a wrong thing to do, but because you thought the consequences of doing so outweighed the benefits. Personally, I find that absolutely strange and does not, to me show an understanding of right from wrong, merely knowing which side of the bread is better buttered.

Well, here's the deal: these very same individuals psychologically, emotionally and physically tormented me from 1st Grade onward. If they could hurt me in some fashion, they did so (and apparently enjoyed it). I tried getting teachers to help, but they ignored the problem. It wasn't their responsibility or so I was told. Talking to those who were attacking me didn't do anything, either. In fact, it only made them attempt to hurt me in a more aggressive manner.

Eventually, I fought back using violence. Only after I made them bleed did they leave me alone. It was unfortunate that the situation couldn't have been resolved any other way, but bullies only understand violence.

Considering the circumstances, it's very easy to see what I wanted to kill them.

Surely a desire to kill as a result of your torments is a disproportionate response? Wishing to get back at, I can understand, but the desire to actually kill? Sorry, I still can't see into your mind set. There are all types of bullying by the way. Girls, bless their little hearts, can think of far, far worse tortures than physical pain.

I don't see a problem with fantasising about this stuff - if fantasy is where it stays. Of course that's not really the same as getting to point where you're actively weighing up a cognitive decision with pros and cons (which is a stonesthrow away from acting on it).

I had similar thoughts during my childhood and adolescence but it was never became something that I actually considered as a practical, tangible thing to do. It was more like - "if I punch so-and-so in the face, what will happen?"

It wasn't in the sense of punishments and consequences that would be forthcoming - but exactly what would happen if I were to do it and how the dynamic of the classroom would change - with panic and hysteria.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Private Pike