Whats wrong with doing business only with Whites (or Blacks)?

[DeadPoolX 9]

This decision makes no sense economically, but there's a larger picture here. This couple has decided to do business with only one group and that, in of itself, is exclusionary. It's not wrong to say that if whites did this, there'd be cries of racism and hell to pay. But since blacks have chosen this route, it's okay. How very racist is that?

[Peikko 1,575]

Of course it's ok, and it's ok whoever chooses to restrict their own choices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. You are free to choose to only buy American goods, that does not necessarily make you a bigot because your choice to do that does not prevent someone else from making a different choice. It has no effect at all. All it does is restrict the choice of those who make these rules for how they shop. Lot of nonsense is what this is.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Of course it's ok, and it's ok whoever chooses to restrict their own choices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. You are free to choose to only buy American goods, that does not necessarily make you a bigot because your choice to do that does not prevent someone else from making a different choice. It has no effect at all. All it does is restrict the choice of those who make these rules for how they shop. Lot of nonsense is what this is.

So you wouldn't consider it racist if an organization run by whites decided to do business with only whites?

[Niels Bohr 72]

The return of segregation. The US granted them the right to blend. But, hey they don't like that right.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

For once, I agree with charles.

oh ... I thought there was an earthquake ...

There is a disturbance in the Force.

did you just fart?

Please let me hide behind my euphemisms.

[Peikko 1,575]

Of course it's ok, and it's ok whoever chooses to restrict their own choices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. You are free to choose to only buy American goods, that does not necessarily make you a bigot because your choice to do that does not prevent someone else from making a different choice. It has no effect at all. All it does is restrict the choice of those who make these rules for how they shop. Lot of nonsense is what this is.

So you wouldn't consider it racist if an organization run by whites decided to do business with only whites?

Organisation? This is about an experiment by individuals to see just how far the influence of a particular group has extended into larger society. What this is not, is an attempt to suppress the influence of another group in the market place. I am quite sure there are individuals who make all kinds of purchasing choices based on all kinds of reasoning that creates an exclusive group. This is fine of course. What would not be fine and I am sure you can appreciate this point, is if the actions of a group marginalise and suppress the actions of another group. Should this be the case then of course that will cause problems. Back to my earlier point, if the group has power/influence beyond outside the simple business transaction and exercises that influence/power to suppress/marginalise then bingo.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Of course it's ok, and it's ok whoever chooses to restrict their own choices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. You are free to choose to only buy American goods, that does not necessarily make you a bigot because your choice to do that does not prevent someone else from making a different choice. It has no effect at all. All it does is restrict the choice of those who make these rules for how they shop. Lot of nonsense is what this is.

So you wouldn't consider it racist if an organization run by whites decided to do business with only whites?

Organisation? This is about an experiment by individuals to see just how far the influence of a particular group has extended into larger society. What this is not, is an attempt to suppress the influence of another group in the market place. I am quite sure there are individuals who make all kinds of purchasing choices based on all kinds of reasoning that creates an exclusive group. This is fine of course. What would not be fine and I am sure you can appreciate this point, is if the actions of a group marginalise and suppress the actions of another group. Should this be the case then of course that will cause problems. Back to my earlier point, if the group has power/influence beyond outside the simple business transaction and exercises that influence/power to suppress/marginalise then bingo.

Hmm... I don't care who I buy from. My decisions revolve around price, if I really need it and the quality of whatever item I'm looking to buy.

And for the record, this isn't about people making covert choices based on race. This is a very public choice to discriminate against a group. Yet somehow this is considered okay, whereas it would be a disaster if the situation were reversed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This decision makes no sense economically, but there's a larger picture here. This couple has decided to do business with only one group and that, in of itself, is exclusionary. It's not wrong to say that if whites did this, there'd be cries of racism and hell to pay. But since blacks have chosen this route, it's okay. How very racist is that?

I'm sorry - but that's just silly. One crazy couple - doesn't equate to a flood of people, nor does it imply anything beyond the fact that these individuals are rather a bit eccentric. I don't get why there is this need to inflate stories like this to justify "well if so and so did it, there would be outrage".

Not only is that ridiculous - but it just isn't true and ignores the fact that there are a lot of people (of all backgrounds) who do some very strange things and hold some very strange attitudes. That is a fact of life - just because someone writes an article about two such people means nothing in the overall scheme of things.

[DeadPoolX 9]

This decision makes no sense economically, but there's a larger picture here. This couple has decided to do business with only one group and that, in of itself, is exclusionary. It's not wrong to say that if whites did this, there'd be cries of racism and hell to pay. But since blacks have chosen this route, it's okay. How very racist is that?

I'm sorry - but that's just silly. One crazy couple - doesn't equate to a flood of people, nor does it imply anything beyond the fact that these individuals are rather a bit eccentric. I don't get why there is this need to inflate stories like this to justify "well if so and so did it, there would be outrage".

Not only is that ridiculous - but it just isn't true and ignores the fact that there are a lot of people (of all backgrounds) who do some very strange things and hold some very strange attitudes. That is a fact of life - just because someone writes an article about two such people means nothing in the overall scheme of things.

Oh really? May I direct you to your comments HERE?

