Sotomayor to white firefighters - drop dead!

[panamania79 2]

Come on folks! She's not racist she's a minority

You are being sarcastic,aren't you ?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Come on folks! She's not racist she's a minority

You are being sarcastic,aren't you ?

I will leave it up yo you! Just remember minorities arent racist

[Niels Bohr 72]

A short history lesson from personal experience...

Back in the 80s when my family first arrived in the US, we lived in a community where there was not many Asians. Well, I remember growing up with children from school (blacks and whites) making fun of how I look, what I eat, and my culture. Sometimes they would pinch my legs during recess and my legs would get bruised up. My parents found out and put me in a school that is full of Cambodians. This prevented anymore abuse from the children. The teacher weren't protecting me either, they just let that abuse happen.

Within my neighborhood, the neighbors would throw eggs at my house, poke my dad's car tires, throw rocks at the windows. This happen monthly sometimes it cause damage, and sometimes it doesn't. I don't know if this was related to we being the minority, but, our house seems to be the only one being vandalized.

Being a minority is tough. There will be alot of ignorance towards them. But, if the minority group stand up for themselves and think in a positive way, they may make a difference in the community. I took that grudge that I have towards these people by making them stupid and myself smart. I took all the Honors, Advance, and AP courses available in high school. I took all of the white kids scholarships, and awards. I made a name for myself in the community. That grudge, and anger I used in school was to humiliate how stupid people are by achieving high grades and winning all their awards (well, alot not all of their awards).

The parents, faculty, students were probably shocked and stunned by my achievements. Yes, these were the people who looked down that all Cambodian are worthless trash. Yes, these people were the people who tell other people that the Cambodians are welfare recipients, eat grasses, retards, filthy, uneducated. Well, that anger in my heart still beats inside me. But, I used it to do my best and to take away all those ignorance away.

Today, the community respects Cambodians more. There's less violence, and vandalism to their property. We get along so many times better now. But, I still have that anger inside me.

[Caladan 19]

As I said I think that interpretation is questionable to say the least. It gives rise to dubious prejudgements - when you have little specific knowledge of the merits of different individuals. If the judgement is that so and so must not be a good doctor because he's black, that's faulty logic.

What a silly argument. You don't need to have specific knowledge of the merits of different individuals -

that's why we have schools/universities and academic degrees. The former are supposed to provide

individuals with a certain standard of excellence in the knowledge, skills and understanding necessary

for practice of their profession; the latter are the passport to a certain kind of public esteem and

recognition - a trademark of sorts.

If someone has a degree from an accredited medical school, you should be able to assume that they

met the school's requirements. However, add affirmative action to the equation and now you

have to consider that the "minority" doctor wasn't held to the same standard getting into med school,

getting through med school, or getting their job at the clinic. They might be just as good a doctor as a

white doctor who has the same qualifications, or they might not. Choosing a white doctor over a minority

doctor is not a racist decision, but it is a discriminatory one directly caused by affirmative action.

Moral of the story: affirmative action creates more discrimination than it eliminates

This isn't true in the least. Affirmative action is emphatically not about hiriing underqualified minorities; it's about hiring qualified minorities who would have been otherwise overlooked due to institutional prejudice. This is especially true in academic admissions, where AA policies amount to about 100 points on the SAT, which is roughly the same bump you'd get from being a legacy, an athlete, someone with an interesting personal history, being a white guy and not an Asian guy (seriously!), being from Texas rather than New York, etc. The claim is ridiculous in the medical context, where so much is decided by undergraduate pedigree, grades, MCAT scores, and an eleven-year-long training process. No one is getting a mercy pass during a 80 hour work-week.

Besides, it's not as if before affirmative action racists went happily to minority doctors. They've just found a dumb excuse for their prejudice.

As far as the New Haven firefighters case goes, the law has a disparate impact test, and the other judges agreed with Sotomayor. The fact that a case goes to the Supreme Court does not mean the judges were bad or out to enslave white folks or whatever, just that the law is unclear. That's why we have a SC.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

AA doesn't simply apply to racial minorities either though - there are equivalent programs for women, the disabled, ex-military types and the poor.

[Caladan 19]

I would expect that we give a hand to talented kids who want to excel but can't afford the cost of tuition. I just don't think we should selectively pick minorities for this special help.

It is scandalous how poverty in this country is almost always associated with people of color in our inner cities, as if the vast swathes of rural poverty - white poverty - doesn't exist.

But is that entirely accurate though - as far as college selections go aren't there AA programs that look specifically at economic means as opposed to race specifically?

Someone who worked in college admissions posted about this a while back - that in areas where schools were generally substandard a person who achieved a B grade at a failing school might be deemed a better student that someone who achieved an A at an expensive public school.

I imagine that there are a lot of factors that go into college selections - and it isn't simply a matter of "we need x numbers of black folk".

Colleges consider lots of things. Especially the elite schools. Somewhere like Yale gets about 20,000 applications a year for 1600 slots. Of those 20,000, about 25% don't have the grades or work to even be considered. That leaves about 15,000 students left, all of whom are academically qualified. (This is why someone might get into Harvard and denied at Yale.)

