Poll: 40% of Israeli Arabs believe Holocaust never happened

[scandal 951]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1086115.html

Last update - 21:01 17/05/2009

Poll: 40% of Israeli Arabs believe Holocaust never happened

By Fadi Eyadat, Haaretz Correspondent

Some 40.5 percent of Israeli Arabs believe the Holocaust never occurred, according to the results of a University of Haifa poll released Sunday.

The survey shows that Holocaust denial among Israeli Arabs has become more prevalent in recent years. In 2006, 28 percent of Israeli Arabs polled denied that the Holocaust occurred.

The annual poll of Jewish-Arab relations, which was conducted by Professor Sami Samuha, also found that only 41 percent of Israel's Arab minority recognize the country's right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state, as opposed to 65.6 percent in 2003.

Moreover, only 53.7 percent of the Israeli Arab public believe Israel has a right to exist just as an independent country, according to the poll, down from 81.1 percent in 2003.

"This radicalization in the positions of Arabs was caused by a series of factors such as the Second Lebanon War, the stalemate in the negotiations with the Palestinians, the failure to implement the conclusions of the Or committee, closing the case against the Border Police troops who shot dead the Israeli Arab protesters in October 2000, and more," Samuha said.

700 Israeli Arab men and women participated in the survey, which will be published in its entirety on Monday.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Well then they are just a bunck of dumb fvcks if they don't believe it.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's one thing to disagree with the current foreign policy of the Israeli government but quite another for that to translate into denial of history. One can only assume that the propagandists use holocaust denial to reduce the claim of Israel to exist?

[Ken y Leidys 20]

It's one thing to disagree with the current foreign policy of the Israeli government but quite another for that to translate into denial of history. One can only assume that the propagandists use holocaust denial to reduce the claim of Israel to exist?

Fortunately, I saw the identifying (blue) tattoos on two separate survivors - one while I was at work, and I know this was never dreamt up.

[Danno 1,228]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1086115.html

Last update - 21:01 17/05/2009

Poll: 40% of Israeli Arabs believe Holocaust never happened

By Fadi Eyadat, Haaretz Correspondent

Some 40.5 percent of Israeli Arabs believe the Holocaust never occurred, according to the results of a University of Haifa poll released Sunday.

The survey shows that Holocaust denial among Israeli Arabs has become more prevalent in recent years. In 2006, 28 percent of Israeli Arabs polled denied that the Holocaust occurred.

The annual poll of Jewish-Arab relations, which was conducted by Professor Sami Samuha, also found that only 41 percent of Israel's Arab minority recognize the country's right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state, as opposed to 65.6 percent in 2003.

Moreover, only 53.7 percent of the Israeli Arab public believe Israel has a right to exist just as an independent country, according to the poll, down from 81.1 percent in 2003.

"This radicalization in the positions of Arabs was caused by a series of factors such as the Second Lebanon War, the stalemate in the negotiations with the Palestinians, the failure to implement the conclusions of the Or committee, closing the case against the Border Police troops who shot dead the Israeli Arab protesters in October 2000, and more," Samuha said.

700 Israeli Arab men and women participated in the survey, which will be published in its entirety on Monday.

Why is this country excused from winds of democratic change?

How long before Europe is Eurabia? If Jews have a "Right" to exist in their own country why can't we get that deal too?

As for the denial of the Holocaust, it might be interesting to hear "how they came to that conclusion"?

What do their history books claim happened during this period... anyone know?

*To often we brand people "Deniers" who don't deny a holocaust took place at all, they simply debate numbers involved.

[Peikko 1,575]

You think it's ok to put the death toll in the thousands when the reality is millions? Denial, that's just a number now?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

If Jews have a "Right" to exist in their own country why can't we get that deal too?

Who is 'we'?

*To often we brand people "Deniers" who don't deny a holocaust took place at all, they simply debate numbers involved.

Yeah, sucks when you get labeled, huh Danno.

[Danno 1,228]

You think it's ok to put the death toll in the thousands when the reality is millions? Denial, that's just a number now?

Don't go gettin emotional on me now. I have no unorthodox opinions concerning the Holocaust.

But it does bother me that anyone who questions a point of history is subject to attack.

[scandal 951]

You think it's ok to put the death toll in the thousands when the reality is millions? Denial, that's just a number now?

Don't go gettin emotional on me now. I have no unorthodox opinions concerning the Holocaust.

But it does bother me that anyone who questions a point of history is subject to attack.

I won't get emotional on you sir.

When people not only question but make outright denials about verified and factual statements of history, they are castigated. As they should be.

[Peikko 1,575]

Is that what you call it? Questioning a 'point in history'? Either it was a genocide and a holocaust, or it was not. The numbers matter.

[Danno 1,228]

If Jews have a "Right" to exist in their own country why can't we get that deal too?

Who is 'we'?

*To often we brand people "Deniers" who don't deny a holocaust took place at all, they simply debate numbers involved.

Yeah, sucks when you get labeled, huh Danno.

Of course "WE" would be every other country.

Labels... that what you do when you got nothing else,

feel free to try to put one on me if it makes you feel like a bigger person.

Care to address my points or is that too much like effort?

[Danno 1,228]

Is that what you call it? Questioning a 'point in history'? Either it was a genocide and a holocaust, or it was not. The numbers matter.

Perhaps we are getting two story lines crossed here.

1. People denying the Holocaust took place as the OP reported.

2. Other people not part of the above story who question if death tolls were as high as first claimed, these people are not automatically "deniers" in my opinion if they have honest factual grounds to base their opinions.

[Peikko 1,575]

They don't. That is the point Danno. This is documented, the numbers are documented. There is no room for speculation beyond whether it was X million and 55 or X million and 500. It was a holocaust and the numbers are millions that's all there is.

Edited May 19, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

They don't. That is the point Danno. This is documented, the numbers are documented. There is no room for speculation beyond whether it was X million and 55 or X million and 500. It was a holocaust and the numbers are millions that's all there is.

You make little Nazi cry. Bad Madame.

[Danno 1,228]

They don't. That is the point Danno. This is documented, the numbers are documented. There is no room for speculation beyond whether it was X million and 55 or X million and 500. It was a holocaust and the numbers are millions that's all there is.

So if someone were to conclude that it were say 4 mil rather than 6 mil. would that person be a denier?