[mawilson 2,133]

This decision makes no sense economically, but there's a larger picture here. This couple has decided to do business with only one group and that, in of itself, is exclusionary. It's not wrong to say that if whites did this, there'd be cries of racism and hell to pay. But since blacks have chosen this route, it's okay. How very racist is that?

I'm sorry - but that's just silly. One crazy couple - doesn't equate to a flood of people, nor does it imply anything beyond the fact that these individuals are rather a bit eccentric. I don't get why there is this need to inflate stories like this to justify "well if so and so did it, there would be outrage".

So if only one white couple did this, it would be "eccentric", not racist?

[Caladan 19]

This decision makes no sense economically, but there's a larger picture here. This couple has decided to do business with only one group and that, in of itself, is exclusionary. It's not wrong to say that if whites did this, there'd be cries of racism and hell to pay. But since blacks have chosen this route, it's okay. How very racist is that?

There are some differences, of course, given the history of racism in this country and the relative percentages of each ethnic group in the country, which is why these analogies never make sense. And of course, there's a difference between government-enforced segregation and a couple deciding where to shop. Attitude is also important. There's a difference between "I won't shop at that store because I don't like black people" and "I'm trying to support black small business owners by going out of my way to shop at their stores."

I think what this couple is doing is likely to be counterproductive in the long run, but the only reason it's newsworthy is that they're traveling significantly and going out of their way to do so. No one does a news article on my mother, who (unknowingly) shops at places only owned by white people just because that's what happens to be around in our hometown. Or flips out about the existence of Chinatown. Or gets mad at VJers when they ask where the ethnic markets are so they can get familiar foods for their new immigrant spouse, etc.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

And for the record, this isn't about people making covert choices based on race. This is a very public choice to discriminate against a group. Yet somehow this is considered okay, whereas it would be a disaster if the situation were reversed.

Why do some business owners put the Christian 'fish symbol' on their business cards? Or when Focus on the Family tells Christians to boycott Ford Motor Company for advertising in a gay magazine? Things like this go on all the time. I know that Filipinos will tend to patronize businesses that they know are run by other Filipinos. Drive over to Korea Town, or Little Tokyo, Little Saigon, Chinatown.

[DeadPoolX 9]

You guys are missing the point here.

This isn't about someone choosing to do business with their own race, religion or culture. This is about business owners restricting business to one group.

There's a huge difference between the two.

[Peikko 1,575]

Of course it's ok, and it's ok whoever chooses to restrict their own choices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. You are free to choose to only buy American goods, that does not necessarily make you a bigot because your choice to do that does not prevent someone else from making a different choice. It has no effect at all. All it does is restrict the choice of those who make these rules for how they shop. Lot of nonsense is what this is.

So you wouldn't consider it racist if an organization run by whites decided to do business with only whites?

Organisation? This is about an experiment by individuals to see just how far the influence of a particular group has extended into larger society. What this is not, is an attempt to suppress the influence of another group in the market place. I am quite sure there are individuals who make all kinds of purchasing choices based on all kinds of reasoning that creates an exclusive group. This is fine of course. What would not be fine and I am sure you can appreciate this point, is if the actions of a group marginalise and suppress the actions of another group. Should this be the case then of course that will cause problems. Back to my earlier point, if the group has power/influence beyond outside the simple business transaction and exercises that influence/power to suppress/marginalise then bingo.

Hmm... I don't care who I buy from. My decisions revolve around price, if I really need it and the quality of whatever item I'm looking to buy.

And for the record, this isn't about people making covert choices based on race. This is a very public choice to discriminate against a group. Yet somehow this is considered okay, whereas it would be a disaster if the situation were reversed.

No, it's not about discriminating against a group, it is about making a positive decision to favour a group. would you consider a person who chose to only by American bigoted?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course it's ok, and it's ok whoever chooses to restrict their own choices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. You are free to choose to only buy American goods, that does not necessarily make you a bigot because your choice to do that does not prevent someone else from making a different choice. It has no effect at all. All it does is restrict the choice of those who make these rules for how they shop. Lot of nonsense is what this is.

So you wouldn't consider it racist if an organization run by whites decided to do business with only whites?

Organisation? This is about an experiment by individuals to see just how far the influence of a particular group has extended into larger society. What this is not, is an attempt to suppress the influence of another group in the market place. I am quite sure there are individuals who make all kinds of purchasing choices based on all kinds of reasoning that creates an exclusive group. This is fine of course. What would not be fine and I am sure you can appreciate this point, is if the actions of a group marginalise and suppress the actions of another group. Should this be the case then of course that will cause problems. Back to my earlier point, if the group has power/influence beyond outside the simple business transaction and exercises that influence/power to suppress/marginalise then bingo.

From what I understand - the premise behind what this couple is doing is that chain stores and the like are run by "the man" and they feel that they should only patronise businesses run and owned by "their people". Its definitely strange - but then again I'm not one of those people who insists on (for example) only buying organic produce.

Nor do I much care which filling station I take my car too...

That aside though, I think the idea about how I'm not sure I understand how this idea about how Whites would only do business with whites. How exactly would someone do that - presumably it means that they wouldn't 14 miles to buy groceries at a locally owned grocery store, rather than their local chain supermarket. I know I don't get my haircut at the place closest to where I live because it caters almost exclusively to people who have afro hair types.