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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The anger should be at the prison service for making "you pay" for it.

The anger is at both places but giving the thief some sort of right by suing and what not will only add to my anger, he has already caused enough grief to society. He made his bed....

So you said.

But the negligence of the prison service caused his disability - therefore they have a responsibility to compensate the man accordingly and to adjust their procedures to ensure it doesn't happen to anyone else.

So what we disagree on is the actions that should be taken with the facility, you say compensate the man along with fixing the problem, I say fix the problem so that it doesnt happen again and make sure its done but it ends there with me. Send a message to criminals, it just doesnt pay. but with your line of logic he can sue and it probably will pay for him, hes probably going to be a rich man at my expense. Explain the justice in that!!!

He can and should sue - its in the interest of the prison service to pay a penalty in order to force through the necessary changes. Without a court case to draw public attention to it - things like this get swept under the rug and nothing gets done.

None of this has anything to do with "crime paying" as much as the prison service operating in a humane manner that befits a supposedly civilized society. Nor does it have anything to do with the man's crime - his punishment was to be jailed, not to be crippled by blatant negligence on the part of the authorities.

He can and shouldnt be able too - In these times we dont need a lawsuit to become aware of such a unusual story

Its worse than you think - the OP article talks about a prisoner rights pressure group and systematic health problems in the prison system resulting from general ignorance or incompetence of health issues by prison authorities.

My contention is that you wouldn't hear about such incidents were it not for the existence of such groups - and that law suits (including class action) are necessary for raising awareness of these issues at the public level.

[_Simpson_ 250]

If the guy isn't allowed to sue - there is no impetus for the prison service to change the procedures that led to what happened to him (and which could happen to others).

Again - your outrage is misdirected. It should be on the prison authorities for putting you in the position of having to foot the bill for their incompetence.

Society already expressed its outrage by sentencing the man to jail for his crime.

Your not paying attention, my solution for change is holding the employees responsible thru wage cuts and firing. You start digging into these employees wallets you will see change, trust me.

Your right I focus more of my anger on Joe the thief because he will sue and be a further burden on society and me. I am not happy with facility either.

Society is further expressing there outrage by letting people know that this thief should not be able to sue, I dont stand alone on this issue by not stretch of the imagination.

[The_Dude 1,142]

If the guy isn't allowed to sue - there is no impetus for the prison service to change the procedures that led to what happened to him (and which could happen to others).

Again - your outrage is misdirected. It should be on the prison authorities for putting you in the position of having to foot the bill for their incompetence.

Society already expressed its outrage by sentencing the man to jail for his crime.

Your not paying attention, my solution for change is holding the employees responsible thru wage cuts and firing. You start digging into these employees wallets you will see change, trust me.

Your right I focus more of my anger on Joe the thief because he will sue and be a further burden on society and me. I am not happy with facility either.

Society is further expressing there outrage by letting people know that this thief should not be able to sue, I dont stand alone on this issue by not stretch of the imagination.

Thats not change, thats a horrible employment policy.

People expressing their outrage? How? Where? Citation please.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the guy isn't allowed to sue - there is no impetus for the prison service to change the procedures that led to what happened to him (and which could happen to others).

Again - your outrage is misdirected. It should be on the prison authorities for putting you in the position of having to foot the bill for their incompetence.

Society already expressed its outrage by sentencing the man to jail for his crime.

Your not paying attention, my solution for change is holding the employees responsible thru wage cuts and firing. You start digging into these employees wallets you will see change, trust me.

Your right I focus more of my anger on Joe the thief because he will sue and be a further burden on society and me. I am not happy with facility either.

Society is further expressing there outrage by letting people know that this thief should not be able to sue, I dont stand alone on this issue by not stretch of the imagination.

I don't think *you* paid attention. As I said - there's no impetus to do any of this if there is no public awareness or outrage about the issue to create the necessary political pressure to do anything about it!

You don't like the idea that a convicted felon should be able to sue for something like this. Well they can. You need to get over your indignation and wrap your head around the reasons why its important.

[_Simpson_ 250]

The anger should be at the prison service for making "you pay" for it.

The anger is at both places but giving the thief some sort of right by suing and what not will only add to my anger, he has already caused enough grief to society. He made his bed....

So you said.

But the negligence of the prison service caused his disability - therefore they have a responsibility to compensate the man accordingly and to adjust their procedures to ensure it doesn't happen to anyone else.

So what we disagree on is the actions that should be taken with the facility, you say compensate the man along with fixing the problem, I say fix the problem so that it doesnt happen again and make sure its done but it ends there with me. Send a message to criminals, it just doesnt pay. but with your line of logic he can sue and it probably will pay for him, hes probably going to be a rich man at my expense. Explain the justice in that!!!

He can and should sue - its in the interest of the prison service to pay a penalty in order to force through the necessary changes. Without a court case to draw public attention to it - things like this get swept under the rug and nothing gets done.