So, the schools have to make decisions. All of the students at this point would be suitable, and grades are no longer helpful. Universities also want to offer admission to students who will come, because having a high acceptance rate makes them look more prestigious. Legacy students (those whose parents were alumni) are likely to come, and their parents are likely to have money. Athletes bring prestige to the school. Anyone with a remarkable and unique accomplishment (world-class violinist, world-traveled, military service, unique path, etc.) brings prestige to the school. Elite private school grads bring prestige to the school. Universities want to bring as much regional and economic diversity as possible. (Someone from New York who has a 1450 on her SATs will be a marginal case; if that same person is from Arkansas, she'll get in.) They also want to ensure the class is close to a 50/50 gender split. They also want to ensure there is some racial balance, which means keeping the school majority white (even though Asian applicants have better test scores) and ensuring that qualified minority applicants get a fair shake (remember, at this point, the initial cut has already been made.)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The way its been explained to me as far as the UK system goes is that an institution may consider a student with a 'B' Grade from a failing school more likely to be given a place than a person with an 'A' from an expensive private place - the thinking being that they had to work harder (with less) to get that grade.

When I was applying for university (around 1996) we had a points system based on our college A-Level grades that you had to achieve a certain number of points in order to qualify for consideration - it wasn't simply that the person with the most A grades got an automatic pass (even if it worked out that way a lot of the time). If I remember correctly the acceptance range for my course was somewhere between 18 and 24 points (ranging from 2 B's and a C' to 3 A's). A lot depended on the interviews you had at the university.

So someone with 18 points could quite conceivably get a place over someone with 24 or even 30 points. As long as you met the minimum grade requirements you would get in - the grade requirement was only waived if you passed an entrance exam (which is how a lot of mature students get into courses).

[justashooter 430]

Sotomayor ruled against the firefighters, a decision that her colleague and fellow Clinton appointee Judge Jose Cabranes ... denounced as containing "no reference whatsoever to the constitutional issues at the core of this case."

http://reason.com/blog/show/133706.html

it's ok. she's a latina woman, so she's better than white men.

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it's ok. she's a latina woman, so she's better than white men.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sotomayor ruled against the firefighters, a decision that her colleague and fellow Clinton appointee Judge Jose Cabranes ... denounced as containing "no reference whatsoever to the constitutional issues at the core of this case."

http://reason.com/blog/show/133706.html

it's ok. she's a latina woman, so she's better than white men.

[Danno 1,228]

A short history lesson from personal experience...

Back in the 80s when my family first arrived in the US, we lived in a community where there was not many Asians. Well, I remember growing up with children from school (blacks and whites) making fun of how I look, what I eat, and my culture. ...............I took that grudge that I have towards these people by making them stupid and myself smart. I took all the Honors, Advance, and AP courses available in high school. I took all of the white kids scholarships, and awards. I made a name for myself in the community. That grudge, and anger I used in school was to humiliate how stupid people are by achieving high grades and winning all their awards (

Where did you go to school that had scholarships for white kids only?

How did you punish the black kids?

[Danno 1,228]

<<<Kenneth Yusko, a specialist in employment testing, says psychologists aren't sure why certain written tests produce racial disparities in certain job categories, but they do.

"Typically, a written test has a large amount of what we call adverse impact," Yusko says. "It really does reduce diversity.">>>>

Wonder how many hours a teacher would have her job if she were to speak these thoughts out loud.

[Niels Bohr 72]

A short history lesson from personal experience...

Back in the 80s when my family first arrived in the US, we lived in a community where there was not many Asians. Well, I remember growing up with children from school (blacks and whites) making fun of how I look, what I eat, and my culture. ...............I took that grudge that I have towards these people by making them stupid and myself smart. I took all the Honors, Advance, and AP courses available in high school. I took all of the white kids scholarships, and awards. I made a name for myself in the community. That grudge, and anger I used in school was to humiliate how stupid people are by achieving high grades and winning all their awards (

Where did you go to school that had scholarships for white kids only?

How did you punish the black kids?

I think I had a lack of words for it. I took many first place prizes that once belonged to the white community. I didn't really take care of the blacks. The blacks kinda gone with the gangsta flow around here. Not that every black person is bad. The ones around here are pretty much. Geezes, I'm starting to sound a little like VW with that few statements. But, I do know that not all black people are bad.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Ricci, the primary plaintiff has dyslexia and was passed over by this racist #####. He did more with less and it wasn't enough.

In particular, they have seized upon the plight of the case’s plaintiff, Frank Ricci, a dyslexic white firefighter who studied 13 hours a day and even took a second job to pay for someone to record the relevant textbooks to cassette for easier studying. Ricci earned the sixth-highest score on the exam, only to have his results invalidated along with all the other firefighters’.

http://www.campusprogress.org/opinions/408...-what-you-think

[Peikko 1,575]

Blame those who devised the test. It sucks, sure, but if the test is flawed, it's flawed no matter that some nice dyslexic guy got a good grade.