hubby called USCIS

[Yodrak 7]

godsavethequeen,

Actually I'm using the Merriam-Webster understanding of atheism. And the greek definition 'godless' works as well for today's monotheistic religions, or polytheistic religions (if there are any, there may be) as it did for their polytheism. The ancient Greeks simply had more gods for an atheist to not believe in.

No comment on pagans except to say that whether they're considered religious or not, if they don't believe in a deity then they are - 'by definition' - atheists.

I agree that language does evolve. When you publish a dictionary and it gains wide or critical (I'll accept either) acceptance let me know and I'll start using it.

Yodrak

...

....and you are surely using a Judeo-Christian-Muslim understanding of atheism. The greeks had many god/esses and no concept of one god, so the Greek definition is somewhat out of date?

We have pagans in the UK as I'm sure there are the world over but as they follow religious principles too they, in my humble opinion, can not be described as atheists either. Atheist are anti religion.

As with religious principles words evolve and change meanings. .... like life evolves, crawling out of the primordial soup from the formation of the planets from the big bang.

Edited June 30, 2006 by Yodrak

[godsavethequeen 0]

OK yodrak,

what is the correct word for the non belief in any religion, pagan or not?? Help needed.

polytheistic religions = hinduism, shintuism

Edited June 30, 2006 by godsavethequeen

[godsavethequeen 0]

I used cut and paste. cuz I am stoopid...

Antireligion is opposition to all religions. People who are antireligious may see religions as dangerous, destructive, divisive, foolish, or absurd. This opposition may be confined to just organized religions such as Christianity, Islam, or Scientology, or may be more general to include all forms of belief and superstition. For this reason people who are antireligious may not always be lacking in spirituality.

Antireligion is often based on rationality, such as arguments against the validity, usefulness, or ethicality of religion. Antireligious activity has ranged from criticizing and arguing against religion, to actively persecuting religious groups or outlawing religious practice.

[Yodrak 7]

godsavethequeen,

Past time to start a new thread in Off Topic? I'll look for you there.

Yodrak

Edited June 30, 2006 by Yodrak

[babybunny 2]

Sorry you're in a foul mood, godsavethequeen. Better to be kind to yourself. The turkey reference (intended to be humourous) was for desperatewife, who'd hoped to have her husband back for Thanksgiving. Lighten up. We're all trying to support one another during a difficult time. After all, what's the alternative?

..........be kind yourself bunny ears!! Thanksgiving?? The celebration of the genocide of the indigenous population of the Americas!! Very amusing. They gave food and help we gave Small Pox and War. Fair swap ehh?

godsavethequeen, the fascist regime, made you a moron,

let me see. this is a USA immigration thead alot of US on here must be a moron because, we

celebrate USA holidays. next time you call anyone a moron look at your self and you will find

1 finger pointing right back at you!

There's no sense being mad about what we can't control. We have to be like Buddhists and have no expectations, which are the source of disappointment and misery. We can look at the silver lining, which is this: I married a great guy who loves me, we're on the visa train, and there will be a point at which we're together again, and turkeys can stay frozen for months.

JUST A SMALL POINT.

GREAT IDEA TO JUXTAPOSE BUDDISM AND FROZEN TURKEY.

-LAST I HEARD BUDDISTS DON'T EAT MEAT!!

AND THAT TURKEY CAN TURN BAD AND DISEASED EVEN IF FROZEN. NOTHING REALLY LAST FOREVER JERSEY.........

You actually just touched upon one of the key points of Buddhist philosophy....The reality that nothing lasts forever. Your body will eventually fade, your mind will wither, and yes your marriage in one way or another will come to an end. It is undeniable, and though it might be against our natural tendency in western culture, there is simply nothing we can do to prevent that. Suffering, loss and pain are all parts of our human existence. We can either accept it and find peace with knowing what is reality, or we can agitate ourselves and exhaust energy in an attempt to prevent the unpreventable. When we become aware of the true nature of things, it is actually much easier to be happy because our minds have accepted what is and have ceased in seeking after things that are not true.

Now I think the point that Jersey Girl is trying to make here is related to the same. Each person here WILL be apart from their loved one for a period ranging anywhere from 6-12 months. You WILL spend time and money in an attempt to get them to live with you in this country. There is simply no getting around this as it is reality. Yes there are times to be inquisitive and even vigilant with people in order to obtain information that is necessary to bring your loved one over here, but ultimately it is only to make sure that that wait goes as smoothly as possible...

I

But I'm an Atheist. and a vegetarian

&

that sanctamonious wabbit.... Where's Elmer Fudd when you need him?

why have GOd save the queen on your ID

so you can mock god or the queen?

watch out before a bolt of lighting zap your azz.

or maybe the queen might tap you in the azz , with her car on the way to get a new hat!

I used cut and paste. cuz I am stoopid...

we know you are, could not have said it better myself!

[godsavethequeen 0]

It is a song, very popular in the UK. We kind of call it our national anthem. do your research before asuming I was insulting anyone please. over to the Sex Pistols..........