None of this has anything to do with "crime paying" as much as the prison service operating in a humane manner that befits a supposedly civilized society. Nor does it have anything to do with the man's crime - his punishment was to be jailed, not to be crippled by blatant negligence on the part of the authorities.

He can and shouldnt be able too - In these times we dont need a lawsuit to become aware of such a unusual story

Its worse than you think - the OP article talks about a prisoner rights pressure group and systematic health problems in the prison system resulting from general ignorance or incompetence of health issues by prison authorities.

My contention is that you wouldn't hear about such incidents were it not for the existence of such groups - and that law suits (including class action) are necessary for raising awareness of these issues at the public level.

The criminals are suing and yet we still have this problem, plan B!!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Garbage. Its a problem that needs to be addressed - and the only way you raise awareness about issues like this to effect change (especially when it involves people like criminals) is via litigation.

[_Simpson_ 250]

If the guy isn't allowed to sue - there is no impetus for the prison service to change the procedures that led to what happened to him (and which could happen to others).

Again - your outrage is misdirected. It should be on the prison authorities for putting you in the position of having to foot the bill for their incompetence.

Society already expressed its outrage by sentencing the man to jail for his crime.

Your not paying attention, my solution for change is holding the employees responsible thru wage cuts and firing. You start digging into these employees wallets you will see change, trust me.

Your right I focus more of my anger on Joe the thief because he will sue and be a further burden on society and me. I am not happy with facility either.

Society is further expressing there outrage by letting people know that this thief should not be able to sue, I dont stand alone on this issue by not stretch of the imagination.

I don't think *you* paid attention. As I said - there's no impetus to do any of this if there is no public awareness or outrage about the issue to create the necessary political pressure to do anything about it!

You don't like the idea that a convicted felon should be able to sue for something like this. Well they can. You need to get over your indignation and wrap your head around the reasons why its important.

A lawsuit had nothing to do with our awarness of this story, if it was something petty we wouldnt of even heard of it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the guy isn't allowed to sue - there is no impetus for the prison service to change the procedures that led to what happened to him (and which could happen to others).

Again - your outrage is misdirected. It should be on the prison authorities for putting you in the position of having to foot the bill for their incompetence.

Society already expressed its outrage by sentencing the man to jail for his crime.

Your not paying attention, my solution for change is holding the employees responsible thru wage cuts and firing. You start digging into these employees wallets you will see change, trust me.

Your right I focus more of my anger on Joe the thief because he will sue and be a further burden on society and me. I am not happy with facility either.

Society is further expressing there outrage by letting people know that this thief should not be able to sue, I dont stand alone on this issue by not stretch of the imagination.

I don't think *you* paid attention. As I said - there's no impetus to do any of this if there is no public awareness or outrage about the issue to create the necessary political pressure to do anything about it!

You don't like the idea that a convicted felon should be able to sue for something like this. Well they can. You need to get over your indignation and wrap your head around the reasons why its important.

A lawsuit had nothing to do with our awarness of this story, if it was something petty we wouldnt of even heard of it.

Many individuals + many incidents = pressure group

Pressure group + government/prison service (+/- lawsuit) = change

[_Simpson_ 250]

agree to disagree seems to be our only avenue here

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What to disagree with - that dismissing the rights of the individual because you don't like what they've done is somehow OK to do?

[_Simpson_ 250]

What to disagree with - that dismissing the rights of the individual because you don't like what they've done is somehow OK to do?

as a criminal you lose rights and we cant seem to agree on the rights they should have

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What to disagree with - that dismissing the rights of the individual because you don't like what they've done is somehow OK to do?

as a criminal you lose rights and we cant seem to agree on the rights they should have

You do yes. But that doesn't extend to treating those people like garbage, whether intentionally or via negligence.

[_Simpson_ 250]

What to disagree with - that dismissing the rights of the individual because you don't like what they've done is somehow OK to do?

as a criminal you lose rights and we cant seem to agree on the rights they should have

You do yes. But that doesn't extend to treating those people like garbage, whether intentionally or via negligence.

I agree, dont treat them like garbage. People need to be fired, actions need to be taken but a huge lawsuit is in which the thief is rewarded alot of money is not my idea of justice. He put himself in that situaiton thru bad choices he made. His justice will come in the form of that not happening to another inmate in that facility again.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn't matter if its your idea of justice.

Anyone who suffers an injury through the gross negligence of others is entitled to be compensated.

[_Simpson_ 250]

It doesn't matter if its your idea of justice.

Anyone who suffers an injury through the gross negligence of others is entitled to be compensated.

Well of course my idea of justice dosent matter, its not like I think Obama is reading my posts and has been inspired to change the law books. Im just stating how I would like things to be through logic and common sense, thats all.

Compensate him by making sure another man doesnt go thru this, that soundns like justice to me. If only I were king for a day.