More Americans are Pro-life than Pro-choice.

[endoftheroad 1]

if someone thinks unborn babies

You mean a FETUS

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

"all of the increase in pro-life sentiment is seen among self-identified conservatives and moderates; the abortion views of political liberals have not changed."

end of story

which means who's open minded?

[JimandChristy 1,689]

Title of the topic is misleading, should say "More Republicans..." not "More Americans..."

Regarding my own personal beliefs on abortion, I think the abortion issue isn't black and white here, it all depends on the woman's predicament and circumstances. If the woman in question had become pregnant due to:

1) Incest

2) Rape

3) Failure of Birth Control

4) Not having the means to look after/bring up a baby due to their age, financial position and emotional maturity.

5) Mother's live being at great risk

Then I think the woman in question has a right to determine whether she wants to terminate the pregnancy or not.

Edited May 17, 2009 by JimandChristy

[endoftheroad 1]

"all of the increase in pro-life sentiment is seen among self-identified conservatives and moderates; the abortion views of political liberals have not changed."

end of story

which means who's open minded?

The flip flopping conservatives?

Edited May 17, 2009 by usagroom

[Caladan 19]

What I don't understand is strident pro-lifers who think the death penalty is ok, especially when they use religion as their reason. Life is life. It is not ours to take through abortion, murder, or government-sanctioned murder (i.e. death penalty) so if one is pro-life, then one should be pro-all-life, not just pro-life-when-it's-convenient-for-me.

surely you're not going to try to draw a parallel between a murderer to an unborn baby.

That's one religious position. It doesn't say that unborn babies are guilty or anything, just that intentionally causing death is wrong, whether the person is in utero or behind bars, or elderly, etc. In other words, the argument isn't from what the person deserves, but based on what they are, a human being, who has a right against being killed.

I am pretty sure that the article is questioning self-identified Republicans, who are becoming more pro-life (because the Democrats are capturing more of the center.) Americans tend to support some form of legal access to abortion (roughly on first trimesterish guidelines), and that's been holding around 65% or so for years.

[Nessa 23]

a major stretch of the imagination there. on one hand there's someone who by their own free will committed a crime, was convicted of it, and sentenced by society to death. on the other hand........

nope, still not seeing the similarities.

you obviously didnt understand what she was saying. if someone thinks unborn babies shouldn't be killed for a religious reason, thst reason is because commiting murder is a sin, or something similar. therefore, they should not think it's ok to take anyone elses life, not just of an unborn baby.

you know i'm not overly religious, so religion does not enter the equation when i'm taking a stance on this.

u being religious has nothing to do with whst she was saying, she was talking about religious people views on the subject.

if someone thinks unborn babies

You mean a FETUS

same thing. both have a heartbeat

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

"all of the increase in pro-life sentiment is seen among self-identified conservatives and moderates; the abortion views of political liberals have not changed."

end of story

which means who's open minded?

The flip flopping conservatives?

it sure isn't the dems who see no problem with killing an unborn yet raise cain about a killer being executed.

[britty 1]

i have never seen this issue as black and white. If a pregnancy results from two people having sex, regardless of whether contraception fails, you were drunk, you can't afford a baby etc, then take responsibility and have the child. If you don't want a baby, there are many out there that do. If a pregnancy results through force, then I can understand a woman's need to terminate. That being said, a termination should take place immediately after a pregnancy is confirmed. Aborting late into a pregnancy is inexcusable. For me, that is murder.

[SaadBell 0]

As always the big DOUBLE STANDARD, no abortion, but let’s get busy executing the babies that are now grown who have committed an unforgivable offense, now we can legally murder them and have a nice excuse to give ourselves. If you think abortion is murder but can justify your reason for taking an adult and hooking them up to lethal drugs to be straight up murder them, and call that justice. Hard to understand, either life is scared or not, I love the way we judge who and what will live. Would I want blood if someone hurt my family, of course, is that a healthy way to handle loss, no, but I do understand how someone could want to take a life, if that person had hurt someone close to them. It is just when someone who is pro life who all of a sudden can reason away why it is ok to murder an adult but not a baby, life is life people.

[britty 1]

As always the big DOUBLE STANDARD, no abortion, but let’s get busy executing the babies that are now grown who have committed an unforgivable offense, now we can legally murder them and have a nice excuse to give ourselves. If you think abortion is murder but can justify your reason for taking an adult and hooking them up to lethal drugs to be straight up murder them, and call that justice. Hard to understand, either life is scared or not, I love the way we judge who and what will live. Would I want blood if someone hurt my family, of course, is that a healthy way to handle loss, no, but I do understand how someone could want to take a life, if that person had hurt someone close to them. It is just when someone who is pro life who all of a sudden can reason away why it is ok to murder an adult but not a baby, life is life people.

This isn't a double standard at all. An unborn baby is an innocent being, without the ability to make decisions or be held responsible for actions. If a baby grows up and commits an "unforgiveable offense" as you state, they should be punished. If someone is given a death sentence for their crime, then simply knowing the punishment for commiting that crime should have been a deterrent. People must be held accountable for their actions.

[Danno 1,228]

If the STATS were like 20% and 80% then that is more interesting. However, if the stats are 51% and 42% it's like the same as saying 50-50 chance.

No actually it's a lot different. a lot of laws are passed with much narrower margins than this poll indicates.

In fact using your logic, obama was never elected because it wasn't 80/20.

I think the more interesting story line is; WHY the sudden move toward Pro-life?

I would be interested in any speculation as it baffles me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i hope obama can do something about this once he takes office.

Hey Chuck, you need to pick up a newspaper every once in awhile. He has taken office.

[MrsCat 6]

WHY the sudden move toward Pro-life?

I would be interested in any speculation as it baffles me.

The poll was flawed.

Many religious liberals died off of aids and the swine flu in the past year.

2012 is nearing and people are trying to get on God's good side.

How's that for speculation.

[Niels Bohr 72]

If the STATS were like 20% and 80% then that is more interesting. However, if the stats are 51% and 42% it's like the same as saying 50-50 chance.

No actually it's a lot different. a lot of laws are passed with much narrower margins than this poll indicates.

In fact using your logic, obama was never elected because it wasn't 80/20.

I think the more interesting story line is; WHY the sudden move toward Pro-life?

I would be interested in any speculation as it baffles me.

If you used numbers 42% and 51% in any type of analytic benchmarks, you're better off with half/half. Cultural stats like this is based with high variances which moves them away from the gaussian distribution. If there's a finite number with one succinct choice, then clearly, votes does not fit into the gaussian distribution because it's not based on chance as the case with change with culture.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

WHY the sudden move toward Pro-life?

Better propaganda machine on that front?