God save the queen her fascist regime

It made you a moron a potential h bomb !

God save the queen she aint no human being

There is no future in englands dreaming

Dont be told what you want dont be told what you need

Theres no future no future no future for you

God save the queen we mean it man (God save window leen)

We love our queen God saves (God save... human beings)

God save the queen cos tourists are money

And our figurehead is not what she seems

Oh God save history God save your mad parade

Oh lord God have mercy all crimes are paid

When theres no future how can there be sin

Were the flowers in the dustbin

Were the poison in your human machine

Were the future your future

God save the queen we mean it man

There is no future in englands dreaming

No future for you no future for me

No future no future for you

Edited June 30, 2006 by godsavethequeen

[babybunny 2]

It is a song, very popular in the UK. We kind of call it our national anthem. do your research before asuming I was insulting anyone please. over to the Sex Pistols..........

God save the queen her fascist regime

It made you a moron a potential h bomb !

God save the queen she aint no human being

There is no future in englands dreaming

Dont be told what you want dont be told what you need

Theres no future no future no future for you

God save the queen we mean it man (God save window leen)

We love our queen God saves (God save... human beings)

God save the queen cos tourists are money

And our figurehead is not what she seems

Oh God save history God save your mad parade

Oh lord God have mercy all crimes are paid

When theres no future how can there be sin

Were the flowers in the dustbin

Were the poison in your human machine

Were the future your future

God save the queen we mean it man

There is no future in englands dreaming

No future for you no future for me

No future no future for you

why immigrate here if your so dayum bitter?

[godsavethequeen 0]

Bitter?? Where did that come from??

I'm quite sweet in actual fact, most the time.....

[babybunny 2]

Bitter?? Where did that come from??

I'm quite sweet in actual fact, most the time.....

you said sweet. that is funny..

thats the the joke of the day.

[godsavethequeen 0]

Sallam Wa La Kum

[Isabel 0]

Errrrrrrrmmm

Ever thought about to switch your tiny little competition in the OFF TOPIC forum

Edited July 1, 2006 by Isabel

[Fandango 1,439]

It is a song, very popular in the UK. We kind of call it our national anthem. do your research before asuming

Hrmm, I thought Gstq WAS the national anthem

Oh, and what has America done for the Native Americans? hrmmm....ask yourself that the next time you're buying tax free cigs on their land, or playing in their casinos when other gambling is illegal in your state....

[Jersey Girl 2]

Suffering, loss and pain are all parts of our human existence. We can either accept it and find peace with knowing what is reality, or we can agitate ourselves and exhaust energy in an attempt to prevent the unpreventable. When we become aware of the true nature of things, it is actually much easier to be happy because our minds have accepted what is and have ceased in seeking after things that are not true.

Libersolis, I enjoyed re-reading your post, because after all the "dialogue" on the tenents of Buddism, you pointed to a truth about the visa process: the government is not obliged to issue visas simply because we married foreign folks.

This is the root of much frustration for couples here and their families. There's an underlying expectation that marriage automatically gives you a free pass, and tout suite! It doesn't. And why should it, since roughly half of marriages fail?

Beyond providing the facts, this site offers something equally valuable: support from others in the same boat. We all need hand holding at times to remind us to be patient, flexible, and somewhat detatched. It's the best way to survive a process that's uncertain at times but often happy at the end.

We help one another make the choice about how we want to emerge from all this : an intact personality who's good to be around? Or a bitter, argumentative grump, incapable of enjoying their own life?

[babybunny 2]

Suffering, loss and pain are all parts of our human existence. We can either accept it and find peace with knowing what is reality, or we can agitate ourselves and exhaust energy in an attempt to prevent the unpreventable. When we become aware of the true nature of things, it is actually much easier to be happy because our minds have accepted what is and have ceased in seeking after things that are not true.

Libersolis, I enjoyed re-reading your post, because after all the "dialogue" on the tenents of Buddism, you pointed to a truth about the visa process: the government is not obliged to issue visas simply because we married foreign folks.

This is the root of much frustration for couples here and their families. There's an underlying expectation that marriage automatically gives you a free pass, and tout suite! It doesn't. And why should it, since roughly half of marriages fail?

Beyond providing the facts, this site offers something equally valuable: support from others in the same boat. We all need hand holding at times to remind us to be patient, flexible, and somewhat detatched. It's the best way to survive a process that's uncertain at times but often happy at the end.

We help one another make the choice about how we want to emerge from all this : an intact personality who's good to be around? Or a bitter, argumentative grump, incapable of enjoying their own life?

the G W. ment needs to draw a line some place. the wait is too hellish and too long. I know people waiting alot longer than my 1 1/2 years part in hell. there is a lady waiting 12 years and she has a daughter that is about 12 and dont know her daddy because of this #######.

[hafiz 1]

We all need hand holding at times to remind us to be patient, flexible, and somewhat detatched

Who will hold my hand? hey

12 years, thats absurd